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Glad to be here. This is my second mafia game so I know very few people in this game. That's good though since I'll be able to look at people without bias from previous games. I'll be making contributions as soon as I catch up with the thread. | ||
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Anyway, I went through GBs filter and this is my analysis of his filter: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Pro town: Open and fearless in his comments, very active. Gives out frequent reads. Stimulates Discussion Extensive reads list with reasons Losing temper, defending himself with passion, wanting to discuss reads. Put together a good meta read on bugs with passion behind it. Making a case on breshke. Wants to clear his name, by being willing to answer any questions. Starts putting together reads again post 1 Willing to reconsider his own viewpoint ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pro mafia: Reads without substance. Large fluff to substance ratio. Claims damdred is town without reason Votes bill murray without reason Tries to push a no lynch on rsoultin and bugs without reason Argues for common policy to not lynch the largest filter which is rsoultin Wants to lynch bill murray again, still haven't seen a reason why. Flip floppity voting in quick succession without reason: post 1 post 2 post 3 Again using filter length as a reason for no lynch this time on kelsier. Lynch list with a lot of new names without any Reasoning Weak reason for wanting to lynch shockey. Completely loses Temper, a weak way to convince people. Gives up trying to defend himself: post 1 post 2 Uses biggest filter excuse again to defend himself. And again Biggest scumread is breshke which he made a case on, but wants to lynch boxerfred and shockey without reason ------------------------------------------------------------------- Conclusion: Seems like a person that likes to babble a lot and not put much thought into what he says. Unstable temper, aggressive tone. A ton of the posts are just fluff and 1 liners. A lot of reads without reasons, often names that wasn't even on his radar before. Some highlights in between. Might just be a talkative person, but I think the way he exposed himself made him an easy target, but maybe its just his nature. I don't like how wishy washy he is with his reads and all the fluff. However day 1 judging of people is hard because there is a lack of information. Throwing things out and getting people defensive and talking is an important job as town. The most compelling townie sign for me was the emotion he showed in his responses. It seemed very genuine that he was offended of being accused of being mafia. I liked the progression from day 1 to day 2, less babbling more constructive discussion. I would like him to keep going with the progression so far and contribute with constructive dialogue. Slight townlean for now. | ||
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On June 20 2015 06:14 LightningStrike wrote: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17nEr1Bjun0YvdD41fcfgBKK4Xefz5AMI_CTTIp_IHmg/edit Here is my document of my reads feel free to comment on them in this thread. I think you should share your thoughts here in this thread, so that they will be available for posterity. If you put your reads somewhere else you can change them at any moment. There's a reason the no edit rule is implemented. I don't even... | ||
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This guy has a pretty short filter, so it didn't take me long to put this together: -------------------------------- Pro town: -------------------------------- Pro mafia: Little activity. Little engagement in the thread. Votes rsoultin without reason Lists onegu, damdred and mig as mafia without reason Claims kelser and lightning are mafia without reason Claims lohengram is mafia without reason Not interested in promoting discussion ------------------------------- That's right, I couldn't find 1 positive town contribution from his filter. Doesn't mean he's mafia, but it means he doesn't contribute to winning as town either. Conclusions: Short filter day 1. Very little contributions, throws out mafia reads without substance. Doesn't make 1 solid case. Does not seem enganged in the game. Posts a lot of useless gifs/videos. Complacent in letting things play out on their own. Mafialean | ||
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I also got suspicious of him wanting people to read his his thoughts on another website. Here's my analysis of him: ----------------------------------- Pro town: Active. Carefree. Composes an early reads list Reads on gwb and rsoultin with reasons Goes through the effort of reading filters from another game. Makes some Observations on GB Puts together a solid reads list ----------------------------------- Pro mafia: Votes shockey without reason Sheeps GWB and votes for GB ----------------------------------- Conclusion : Long filter, a lot of it is fluff. Active. Not timid or afraid to express himself. Calm and collected, does not seem to be pushing any agenda. Has some okay reads, but not as many as I'd like to see compared to his filter length. I get a town vibe off LS. town lean | ||
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On June 20 2015 08:35 Onegu wrote: Really you found him calm and collected? I call BS, he threatend to replace out... And claimed blue role when he was getting pressured On June 19 2015 08:46 LightningStrike wrote: I am VT this game and I unclaimed because everyone questioned my claim I didn't really expect to much on and decided enough was enough. I prob just replace out because I just can't play this game as last Friday a friend of mine from High School died in a Car Accident and I only found out after I signed up. I thought that I can play but then with the shit happening this game I can't play it anymore and will commit Sudoku. He had a traumatic event happen to him recently. Yes, he did have a little episode where showed some emotion. Despite that he calmed himself down and I saw nothing but good temper outside of that short phase. | ||
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On June 20 2015 08:41 Onegu wrote: Also his VA post is BS also. VA list with me in it was a joke post. His reasons for voting yamato were BM replacing out. I encourage you to find me 1 pro-town action from VA. I'm sure you can find 1 if you try really hard. | ||
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I'll place my vote on him for now until I find someone scummier. ##Vote VayneAuthority | ||
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On June 20 2015 09:01 GlowingBear wrote: I've finished reading Fidei's filter and I hate every single part of it. I don't see someone trying to catch scum, I see a guy faking contribution. His strongest scumread was on VA, but he never actually tried to get VA lynched. He scumread boxer for a very bad reason and kept his vote on him instead of voting VA? It is not making sense to me. His constant need to tell thread should brake the post frenesi and agreeing with a lynch all lurkers policy (which isn't exactly what I was saying, but whatever) gives me the same "I am contributing, guys!" impression. I'll read fidei's filter next. | ||
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On June 20 2015 08:50 ritoky wrote: You didn't say you were ignoring him fake claiming a blue role under very light pressure and then unclaiming it. So that didn't stand out to you as relevant? That also doesn't seem "calm or collected"....Voting shockeyy without reason? He was LS's primary scum read for the majority of the day, then when shockeyy actually started to accrue votes he refused to vote on him and flipped his read over a post I read as scummy. Also, non-specific list posts aren't town indicative of anyone....this is....he is new....could this just be bad play? Read from the LS' filter a lot of information is lost when posts are standalone without quotes encapsulating the context. Also the calm and collected comment was in relation to the other filters I've read so far, particularly GB's. GB's filter is like opening the hose on raw emotion, compared to LS' more shielded and emotionally controlled filter. I didnt notice the blue claim before onegu mentioned it, I'll have to go back and read the situation in context to get a better understanding. | ||
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So first off I want to say that I think it's really stupid to blue claim day 1. He was not under any serious pressure, and it was way too early in the day to claim blue. If he really is a blue, then he made himself an easy target for the mafia, I don't think you can get more anti town than that. Why would he be so desperate to stay alive when he has such light pressure on him? But considering he made it so lightly, mafia is not inclined to believe the claim either. He made a move that both made town wary of starting a train on him day 1, and then mafia wouldn't believe the claim either and shoot him at night. If you consider the circumstances, the only certain thing that can be said was that he made an excellent move from a survival standpoint. From a mafia standpoint it doesn't make sense to draw that much attention to himself, because he would be a prominent lynch target later in the game. It caused a long discussion and he basically turned into a question mark in everyone's mind. Who would take him seriously after this? Mafia wants to gain influence, framine targets by providing believable arguments. LS just lost a significant portion of his power to do that with the blue claim. I see stupid reasons to claim blue as town, I see no reasons to claim blue as mafia. | ||
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On June 20 2015 17:47 Breshke wrote: Town don't care about survival, mafia care about survival. How can you say you see a good move from a survival standpoint but not a mafia standpoint when surviving is mafias wincon. Could you make your next filter dive shockeyy please ruxxar. I'm going to do fidei first as I said, then I'll look into shockey. | ||
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Tries to make early Contributions. Gets his opinions out there to stiumlate discussion. Has an agenda of lynching inactive/non-contributing/anti town people day 1. Which I agree is a good idea in general. Makes a good argument on post content. Puts a lot of effort into filter dives and is able to formulate substantiated reads: Shockey and BF Mig Breshke Vaynes authority Conclusions: Most solid filter I've read so far. I like how he's making few but solid posts. Very little fluff, a lot of meat. Very good effort in all his posts, seems very genuinely interested in contributing. Answering questions, prodding people, making good reads. Not afraid to put his opinion out there, opening himself to scrutiny. This was a pretty easy conclusion. Looks like a textbook example of town to me. | ||
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On June 20 2015 21:29 Holyflare wrote: i also don't know what to think of bugs replacement, what he's doing is pretty towny in theory and I think he's new but he seems to be just glossing over the peoples filters so i'm not sure what exactly to make of it For day 1 analysis, a lot of things are up in the air. It's very easy to read too much into something a person said and feel convinced it was a scumslip or had scum motivations. It's more important for find the overarching direction of a person and see whether their actions align with pro town or pro mafia. Things I specifically look for are : Pro town actions: Making substantiated reads, Usually town puts more effort into their reads than mafia. Asking questions, fishing for information. Answering questions, especially tough ones that doubts their reasoning. Does not give up easily when facing resistance. Mafia tells: Trying to create vote trains for wrong or weak reasons. Usually picking on 1 weak post from a player, or resorting to personal attacks. Throwing out votes on people without reason, hope other people pick up on it and make a case for them. Babbling, spam, pointless discussion. Deflecting attention from mafia friends. I know I'm a newbie still(this is my 2nd game), but this is how I currently think about the game. I'm sure a lot of it can be faked by either side, but if you look at peoples actions in the long run it should be possible to discern some kind of motive, and I find motive to be a very reliable indicator of people's alignments. | ||
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I forgot to add that not doing pro town actions is by nature considered pro mafia. So people that are inactive are automatically hurting town, and are therefore pro mafia. | ||
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On June 20 2015 22:31 Breshke wrote: ruxxar can you pls pls do shockey analysis. Working on it, I didn't forget you. | ||
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My shockey analysis: Pro town: Puts pressure on damdred. Puts pressure on Lightningstrike and was consistent in this for a long time. Tries to push through his question even when ignored: Makes an okay reads list Pro mafia: Rubbish reads list. Seems defensive about his inactivity, yet spends his time complaining instead of making contributions. Complains about rsoultin and her phone excuses. I think that's a weak argument to push against someone. No scum hunting, except for going after LS. Votes on GB because he's being ignored. Switches to boxerfred without reason Conclusions: Little contribution in his posts. Very defensive. Weak arguments in his accusations, relying a lot on what other people said. I find his vote switching from LS to GB really weird, after tunneling LS all game. A lot of negative emotions, like he's constantly angry at something. He did seem consistent in the way he acted so maybe that's just his natural self. Either way: Slight Scumlean | ||
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On June 20 2015 23:22 ShoCkeyy wrote: ruxxar, welcome. Thank you! I will look into lohengram next. | ||
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On June 21 2015 11:18 Lohengramm wrote: NEW COMPUTER BOYS YEEAAAAAAAAAHHHH Welcome to the party! | ||
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