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3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-31 00:54:56
March 31 2010 00:52 GMT
#61
There is even a map named (2) flash right now.

edit: and I'm not taking a side in argument as I=Toss player and unfortunately Toss only pawn like crazy in SCII so... bye!
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
BalloonFight
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States2007 Posts
March 31 2010 01:45 GMT
#62
On March 27 2010 12:57 Roffles wrote:
You know, a few guys named Nada, Savior, and Oov would like to disagree.

No one fucking touched those guys in their primes. Each one of them has 4+ titles to boot. Come back when you've been touched by the legends of the past.


what? why does there need to be an elitist "i was there for the past" poster in every thread about modern players? do you even have something to say?
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
March 31 2010 02:38 GMT
#63
On March 31 2010 10:45 BalloonFight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2010 12:57 Roffles wrote:
You know, a few guys named Nada, Savior, and Oov would like to disagree.

No one fucking touched those guys in their primes. Each one of them has 4+ titles to boot. Come back when you've been touched by the legends of the past.


what? why does there need to be an elitist "i was there for the past" poster in every thread about modern players? do you even have something to say?

YEAH WELL when SC:BW came out I was in South Korea and I had the honor of watching a TvT on television where both players went mnm. The player with more medics won, lol. At the time I had no idea about SC but I thought it was a really cool scene so it's always stayed in my memory. Several years later I realized how roflstupid it was and how undeveloped the game was back then.

When it comes to Flash/Jaedong/Bisu/Stork, I've always personally thought that Flash had the greatest raw potential and was the scariest player when playing at the top of his game. But that's just a personal feeling and opinion.
NurseArial
Profile Joined March 2010
Belarus109 Posts
March 31 2010 03:07 GMT
#64
On March 31 2010 10:45 BalloonFight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2010 12:57 Roffles wrote:
You know, a few guys named Nada, Savior, and Oov would like to disagree.

No one fucking touched those guys in their primes. Each one of them has 4+ titles to boot. Come back when you've been touched by the legends of the past.


what? why does there need to be an elitist "i was there for the past" poster in every thread about modern players? do you even have something to say?


Yeah. No one touches Flash either.

Even when Oov was dominating, July could still beat him. When sAviOr was dominating, he still had a tough time against GoRush/Hwasin.

What Flash lacks in comparison to the other bonjwas is individual league success. His domination in terms of statistics surpasses that of even iloveoov, he revolutionized TvZ and TvP, he perfected TvT, the mechanics of NaDa, the macro of oov, the game sense of sAviOr.

It's the titles that separate him from bonjwas of the past.
saltywet
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hong Kong1316 Posts
March 31 2010 03:20 GMT
#65
best has a different definition from most skilled.

without doubt, flash is the most skilled progamer since, but i would say the best would be nada, who had the longest reign
NurseArial
Profile Joined March 2010
Belarus109 Posts
March 31 2010 03:48 GMT
#66
Sure NaDa had the longest reign, but was he as dominant as Oov? Was he has important to e-sports as BoxeR or YellOw? Was he as innovative as nal_rA? Did he have sAviOr's sense?

There is no "best" progamer. There are favorites. There are player on top of their eras. There are players who excel above others in one aspect of the game. There are players who revolutionized a match-up or perhaps an entire race.

Arguing over who is "best" is pointless. Everyone has a different idea of what is more important. Some consider BoxeR the best because of what he contributed to the growth of E-Sports. Some consider NaDa the best because of his success. Some consider Oov the best because his crushing dominance and macro revolution. Some consider Flash the best because he takes everything that made the previous bonjwas the "best" of their time and consolidates it into one ultimate weapon, yet he lacks league success.

For every reason you might consider some gamer the "greatest", they lack a quality that causes another to consider another player the "greatest"

It's an argument that, frankly, should be put to rest.
JFKWT
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore1442 Posts
March 31 2010 04:16 GMT
#67
On March 28 2010 04:53 Hypnosis wrote:
His eyelids are made of brain matter...More brain=greater SC skill

I know rite...
The calm before the storm / "loli is not a crime, but meganekko is the way to go!"
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
April 27 2010 13:21 GMT
#68
On March 27 2010 15:51 Manifesto7 wrote:
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Why Flash is the best player ever


Because you started watching progaming in 2009.

win
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17726 Posts
April 27 2010 14:01 GMT
#69
On March 31 2010 11:38 koreasilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2010 10:45 BalloonFight wrote:
On March 27 2010 12:57 Roffles wrote:
You know, a few guys named Nada, Savior, and Oov would like to disagree.

No one fucking touched those guys in their primes. Each one of them has 4+ titles to boot. Come back when you've been touched by the legends of the past.


what? why does there need to be an elitist "i was there for the past" poster in every thread about modern players? do you even have something to say?

YEAH WELL when SC:BW came out I was in South Korea and I had the honor of watching a TvT on television where both players went mnm. The player with more medics won, lol. At the time I had no idea about SC but I thought it was a really cool scene so it's always stayed in my memory. Several years later I realized how roflstupid it was and how undeveloped the game was back then.

When it comes to Flash/Jaedong/Bisu/Stork, I've always personally thought that Flash had the greatest raw potential and was the scariest player when playing at the top of his game. But that's just a personal feeling and opinion.

i thought jaedong was until flash got in his crazy tvz streak then won osl.
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
April 27 2010 14:37 GMT
#70
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Well, while this thread is bumped, its worthy to note Flash broke his ELO AGAIN to 2435. Maybe its been a long time, but has ANYONE been this damn dominant before, at least in the pro league, for THIS long? He's just out of control.
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