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Joseph Mifsud and the Manufacture of Predication

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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-06 08:00:14
September 06 2020 06:58 GMT
#1
Figured I wouldn’t put this in the politics thread since it’s been discussed before and it’s a bit of a one-off topic.

Joseph Mifsud's interactions with George Papadapolous are central to the predication behind the Trump Russia investigation. They became the official predicate relied on by the FBI to launch Crossfire Hurricane. (Mueller Report, p. 89, footnote 465.) The launch of CH was key to the overall investigation, because CH was the formal investigation that followed initial lower-level investigative steps such as the use of informants. The opening of a formal investigation gave the FBI access to such investigative devices as FISA surveillance (which they proceeded to use against Carter Page).

Mifsud’s centrality to CH means that if he was an asset being run by the FBI or intelligence, serious questions are raised about the predicate behind the Trump Russia investigation, and frankly, serious questions are raised about how the entire investigation was conducted. And the evidence suggests that Mifsud was being run on the Western rather than Russian side.

Open source research that has been conducted strongly suggests that Mifsud was closely associated with Western intelligence agencies. The research demonstrates that he was employed with organizations that worked with Western intelligence and law enforcement agencies. This includes the London Center for International Law Practice (LCILP) (which coincidentally is where GP worked prior to and during the time he worked for the Trump campaign). He was also part owner of a university in Rome called Link Campus. This university held training sessions and other events with Western intelligence agencies.

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Yes, Mifsud had “connections” to Russia, in the sense that he sought to build partnerships between universities. There’s no indication that Mifsud had connections to Russian intelligence, though, whereas there are plenty of indications he had connections to Western intelligence.

So what would it mean if, when Mifsud was interacting with GP, Mifsud was an asset being run by the FBI or intelligence, in the same vein as other informants they used such as Stefan Halper? It would mean that the official predicate for the Trump Russia investigation was likely nothing more than the product of a sting operation. Such a sting operation would fit into a long pattern of manufactured developments in the collusion investigation.

What did Obama know, and when did he know it?

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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
September 06 2020 19:47 GMT
#2
While it's certainly an interesting topic and a mystery, I can't help but feel a certain sense of futility in discussing it. Anyone who can be convinced has been long ago, and the ones who can't aren't interested in proof or facts. It's also apparent that nobody important will be held liable criminally or politically.

Moreover, I don't think forums are a great place for discussion because there's just so many ways to weasel out of confronting arguments and facts you don't want to.

Thanks for the information though, it was a fascinating read.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-07 01:21:33
September 07 2020 01:17 GMT
#3
On September 07 2020 04:47 Jerubaal wrote:
While it's certainly an interesting topic and a mystery, I can't help but feel a certain sense of futility in discussing it. Anyone who can be convinced has been long ago, and the ones who can't aren't interested in proof or facts. It's also apparent that nobody important will be held liable criminally or politically.

Moreover, I don't think forums are a great place for discussion because there's just so many ways to weasel out of confronting arguments and facts you don't want to.

Thanks for the information though, it was a fascinating read.


Another very interesting detail is that Mifsud’s lawyer, Stephan Roh, claims that Mifsud was working for western intel. In my mind, the writing is on the wall, they ran a sting to gin up an investigation. That is really what was behind the hysteria that lasted 3+ years.

I'll be very interested to see whether Durham makes a determination one way or the other. Apparently he is in the possession of sworn deposition testimony from mifsud.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 08 2020 14:53 GMT
#4
The Durham investigation hopefully will shed more light on the origin of the investigation. Mifsud, Halper, Papadopoulis, Steele-Fusion GPS as far as people/orgs that still raise questions.

Then all the DoJ/FBI side interactions like Strzok, Clinesmith (+1 nearby to him), Orr, McCabe, and Comey.

I don’t even care if some of these covered their asses well enough to avoid criminal charges. I just want the full story told. No incoming administration of either party should go through this. The intelligence community comprise inferior departments to the Presidency, not a detached check on its power through machinations and investigations and foreign spies.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 11 2020 15:38 GMT
#5
Mueller's investigators just admitted to wiping out the data of over a dozen phones. Andrew Weissman, the Mueller bulldog, says he accidentally did it twice with too many failed passwords.

Accidentally. Twice.

Reminiscent of the Watergate affair: both spying on campaigns by federal departments, and possible/probable cover-up afterwards. It galls me that the principal actors may get away with this.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-11 20:03:20
September 11 2020 20:01 GMT
#6
On September 12 2020 00:38 Danglars wrote:
Mueller's investigators just admitted to wiping out the data of over a dozen phones. Andrew Weissman, the Mueller bulldog, says he accidentally did it twice with too many failed passwords.

Accidentally. Twice.

Reminiscent of the Watergate affair: both spying on campaigns by federal departments, and possible/probable cover-up afterwards. It galls me that the principal actors may get away with this.


Yeah I'm not sure what the requirements are for them to retain records but it seems like somewhat of an accomplishment to get your phone wiped by this method:



Although maybe they found it easier to wipe their phone and reset the password themselves rather than call IT or whatever. Thing is this is the phone they use on a daily basis...its not the type of passcode you forget. So yeah thats pretty suspect. There is also strong circumstantial evidence that the mueller team used media contacts and leak tactics in order to sustain and "substantiate" their investigation and put pressure on defendants, so you have to wonder whether evidence of media contact was deleted.

Lindsey Graham has predicted a big story "in 10-12 days" so we'll see what comes of that.
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
September 13 2020 23:48 GMT
#7
On September 12 2020 00:38 Danglars wrote:
Mueller's investigators just admitted to wiping out the data of over a dozen phones. Andrew Weissman, the Mueller bulldog, says he accidentally did it twice with too many failed passwords.

Accidentally. Twice.

Reminiscent of the Watergate affair: both spying on campaigns by federal departments, and possible/probable cover-up afterwards. It galls me that the principal actors may get away with this.


A few months ago, doing some casual research, I discovered that one of the major players of Watergate was a CIA guy who was the one who stole Barry Goldwater's speeches for LBJ.

Rules for thee, but not for me, indeed.

It actually wouldn't surprise me if CIA/FBI offered to do illegal things for presidents to later hold as leverage.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 07 2020 22:31 GMT
#8


New big trove of documents were released. 1000+ from Director of National Intelligence Radcliffe to Durham & the Department of Justice.



We may still get something important out before Biden potentially takes over and ends investigations in progress. Biden is recorded on documents to be the one bringing up the Logan Act as something to use against Flynn.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
October 09 2020 20:26 GMT
#9
On October 08 2020 07:31 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1313941064517062657

New big trove of documents were released. 1000+ from Director of National Intelligence Radcliffe to Durham & the Department of Justice.

https://twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status/1313945797612974090

We may still get something important out before Biden potentially takes over and ends investigations in progress. Biden is recorded on documents to be the one bringing up the Logan Act as something to use against Flynn.


Yeah the case against flynn was not well-founded to say the least. They had it in for him.

Hopefully Durham is well aware that biden and the media are eager to paint his investigation as political and shut him down. Hope his team is burning the midnight oil.

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