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On January 28 2013 05:04 SlayerS_BoxxY wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2013 04:56 iamho wrote:
I usually avoid getting involved in Internet discussions about race, because it always turns into semantics arguments with how people define "racism." I will say though that it is a bit silly to just assume that black people are better at running due to genetics. It probably has to do more with the fact that African and Caribbean countries tend to care more about the sport. For the opposite reason, there's very few top black athletes in sports like high jump and hockey, despite the fact that they reward skills that African athletes stereotypically have. It bothers me when random white Westerners on the Internet make these huge generalizations about race, and dismiss anyone who disagrees as politically correct or oversensitive. When in reality the truth about racial genetic disparities is that it is very hard to distinguish. This is spot on. We do NOT have an understanding of human genetics sufficient enough to make claims about one ethnic groups relative potential in any area. So to invoke these ideas may not in itself be racist, but it is an invocation of a gross generalization, indicative of stereotyping, which MAY or may not be a symptom of racist thought on the part of the manga writer.
I agree with these posts. It also explains why there are more highly skilled koreans than non koreans at starcraft or why there aer so many highly skilled canadians in hockey vs other countries or why there are so many jacked iranians in weight lifting. Its in their culture to care more.
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On January 28 2013 05:04 SlayerS_BoxxY wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2013 04:56 iamho wrote:
I usually avoid getting involved in Internet discussions about race, because it always turns into semantics arguments with how people define "racism." I will say though that it is a bit silly to just assume that black people are better at running due to genetics. It probably has to do more with the fact that African and Caribbean countries tend to care more about the sport. For the opposite reason, there's very few top black athletes in sports like high jump and hockey, despite the fact that they reward skills that African athletes stereotypically have. It bothers me when random white Westerners on the Internet make these huge generalizations about race, and dismiss anyone who disagrees as politically correct or oversensitive. When in reality the truth about racial genetic disparities is that it is very hard to distinguish. This is spot on. We do NOT have an understanding of human genetics sufficient enough to make claims about one ethnic groups relative potential in any area. So to invoke these ideas may not in itself be racist, but it is an invocation of a gross generalization, indicative of stereotyping, which MAY or may not be a symptom of racist thought on the part of the manga writer.
There is quite a substantial body of research that shows that people from west african nations have an abundance of fast twitch muscle fibres while those on the east coast of africa have slow twitch. Secondly having been to africa a number of times i dont see any evidence of greater caring (or lesser for that matter) about sport relative to western countries. The lower numbers of africas who partcipate in sports such as high jump is mainly due to funding for sports which tends to be higher in western countries which tend to have white majority populations.
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If you believe in evolution, then you should believe humans of certain regions adapted to their environment. As to how that translates into specific categories like gaming or football, is varied, but saying stuff like "I don't see color" is too idealistic than realistic.
Case in point, Chinese folks from the region my parents came from (Hong Kong) have nice calves. I don't know how to say that with a straight face, but my dad, my bro, and everyone in our clan has pretty muscular legs with absolutely zero squats done in my life. I think it has something more to do with the large angle the muscle attaches to our femur, but who knows. My wife comments on how she hates how defined my legs are while my arms are skinny sticks and hopes our son gets my legs and her shoulders. I had a 44" vertical back in highschool, but now I'm fat... with nice legs.
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On January 28 2013 04:28 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Considering European colonists all the way into 19th century American slave traders intentionally bred slaves to be physically superior (for labor purposes) which has now manifested itself in the form of dominating certain sports generations later, no I don't consider this racist.
Would this mean that Africa-American athletes outperform African ones significantly due to genetics? I thought it was due to superior training facilities, but if we can adjust for this factor then what you say might be the reason.
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Is it also racist that they don't let the only black guy on the team play for a few episodes...
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I'm pretty sure this is scientifically true. You can look up the reasons why, but genetically their bodies are suited better for running, not just in size and body proportions, but advantages even at the cellular level.
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On January 27 2013 21:58 targ wrote:
However awhile ago I read of a survey that came up with the results that there were IQ differences between races, and that DID get a large backlash of racism comments. The initial feeling that one inspired in me was that it seemed a tad racist, but after thinking carefully there really seems no intrinsic difference between that survey and this manga saying that black people run faster. So I'm not sure what to think now.
Read the Bell Curve
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On January 28 2013 16:32 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I'm pretty sure this is scientifically true. You can look up the reasons why, but genetically their bodies are suited better for running, not just in size and body proportions, but advantages even at the cellular level.
Well, show us the studies then !
I really have no opinion on the matte, and I've seen all sorts of claims but never any sort of credible source.
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I dunno... looking back at the olympics... I can't remember who that massive white guy was who ran the 10000m exception to the rule!
Galen Rupp! He would be sad indeed! lol
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