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United States2801 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-14 21:07:11
October 14 2009 20:01 GMT
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LEARNING JAPANESE WITH RAPTOR: MY EXPERIENCES

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WHY?

Since I was very little, I've always been fascinated by the way the Japanese people live their lives.

Their culture is simply fascinating; like the way they greet each other based on hierarchy, the conciseness and flexibility of their language, their strong connection to spiritual and natural life, their marvelous calligraphy and really mysterious ancient history, that is just to name a few.

They tend to live in small homes since Japan is constantly growing and the fact that it is an island, thus you will always see these huge buildings (specially in Tokyo) called danji which are like a big complex of crammed up apartments. This increases the coziness of one's home (which may or may not be a good thing for some people) but that I've always found to be very comforting! (call me weird).

Then comes their food! OMG, there's nothing better in this world than seafood, I love seafood, hell I could live on seafood for the rest of my life (which I think would prove to be a tough challenge though) I mean, who doesn't like their little wiggly - tailed underwater friends on their plate? x3 (ok, that was gay).

Then it comes their art; simple water paintings and badass deep - dark - ink calligraphy. I could fill my entire home with those you know, there's something about their simplicity that simply draws my attention in so much!

Then comes their manga of course (and some anime), Japanese cartoons are so unique you can see the difference between Ed, Edd & Eddy and Bleach lol (but most manga tend to be all quite the same tho, that's the only downer).

To keep this short, I will stop here, but there are still many more other things that have caught my love for the country and the people in it. That's why I will be moving there once I graduate!

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Beautiful architecture



HOW?

I'm an independent Japanese - language student as my university doesn't offer any other foreign language courses other than Spanish (which is my native tongue) and I don't want to spend the money on some other place I would have to go to so I can learn it.

I'm currently viewing a TV series on YouTube that was made like two years ago called Let's Learn Japanese! which features some dude called Yan whom traveled to Japan to learn about it's business (the skits are very entertaining though they can get a bit repetitive). I think there are a total of 28 episodes, each in which they teach you various ways of using Japanese sentences and words to help you survive in the country (I don't think it gets truly specific, but they mostly teach you stuff you would want to memorize to help you if you happen to travel there someday).

Google is my Japanese teacher. It has a lot of pros, but there's nothing like actually speaking and hearing the language with truly fluent people to help you get a good grasp on how it works. This, of course, has to be done pretty much everyday, which is something that simply won't happen here, in the U.S.

But something is better than nothing isn't it?

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He can kick your ass



WHEN AND WHERE?

I use any free time I get, anywhere I am, to further my Japanese horizons the best I can. This includes doing it at the university (which is good since I don't have a printer and can print out a good deal of material such as hiragana tables or kanji). I don't have any set scedules or topics, but rather I do a lot of research and find whatever I can and learn as much as I can from it (the internet is a very powerful tool my friends!)

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We don't need to train at the Eiffel tower to kick this much ass



INTRODUCTION

The Japanese language is really tough! Mostly, though, when it comes to figuring out the meaning of kanji, using the correct sentence structure, and knowing the correct use of the damn particles.

The pronunciation was very easy to learn, though, I think this was due to the fact that I can speak both English and Spanish fluently, and our Spanish vowels are extremely close, if not 100% to those the Japanese pronunciation.

Also, the hiragana alphabet was somewhat tricky to memorize, but it could be done, and now I'm at the point where I can read and write it with no problem (unless I happen to stumble upon some weird kanji out of the 20 or so that I already know. Yes, sad). I don't know katakana yet and I'm still confused on how the hell to use kanji; they have like 10 meanings each, some which are totally unrelated, as well as different pronunciations for it depending on context. Also, I never know whether they are verbs, adjectives or nouns though I'm sure you have a lot of those for each.


HIRAGANA TABLE

Hiragana is the most common writing system the Japanese employ.
Here's the hiragana table for future reference:

あ - a い - i え - u う - e お - o
か - ka き - ki く - ku け - ke こ - ko
さ - sa し - shi す - su せ - se そ - so
た - ta ち - chi つ - tsu て - te と - to
な - na に - ni ぬ - nu ね - ne の - no
は - ha ひ - hi ふ - fu へ - he ほ - ho
ま - ma み - mi む - mu め - me も - mo
や - ya ゆ - yu よ - yo
ら - ra り - ri る - ru れ - re ろ - ro
わ - wa を - wo
ん - n
が - ga ぎ - gi ぐ - gu げ - ge ご - go
ざ - za じ - ji ず - zu ぜ - ze ぞ - zo
だ - da ぢ - dji づ - du で - de ど - do
ば - ba び - bi ぶ - bu べ - be ぼ - bo
ぱ - pa ぴ - pi ぷ - pu ぺ - pe ぽ - po
きゃ - kya きゅ - kyu きょ - kyo
しゃ - sha しゅ - shu しょ - sho
ちゃ - cha ちゅ - chu ちょ - cho
にゃ - nya にゅ - nyu にょ - nyo
ひゃ - hya ひゅ - hyu ひょ - hyo
みゃ - mya みゅ - myu みょ - myo
りゃ - rya りゅ - ryu りょ - ryo
ぎゃ - gya ぎゅ - gyu ぎょ - gyo
じゃ - ja じゅ - ju じょ - jo
ぢゃ - dja ぢゅ - dju ぢょ - djo
びゃ - bya びゅ - byu びょ - byo
ぴゃ - pya ぴゅ - pyu ぴょ - pyo



KATAKANA TABLE

Katakana is used by the japanese to accentuate words of foreign descent.
Here's the katakana table for future reference:

I haven't memorized it yet.


KANJI

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Strokes: 1
Meaning: one, unity

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Strokes: 2
Meaning: two, second

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Strokes: 3
Meaning: three, third

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Strokes: 5
Meaning: four

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Strokes: 4
Meaning: five, fifth

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Strokes: 4
Meaning: six, sixth

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Strokes: 2
Meaning: seven, seventh

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Strokes: 2
Meaning: eight, eigth, many

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Strokes: 2
Meaning: nine

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Strokes: 2
Meaning: ten, tenth, complete, cross

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Strokes: 6
Meaning: hundred, various

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Strokes: 3
Meaning: thousand

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Strokes: 8
Meaning: rain, rainfall

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Strokes: 8
Meaning: to study, educational institution, student

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Strokes: 5
Meaning: right, right wing

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Strokes: 4
Meaning: circle, yen, round, smooth

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Strokes: 4
Meaning: king, monarch

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Strokes: 9
Meaning: sound, noise, music, tone

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Strokes: 3
Meaning: down, under, low, below

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Strokes: 4
Meaning: fire, tuesday

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Strokes: 7
Meaning: flower, blossom

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Strokes: 7
Meaning: shellfish, shell

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Strokes: 6
Meaning: gas, spirit, vitality, atmosphere

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Strokes: 6
Meaning: to rest, holiday, to suspend

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Strokes: 5
Meaning: gem, jewel, ball, coin suffix

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Strokes: 8
Meaning: metal, gold, money, friday

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Strokes: 8
Meaning: sky, air, empty

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Strokes: 4
Meaning: moon, month, monday

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Strokes: 4
Meaning: dog

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Strokes: 7
Meaning: see, look, view, examine, show



PARTICLES

I know the particles are like the cement of the japanese - word bricks, without them, you wouldn't be able to express a single Japanese thought at all! I learned that there are some rules for the use of each which apply in many cases but not necessarily in some other cases (T.T). I also learned that all of them are postfix (meaning that they always go after the word they emphasize). Here's a list of the particles (Warning, they may not be 100% correct):

WA - Written HA - Indicates subject but places emphasis of what you're going to say (as for the flowers, I love them!)

GA - Indicates subject but places emphasis on the subject itself (I was the one who killed him)

NO - It shows possession (this is my car)

O - Written WO - Shows us what the direct object is (shall we get a pizza?)

NI - Shows us what the indirect object is, who or what an action is directed to. Also used to show destination, places, dates and times. (the children play in the park)

DE - Shows us where an action takes place, is used to mean "among", indicate a method, say something is good or sufficient as it is, and sometimes combined with WA to show something is done within the subject.

MO - "Includer" plays the same role as and or too (that's a car too!)

E - Similar to NI but not as used and empasizes destination.

KA - Equivalent to a question mark; put at the end of a sentence. (What the hell are you?)

YA - Works like "and" when listing relevant things while leaving others out (here are the spoons, forks, etc)

TO - Works like "and" as well but this time you use it to mention everything on the list (here are the pencils, sharpeners, erasers, crayons and pens). Also used for quotes (Mario said this and that).

YO - Used at the end of a sentence to call someone's attention forcefully, (Alex, look at this!!!)

NE - Used at the end of a sentence to mean "right?" or "isn't it?" or something along those lines (overused)

This is a bit straightforward, but you can always go here and check the whole thing out.

WHAT AM I WATCHING?

I'm currently watching this program (the one I mentioned up there in the HOW section) about this dude called Yan and his adventures in Japan. They're very entertaining but are somewhat scratching the surface of the language. However, like I said again, something is better than nothing at all, and these videos besides providing for some good entertainment, they also let me hear people talking normal Japanese using the sentences I'm learning during each lesson.

Here's lesson 1 for those who are interested:



Enjoy their little heart catching music!

UPDATES

I will be adding more stuff to this as I learn the language, please feel free to post whatever you find useful or send me a PM. Thanks! Arigato Gozaimasu!

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ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
October 14 2009 20:30 GMT
#2
On October 15 2009 05:01 EsX_Raptor wrote:
Every time I learn a new kanji, I will be updating it here so that I can have a list of those that I already know (please if you happen to know what are the ones that are most frequently used, please be kind enough to let me know so that I can learn those first)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyōiku_kanji is a list of kanji by grade level taught to Japanese children. All the ones that you've learned look like grade 1 kanji so you're on the right track, but it's a little strange to learn "down" and not "up" along with it, "right" without "left" etc. Get a workbook or flash cards to study.
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
October 14 2009 20:33 GMT
#3
yokatta.


cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
October 14 2009 20:34 GMT
#4
As you can tell I don't know how to set up hiragana on OS X
Zooey
Profile Joined October 2006
103 Posts
October 14 2009 20:34 GMT
#5
I'm learning as well. In fact I'm using that same site for kanji (somewhat).

I recommend getting a Kanji book as that site isn't comprehensive (you can also get the Firefox addon rikaichan instead). I use Japanese Kanji and Kana by Wolfgang Hadamitzky & Mark Spahn. (Credit to fusionsdf for helping me with all Kanji-related ventures)

I also use this java applet for drilling past kanji so that I don't forget
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~ik2r-myr/kanji/listjouyou_en.htm

I'm just finishing up on Grade 2. It'll get harder as the meanings become more subtle.
Ame
Profile Joined October 2009
United States246 Posts
October 14 2009 20:37 GMT
#6
If you're seriously going to be updating the list with every kanji you learn... that is going to be one long list by the time you're done.

Eventually you may find this interesting:
http://www.yookoso.com/phpList/?p=subscribe

I came across it earlier this year. I find the "Grammar a Day"s interesting to read through, though I can't claim how much of it I actually remember.
stk01001
Profile Joined September 2007
United States786 Posts
October 14 2009 20:38 GMT
#7
I'm actually 50% japanese and used to live there when I was very young. I've also gone back to visit multiple times, my mother is full japanese and all of her family lives there. I agree they have a very interesting and unique culture and it definately seems like a great place to live. Every time I visit there it's a great experience, it's a beautiful country.. good luck living over there!
a.k.a reLapSe ---
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
October 14 2009 20:40 GMT
#8
Sup I'm back


よかった。
betaben
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-14 21:02:51
October 14 2009 20:57 GMT
#9
I'm trying to learn japanese. I found http://www.davidhallgren.se/nihon/ to be useful for reading

On October 15 2009 05:34 Zooey wrote:
I also use this java applet for drilling past kanji so that I don't forget
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~ik2r-myr/kanji/listjouyou_en.htm

wow this is good for kanji!
EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2801 Posts
October 14 2009 21:04 GMT
#10
Thank you all very much for the information! Bookmarking brb...

Please keep it coming =D

Oops, seems like I will indeed have a damn long list by the time I'm done with grade one lol, I'll fix that.

Can't wait to go to Japan ^^ but for that I'll have to learn this thing really well, which is going to take some time and dedication
Phrogs!
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Japan521 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-14 21:06:57
October 14 2009 21:06 GMT
#11
It's really not a hard language at all, good luck!!

Couple of sites that helped me alot:
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/ -- Covers all kinds of grammar in detail, just look at that table of contents
http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/about -- Guy who learned the language in a couple of years and now works in japan explaining his learning method and more..
tirentu
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1257 Posts
October 14 2009 21:09 GMT
#12
わたしはにほんごのがくせいです。
though i dont know much more than that still...
onihunter
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States515 Posts
October 14 2009 21:23 GMT
#13
がんばって
jaedong forever~
rgfdxm
Profile Joined December 2006
United States239 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-14 21:40:32
October 14 2009 21:30 GMT
#14
I just started self-studying Japanese about 3 months ago. Pretty much all the sites I have bookmarked are already listed in this thread, but if you're really serious about learning kanji long-term then you should check out a SRS (spaced repetition system) like anki (http://ichi2.net/anki/).

It looks like there's a bunch of Japanese learners around. Maybe we could have like, TL Japanese practice chats on skype.
Amarxist
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States371 Posts
October 14 2009 21:40 GMT
#15
I also started learning roughly 2 months ago (self-study). Quite enjoyable. A very helpful website i've been using for general look-ups is a site called Tangorin. It's well developed and highly useful. One of the more useful tools is the mutli-radical kanji look-up.

http://www.tangorin.com/
☺ ☻
da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
October 14 2009 22:23 GMT
#16
awesome! i'm currently taking japanese as an elective course in university, and this should be very helpful
When they see MC Probe, all the ladies disrobe.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
October 14 2009 22:39 GMT
#17
頑張って~

日本語は本当に難しい
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
October 14 2009 22:43 GMT
#18
wow this blog is really helpful and interesting, thanks dude!

gl in japan!
HEY MEYT
ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
October 14 2009 22:53 GMT
#19
On October 15 2009 06:30 rgfdxm wrote:
I just started self-studying Japanese about 3 months ago. Pretty much all the sites I have bookmarked are already listed in this thread, but if you're really serious about learning kanji long-term then you should check out a SRS (spaced repetition system) like anki (http://ichi2.net/anki/).


This anki tool looks amazing. I haven't even played with it much yet, but I already wish I had this back when I was in school.
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-14 22:57:18
October 14 2009 22:55 GMT
#20

http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~ik2r-myr/kanji/listjouyou_en.htm (gonna pimp it some more)
http://www.tanos.co.uk/jlpt/
http://kanji.koohii.com/ <- if you're using heisig method (which I detest)
http://www.geocities.com/easykanji/jlptgrammar.html
http://www.polarcloud.com/japanese <- go download rikaichan
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?myxhdoontem shhhhhhh

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http://www.hellodamage.com/kanjidicks/main.htm <- BEST SITE EVER
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/index.html#contents
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with anki, be careful. Once you add enough cards it tends to freeze/crash in my experience. Use http://kanji.koohii.com/ instead if you are using heisig, I dont really know any good flashcard sites for non-heisig
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maga33
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States247 Posts
October 15 2009 00:50 GMT
#21
I'm chinese so i know a decent number of kanji already. I can play most visual novels in japanese and understand whats going on but not what the characters are saying word for word. I just have trouble keeping up my commitment to study actual sentences/hiragana/katagana:/
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NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
October 15 2009 01:01 GMT
#22
Excellent blog - thank you for the hiragana chart. I've managed to forget most of my written Japanese since I left university. I realized when I went to Fukuoka for my visa that most of my spoken Japanese is from dramas and movies! I did manage to have one full conversation whilst asking for directions
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