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[Star Wars Ep. 8] My reactions/review *spoilers*

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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-16 16:25:04
December 15 2017 10:02 GMT
#1
Summary: While a step up from Episode 7 in all areas, Episode 8 suffers from many of the same problems, notably: weak character building, lots of recycled plot points, and disappointing plot advancement. Not a bad movie on its own, but when taken in context as step two of a new trilogy it feels weak and doesn't leave me optimistic for Ep. 9 It continues the Disney trend of providing awesome and gorgeous action sequences (arguably over the top in some areas) while also including plenty of lighthearted humorous moments. However it just doesn't have the same staying power of the original trilogy, and even lacks many of the outstanding individual character performances of the prequels, leaving it overall feeling like its predecessor, a safe bet catered to casual fan service.

Video Review: + Show Spoiler +


Written Review continued: + Show Spoiler +
Ok, with that out of the way let me get into some more detail.

1. I did not like Episode 7. Every time I rewatch it I become more and more displeased with it, the obvious rehashing of the story of the original Star Wars is noticeable to even casual fans, however even in the midst of rehashing the original series there were still opportunities to create fresh and original appeal. Episode 7 played it safe in this regard in every meaningful area. Episode 8 carries much of the same feel unfortunately. Throughout the majority of the movie I felt like I was watching a mishmash of Empire Strikes Back (Force training montage, the battle of hoth) and Return of the Jedi (the conflict of Kylo Ren, Kylo Ren's betrayal, the showdown in the throne room, the Millenium Falcon dodging TIE fighters in narrow corridors whilst damaging itself, rampaging a crime syndicate recreational area, a comandeered AT-ST rescuing two main characters etc.)

2. Very little of the overall plot of the movie felt in any way unique and original, however there were some areas that I felt were done well.

Luke Skywalker's moral diliemma regarding the Jedi and their hubris I thought was a very well done moment, it speaks very strongly to the fundamental ambiguity that exists in a "balanced" force, this same grey area between good and evil is explored later with Benicio Del Toro's character (did anyone remember his name?) as the mercenary that doesn't pick sides. This kind of moral ambiguity provided long time Star Wars fans a bit of a true salute as the nature of Jedi principles has been long debated even as far back as the original trilogy.

In general, I felt that Mark Hamill's performance was the best in the movie, and yet his character received an almost criminal amount of screen time, and nearly all of that was done in sulking silence. At least this movie remains canon with George Lucas' Extended Universe decree regarding the fate of Luke.

3. The Supreme Leader Snoke has always bothered me from the moment he first appeared on screen. While Emperor Shiv Palpatine later got 3 additional movies to explain his backstory, his original implementation was done in a far better way than Snoke's was. We never saw him in the original movie, he was barely a foot note in the second movie, it wasn't until the third that he REALLY became a true villain. The anticipation and build up to his eventual confrontation with Luke was everything that Snoke's confrontation with Rey wasn't. At no point in the scenes with Snoke did I ever think that Ren was not going to kill him, which is made even more disappointing with the over display of force power he showed during the encounter. (really, he can read minds while simultaneously suspending someone in the air?)

Disregarding the fact that no one who has only watched the movies has ANY IDEA where Snoke came from, or why he is so powerful with the Dark Side despite not being a Sith, even what we do know about the character is never followed up on. He simply is made to exist in order to kind of advance the conflict plot of Kylo Ren. To me, that is very weak storytelling, especially when it concerns a primary antagonist.

4. I can't believe I'm saying this, but we hardly saw any settings in this movie. Virtually the entire movie took place in 3 settings. 1. Starships, 2. The Jedi Temple Island 3. The final rebel base battle. The scenes in the casino were cute, but didn't advance the story AT ALL, they were merely footnotes and eye candy for people watching the movie in 3D (I almost got dizzy with all of the cheesy coins flying everywhere during those scenes.)

Rogue One, arguably used too many settings, but this movie ties a franchise low for locales in the saga matched only by the original 1970 Star Wars. I don't know about anyone else but I find that point very disappointing.

5. Try as I might, I still cannot find any character from the new trilogy that I find engaging or interesting. The most interesting character in this whole trilogy so far to me is Poe Dameron because he's a reckless ace pilot who has good intentions but gets people killed with his recklessness. That one sentence contains more character depth than any other new character in the saga, and that bothers me. Rey still feels like a bland protagonist who has outrageous powers and abilities without any explanation for how she has them or how she can control them, Kylo Ren continues to be an Anakin Skywalker clone with even less charm, and Finn well... Finn just whines too much.

6. What that hell was THIS moment? + Show Spoiler +




Summary 2: For those that read the Spoiler section, these are my final thoughts.

The cameos and guest stars stole the show in this movie. Not because they were particulary outstanding performances, but just because of how weak the rest of the movie felt. There were plenty of popcorn fun moments in the movie, but very little that I feel will stand up well in the long term saga of Star Wars lore.

Even the prequels had more to offer than these two movies have had so far. While the prequels introduced us to lore regarding the Jedi, the Sith, the Republic and the nature of the Force. These new movies offer nothing else other than fun jokes, action sequences (SHORT action sequences) and rehashed plot points.

Most long time Star Wars fans hold the prequels in very low esteem, and mostly for very justifiable reasons. So far, this new trilogy is weaker than the prequels are, and I cannot expect Episode 9 to be good enough at this point to change my feelings about that.

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vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
December 15 2017 15:16 GMT
#2
Crazy to think that critics loved this movie but the general audience was displeased with it. Why can't franchises just come up with new ideas instead of putting a new coat on old ones?
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ASoo
Profile Joined November 2010
2865 Posts
December 15 2017 20:23 GMT
#3
Yep.

I basically wish Finn and Rose's entire arc had been cut in favor of more time with Luke and Rey, giving Mark Hamill more screen time, allowing Rey to have some character depth, and giving her an excuse to be a competent Force user at the end of the movie.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
December 15 2017 22:12 GMT
#4
On December 16 2017 00:16 vult wrote:
Crazy to think that critics loved this movie but the general audience was displeased with it. Why can't franchises just come up with new ideas instead of putting a new coat on old ones?

Personally I wouldn't say it was derivative; there were similarities but the story was definitely not Ep 5 redux. The bigger issue was just that the whole thing was terribly convoluted, as if the writers of Final Fantasy plots made this movie. Critics generally acknowledged that fault but thought the movie was still pretty good. I kind of agree with that assessment.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3265 Posts
December 16 2017 02:25 GMT
#5
On December 16 2017 00:16 vult wrote:
Crazy to think that critics loved this movie but the general audience was displeased with it. Why can't franchises just come up with new ideas instead of putting a new coat on old ones?

Because the majority of the fanbase usually doesn't want new ideas. TFA had 88% positive user reviews, phantom menace 59% on rotten tomatoes (55 and 65 for episode 2 and 3 respectively). People who thought that the prequels were better movies represent a very small minority.

Personally I think phantom menace got a lot more flag than it deserved and is a much better movie than episode 2 f.e., but I don't have a problem with TFA either.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
December 16 2017 02:35 GMT
#6
No, Phantom Menace deserves endless flak. It really just didn't have much going for it. It shit on the lore in a huge way, the characters it introduced were either bland or dead by the end (I guess Palpatine and Obi-Wan could be excepted from this), and the plot points just didn't really work in the slightest. I could watch it through without complaining because it is still somewhat entertaining despite its flaws but holy shit no, from a critical perspective it was an irredeemable mess.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
December 16 2017 03:28 GMT
#7
Full video review, because I can't let this go. https://youtu.be/GvaTVPqyMnE
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Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3265 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-16 03:59:30
December 16 2017 03:58 GMT
#8
On December 16 2017 11:35 LegalLord wrote:
No, Phantom Menace deserves endless flak. It really just didn't have much going for it. It shit on the lore in a huge way, the characters it introduced were either bland or dead by the end (I guess Palpatine and Obi-Wan could be excepted from this), and the plot points just didn't really work in the slightest. I could watch it through without complaining because it is still somewhat entertaining despite its flaws but holy shit no, from a critical perspective it was an irredeemable mess.

It pretty much reinvented the entire universe before the empire and built up the plot and main cast for the later episodes. I'm not saying Ep1 didn't have major flaws, the entire Anakin plotline is completely unbelievable and badly acted, Jar-Jar's comedy-stunts target 5 year olds, some lines are really badly written and I agree that most characters are a bit plain/generic.

But it's also brave to make a movie so remote from the originals and the main plot of the prequels is much more interesting and complex than the one from the old ones.

Also Episode 6 isn't a good movie plot-wise either and episode 4's plot is very plain. Luke Skywalker is a generic plain main, episode 1 has more worldbuilding than episode 4-6 combined and some things in the old episodes are completely unbelievable as well (f.e. Ewoks and the death-star-reactor).

People somehow expect star wars to deliver a great plot, when the movies main draw was that they created an entertaining crossover of sci fi and fantasy with likeable characters.
low gravity, yes-yes!
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
December 16 2017 05:23 GMT
#9
Made by Disney... enough said.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
December 16 2017 16:00 GMT
#10
On December 16 2017 14:23 Starlightsun wrote:
Made by Disney... enough said.


Rogue One was awesome, and Star Wars Rebels is great.

Disney so far has only really failed in my opinion in the new trilogy, which begs the question: why are they even bothering with the post-RoTJ time period?

Their audience would be just as receptive to other time periods with brand new characters that don't borrow/steal from the original trilogy.
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