I dislike comparing progamers too excessively to players who were dominant in different time periods. Iloveoov looks like trash compared to Flash's modern play but that does nothing to diminish the legend that is Choi Yun Sung.

In fact, I harbor an intense dislike for the term "best player ever", because it isn't relative to any time period. Go ahead and make the case that Flash was the best player from 200X-20XX. If we're going to talk about progamers, lets keep it respective to their time periods.

Flash may end his career as the fifth bonjwa but it must be absolutely kept in mind that he is playing in a totally different environment than sAviOr/NaDa/BoxeR/Iloveoov ever did.

People were saying the same thing about Iloveoov back in his day. People shouted "he must be cheating." "he must be hacking." "it's impossible to have an army that big."

this feeling, that invincible aura, it's anything but new.

Romantic

United States1844 Posts

March 27 2010 19:17 GMT

#46

Perhaps, but I would say the amount BW players have left to improve is very little.

Also, what makes Flash look touchable? because his win rate isn't 90% yet lulz

notsoeloquent

United States64 Posts

March 27 2010 19:39 GMT

#47

best player of today is obviously the best player ever since the game evolves constantly

Hypnosis

United States2061 Posts

March 27 2010 19:53 GMT

#48

His lips are made of brain matter...More brain=greater SC skill

lowbright

308 Posts

March 27 2010 20:57 GMT

#49

I like your post and it makes sense, but most players have that fire. Losing is a really emotional thing because not only did you let yourself down, you let your team down. It's more difficult to deal with when others are relying on you and can share in your success as well as your failures.

Neak

United Kingdom124 Posts

March 28 2010 03:38 GMT

#50

I haven't watched sc1 games in a while but I do remember one thing about him, his determination.. you can see it in his face.

Mx.DeeP

China25 Posts

March 28 2010 03:56 GMT

#51

Every player has determination. You have to be crazy determined just to make it into the A team.

Waxangel

United States33075 Posts

March 28 2010 04:12 GMT

#52

He definitely needs to win 2~3 more championships before we start talking about all time greats.

But if we're just saying pure skill at peak, he's probably the best progamer ever.

SilverSkyLark

Philippines8437 Posts

March 28 2010 13:21 GMT

#53

On March 28 2010 12:38 Neak wrote:
I haven't watched sc1 games in a while but I do remember one thing about him, his determination.. you can see it in his face.

I didn't see that during the last MSL Finals though.

Jlab

United States217 Posts

March 29 2010 02:18 GMT

#54

Hey does anyone have that picture of Flash's face when he had that twitch or something. When his eyes r messed up.
Thats why he is the best. O.o

Bibbit

Canada5377 Posts

March 29 2010 03:09 GMT

#55

Best player ever? I wouldn't say so. But I don't think anyone can doubt that Flash > Anybody at their peak if they played. If you take the best savior's ever been and put that guy against Flash, Savior's getting owned.

Dunno if it's been mentioned but check out the TLFE called 'On Waxen Wings.' http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=113256

Its good.

jalstar

United States8198 Posts

March 29 2010 06:06 GMT

#56

Amount of times in a finals:

10: (T)

NaDa
7:

BoxeR
6:

Jaedong,

sAviOr
5.

iloveoov,

YellOw,

July
-----------------line between "great" and "incredible"-----------------------
4: (P)

Bisu,

Stork,

Reach,

Nal_rA,

ChoJJa
3:

Flash
-----------------line between "good" and "great"------------------------------

Hot_Bid

Braavos36369 Posts

March 29 2010 06:28 GMT

#57

On March 29 2010 12:09 Bibbit wrote:
Best player ever? I wouldn't say so. But I don't think anyone can doubt that Flash > Anybody at their peak if they played. If you take the best savior's ever been and put that guy against Flash, Savior's getting owned.

Dunno if it's been mentioned but check out the TLFE called 'On Waxen Wings.' http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=113256

Its good.

plenty of people believe jd at his peak > flash at his peak

i mean, they played a series when arguably jaedong wasn't at his peak, and flash lost

even discounting game 4, jaedong was ahead 2-1 in games

buickskylark

Canada664 Posts

March 29 2010 08:47 GMT

#58

On March 27 2010 17:57 meegrean wrote:
Flash is the best player at the moment, but he is still lacking titles. I still consider Jaedong better than Flash overall (in terms of consistency, title wins, etc).

you sir, could have said 'titties' instead of titles and i would still agree with you.

FieryBalrog

United States1381 Posts

March 30 2010 12:19 GMT

#59

Flash isn't even the best player right now. The OP is especially ironic considering for a looong period Flash could reliably destroy second-rate progamers with unbelievable consistency but failed hard when it came to matches with other S-class progamers.

NurseArial

Belarus109 Posts

March 30 2010 23:38 GMT

#60

On March 30 2010 21:19 FieryBalrog wrote:
Flash isn't even the best player right now. The OP is especially ironic considering for a looong period Flash could reliably destroy second-rate progamers with unbelievable consistency but failed hard when it came to matches with other S-class progamers.

Flash isn't the best player right now?

I'd realllllly like to see you make a case for that.

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