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Last weekend there was a nice anticapitalistic demonstration in the capitol (Copenhagen). Actually there were 2 demonstrations that melted together - "anticapitalistic demonstration" and "get rid of the right wing government - we want our Denmark back demonstration".
So i thought it would be a really nice thing, to go there and be a part of the anticapitalistic demonstration haha. The demonstration began 1300 - travel with train 4 hours. Then have 3 hours in the capitol for myself where i would walk around and like see the city on my own.
All in all, that meant i had to leave my house at 500 to catch the train at 600. ROFL so my alarm went off at 4:00 but i just turned around and continued sleeping. Then by some miracle i woke up again 5:24. I immediately checked the time wtf. "Its over" i thought. Now i cant go there and it would be so nice. Then i thought maybe i can run and make it to the trainstation because it was so early that the busses didnt run yet and i dont have a bike. But then i thought its so hard to run that i didnt want to do it. But then i thought, hey i already payed for the tickets, both out and home. So i said to myself, Noway, im not gonna waste my money away like that! so off i went to the trainstation running 530 in the morning rofl. But as they say, a regime-change doesnt come by itself haha.
I came to the trainstation and the train was there. I just made it to my seats and then the train took off. Man i was so sweaty, but luckely i had brought 3 t-shirts, so it wasnt a problem, but i had to wait like 1 hour before i could wash myself and change because sweat was still pouring out of my body haha.
So i came to Copenhagen, a city i can easily get lost in. I had just looked on a map for a few minutes on the internet at home, and i have no cellphone or things like that, that can connect wireless to the internet. So i just had to use my instincts. it was easy to find the rendezvous point for the demonstration but there was nothing here yet, and i still had a lot of time left. A secondary objective i had with this trip was also to learn Copenhagen better. This means that i could go anywhere i want and i would be solving my secondary objective. So out into the nothingness i went!
So i was gonna cross a bridge and in Copenhagen there a a couple of bridges and i was crossing a bridge and i thought it was the right one but after, when i came home, i discovered i was on the wrong bridge. Despite being on the wrong street i was still able to find the rendezvous point, but i failed to locate my next target. So i went back and came to the demonstration. Now i had run for 30 min, walked for 3 hours - lol and only now began the real demonstration, where we had to walk to the city hall and have a big party there.
There is one thing i should mention too, the weather. This was by far the best day since winter took refuge to the north. Weatherforecast predicted 20 degree locally and no cloudcover at all.
This contributed to the atmosphere/experience in a very positive way. I was very happy that i brought myself here and the people was really nice too and very friendly.
Yo! i brought my camera to document - haha i made this 1 min recording:
http://www.mediafire.com/
My recording is after the melting of the 2 demonstrations.
Here is a more pro picture:
http://www.modkraft.dk/IMG/jpg/afskaf_vko05.jpg
It was estimated that the 2 demonstrations gathered around 2k people.
During the demonstration there were all sorts of flags, like anarchistic
![[image loading]](http://www.nostate.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Anarchist-black-flag.png)
and Libertarian Socialist
![[image loading]](http://www.onthisdeity.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/anarchist-flag.png)
Which you also could call the anarco syndicalist flag.
and pure red flags. There were also people who just wanted to substitute the government and was not carrying any flags.
The peace flag was also seen:
The demonstration reached the city hall (but remained to stay outside), and here there were like a scene where people came to speak and when no one spoke then they played music. Basically it turned into one big open party with 2k people and then like 2-3 hours into the party some communists showed up. Dunno why they were not there during the demonstration but suddenly i saw their flags:
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The party went on till i had to get to my train (well for me at least), and head back. That day was a really nice day but it was also a hard day for my legs. Im happy i went off instead of laying in my bed and miss everything.
I think my message to you is that you also can do this. Just get some experience with demonstrating. Just get out, even if you are happy with your government, then demonstrate that you are happy with your government.
I think my message to you is that demonstrating can be fun, even if you come alone, because in a demonstration you are never alone 
 
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Can you explain the ideas, demands, and hopes for the demonstrations?
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anticapitalistic demonstration i guess wants to get rid of the capitalist system
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get rid of the right wing government - we want our Denmark back demonstration
wants to substitute the right wing government with a left wing government.
I may add that anticapitalistic demonstration wants a bigger change than get rid of the right wing government - we want our Denmark back demonstration.
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Libertarian Socialist.....
Someone who wants to maximize liberty by centralizing all power over material goods. Makes perfect sense.
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On April 08 2011 08:55 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Libertarian Socialist.....
Someone who wants to maximize liberty by centralizing all power over material goods. Makes perfect sense.
If you don't have to worry about things like money, food, power etc... that leaves all your time for being free! (provided you input the work necessary to earn these things)
I'm not sure whether I'm being serious or not with this.
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I gotta say I'm completely against socialism and its variant and that I know that free market is the only way to go. Nevertheless, I respect that left winged people always gather/protest w/e in favor of their ideas while us liberals usually never do shit as we should.
U don't see many of this around
![[image loading]](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_j2JafDh3HNs/Sb8cOSqYOZI/AAAAAAAAAJ8/-woRhdfeqV4/s400/capitalism-rocks-protest.jpg)
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If some people are confused by the concepts maybe this illustration helps:
![[image loading]](http://www.anarchy.no/anorg_e.jpg)
Btw i didnt bold in anarchism, it was how i found it.
buttom left says statism
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On April 08 2011 09:03 exeexe wrote:If some people are confused by the concepts maybe this illustration helps: Btw i didnt bold in anarchism, it was how i found it. buttom left says statism
For those who are REALLY confused by the concepts, maybe THIS will help:
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/yt0vF.png)
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On April 08 2011 09:14 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 09:03 exeexe wrote:If some people are confused by the concepts maybe this illustration helps: Btw i didnt bold in anarchism, it was how i found it. buttom left says statism For those who are REALLY confused by the concepts, maybe THIS will help: + Show Spoiler +
lol those two graphics are so brainwashing
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Anarchists demonstrating for more government spending.....?
I'm a bit confused.
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Can any free market advocates here qualify what economic freedom is and who benefits from it? Be specific and give examples, if you will.
Thanks.
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What a strange thing to demonstrate about.
Are they against all capitalism? Just some? How about a tiny sliver?
I'm sure it was fun and all, but an "anti capitalist" demonstration is quite ridiculous. Protesting a particular right-wing government at least is logical, but something as vague and arbitrary as "anti capitalism" can't be taken seriously.
Exeexe, out of curiosity, where there police at the event?
Also, Orwell would be rofl'ing in his grave at the hilarious irony of contemporary Danes arguing for anarchism haha
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On April 08 2011 09:14 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 09:03 exeexe wrote:If some people are confused by the concepts maybe this illustration helps: Btw i didnt bold in anarchism, it was how i found it. buttom left says statism For those who are REALLY confused by the concepts, maybe THIS will help:
I am severely confused by charts that are rotated 45 degrees.
I think the following site gives a very clear explanation: http://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2
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On April 08 2011 10:01 MichaelEU wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 09:14 jdseemoreglass wrote:On April 08 2011 09:03 exeexe wrote:If some people are confused by the concepts maybe this illustration helps: Btw i didnt bold in anarchism, it was how i found it. buttom left says statism For those who are REALLY confused by the concepts, maybe THIS will help: I am severely confused by charts that are rotated 45 degrees. I think the following site gives a very clear explanation: http://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2
These charts aren't rotated 45 degrees, they are fundamentally different. The first chart assumes for example that anarchism is closer to socialism than capitalism, which is honestly absurd imo.
To also answer the poster above, capitalism and "economic freedom" are basically euphemisms for a simple idea: VOLUNTARY EXCHANGE. Of course, any economic system which is founded upon voluntary action instead of societally coerced action will be considered to result in "more freedom" or "less oppression" and therefore closer to the true nature of anarchism.
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On April 08 2011 10:22 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 10:01 MichaelEU wrote:On April 08 2011 09:14 jdseemoreglass wrote:On April 08 2011 09:03 exeexe wrote:If some people are confused by the concepts maybe this illustration helps: Btw i didnt bold in anarchism, it was how i found it. buttom left says statism For those who are REALLY confused by the concepts, maybe THIS will help: I am severely confused by charts that are rotated 45 degrees. I think the following site gives a very clear explanation: http://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2 These charts aren't rotated 45 degrees, they are fundamentally different. The first chart assumes for example that anarchism is closer to socialism than capitalism, which is honestly absurd imo. To also answer the poster above, capitalism and "economic freedom" are basically euphemisms for a simple idea: VOLUNTARY EXCHANGE. Of course, any economic system which is founded upon voluntary action instead of societally coerced action will be considered to result in "more freedom" or "less oppression" and therefore closer to the true nature of anarchism.
I meant that I can't stand charts that are tilted squares.
And I wanted to share a proper lengthy explanation on the political divisions.
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Last weekend there was a nice anticapitalistic demonstration in the capitol (Copenhagen). Actually there were 2 demonstrations that melted together - "anticapitalistic demonstration" and "get rid of the right wing government - we want our Denmark back demonstration".
Could someone explain to me how these right-wing governments managed to gain so much power in Europe in the first place? It seems really bizzare to me.
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On April 08 2011 11:06 Ooshmagoosh wrote:Show nested quote +Last weekend there was a nice anticapitalistic demonstration in the capitol (Copenhagen). Actually there were 2 demonstrations that melted together - "anticapitalistic demonstration" and "get rid of the right wing government - we want our Denmark back demonstration". Could someone explain to me how these right-wing governments managed to gain so much power in Europe in the first place? It seems really bizzare to me.
I think it can be described like this but i dont know. Seems hard to describe something that should be happening over the whole European continent:
But something along the line of this. The right wing people somehow managed to set the order of the day in the media and then they deluded the people to think that if they gave up their rights then that would benefit everyone. So a lot of people voulentarily accepted that it would be better to not fight and let the government take control, and then they hoped that if they stayed loyal to the state, then the state would also stay loyal to them. LOL what a joke that was, but thats sort of what happened roughly.
..As the right wing state got enough power it opened the door for capitalism to enter..
And then capitalism got a bridgehead in the society and from here it grew stronger and stronger day by day. once a firm base was established it worked to divide the people not only between rich and poor but forexample also between ethnic european and arabic muslims etc. Because the more divided the people are, the weaker are the people, and the more exploitation can be achieved and subsequently more humans will go thorugh a life full of misery. The people had no idea that they had let a trojan horse inside and that it was already on the run. The people was deluded to beleive that if they harashed the arabic muslims then everything would become better, and the strong capitalist state would remain loyal to the people who helped in this moral case. But little did they know that a capitalist state does not know of such concepts as "thanks" or "owe you a favour", instead what they got was a state that now turned its focus on to the ethnic people, and i guess thats where we are today.
The question is, will people let them self be divided further into smaller groups or will they stand united and repel back what the state let in?
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I hold my own anti-capitalist demonstration every day by refusing to buy Apple, Adidas or Starbucks. Instead, I invest my money into means of production, which incidentally turns me into a capitalist.
Let it never be claimed that I do not do my fair share in the cause of social progress.
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cajpitalists want deregulated markets, wages to maximise profits. its good for you, because you will benefit of cheap products due to the competition. LOL
What free market is leading to is mass unemployment. Bosses dont care about people, they care about profit. If they can produce the same prodcut with only 50% of the people )=productivity gain) they will unemploy 50% of them. WHILE the profit is his own.
Communists or socialists want that the economy cant do that. they wawnt the good thing rom competition (productivity) with aboiding the bad )unemployment). The way to go is that the ppl who arent needed anymore (50%) will take the gains from the productivity increase and do something new with it (investing). So no profits, but investing.
If theres no thing to invest, then the 50% ppl would share the work to be done, so the worker hours would be 50% for all the ppl.
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On April 08 2011 11:06 Ooshmagoosh wrote:Show nested quote +Last weekend there was a nice anticapitalistic demonstration in the capitol (Copenhagen). Actually there were 2 demonstrations that melted together - "anticapitalistic demonstration" and "get rid of the right wing government - we want our Denmark back demonstration". Could someone explain to me how these right-wing governments managed to gain so much power in Europe in the first place? It seems really bizzare to me.
In Norway, at least, it's the result of the 70s and 80s right-wing politics (for anyone knowledgeable - yes, i know AP sat with power most of the time, but the politics still had a strong right-focused touch) and the kids brought up during that age (spoiled and unrealistically inflated value of self), mixed with modern left-wing lax immigration laws and xenophobia. What reason the rest of Europe has I don't know, but I imagine the wave of right-wing politics that took Norway in this period of time also hit other countries, and we're only seeing the true effects on it in our children now.
As for why protest capitalism, there's countless reasons, amongst those how it forcibly creates and sustains vast social and economic differences across the world. Don't get me wrong, capitalism has a lot of positives, but when the system is being abused as-is, and it so negatively impacts the vast majority of the world's population, then it might be time to review the system and figure out a new one.
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