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Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-10 04:51:35
January 10 2014 04:51 GMT
#209
If you're still taking signups,

/in

not sure normal-size games suit me and I'm not sure I'm gonna like a PM game, but what the hell
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
January 10 2014 07:35 GMT
#216
Oh, and before the game starts - I'll be busy so don't count on seeing much from me for the first 24 hours or so.

+ Show Spoiler +
##Vote: Aquanim
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
January 11 2014 02:44 GMT
#358
Hi. I have no desire to be mayor. There, that's out of the way.

On January 11 2014 11:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Until someone provides a real reason to be elected they shouldn't be considered.

What do you consider a real reason to be elected?

Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
January 11 2014 03:07 GMT
#365
On January 11 2014 12:01 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2014 11:44 Aquanim wrote:
Hi. I have no desire to be mayor. There, that's out of the way.

On January 11 2014 11:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Until someone provides a real reason to be elected they shouldn't be considered.

What do you consider a real reason to be elected?



Why do you have no desire to become a Mayor?

I don't have the time or motivation to deal with that kind of added responsibility.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
January 11 2014 10:56 GMT
#567
On January 11 2014 19:45 kushm4sta wrote:
can we save rayn by making him mayor lol?

do you have good reason to believe rayn is town? if so would you mind sharing it?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
January 11 2014 13:09 GMT
#584
On January 11 2014 22:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Agreed with Mocsta, suchdoge is the scummiest person in the thread.

D'you reckon you can explain this to me? That long post of his looks like it was written pregame, and therefore doesn't tell me much regarding his alignment. He's also expressed a desire to talk with people (specifically VE) which isn't the most intuitive thing I'd expect a scum smurf to do.

If he thinks that long post is sufficient contribution for the day I'll agree with you that he's likely scum - but I don't see any reason to believe yet that there won't be more material forthcoming from him.

Is there anything else making you lean scum on him? Convince me.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
January 11 2014 13:22 GMT
#593
Yeah OK lemme rephrase that. I don't think you wrote the post pregame, but it contains next to no commitments to what you think anybody's alignments are, which would make my read on you much more solid. Now if you're still playing games in PMs and trying to work out people's alingments, and you don't want to reveal your work yet, that's fine - but I'm hoping that sooner or later you will show your working, so to speak.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
January 12 2014 01:25 GMT
#934
On January 12 2014 08:20 Hopeless1der wrote:
I'm a Mason who is going to serve as the posterchild for a hidden town circle. Vote me mayor. Or yamato...but mostly me.


Mason
You are a town Mason with [Insert player names here], you survived a recent TL Mafia game as town. After said game you are certain of your fellow Mason's alignments. Unfortunately you have a weak constitution so >>>You cannot be protected from night kills<<<


uh... this is a pretty serious problem with that plan.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
January 12 2014 01:37 GMT
#950
@BH: In the hypothetical scenario where we were to make you mayor right now who would you lynch?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
January 12 2014 01:59 GMT
#990
On January 12 2014 10:58 Blazinghand wrote:
Would it be okay for hopeless1 not to have to confirm me? that might be easier in terms of avoiding scum nk

Can you explain to me what difference it makes at this point?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
January 12 2014 02:16 GMT
#1027
On January 12 2014 11:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
let's talk about how derrida is scum

Yeah, OK.

Reasons to think he's scum:
list post, but that's a heuristic in which I have only limited confidence
bases his mayoral preferences first on "enjoying reading their filter because it is srs" and second his read on them

Reasons to think he's town:
I got nuffin, but I do have...

Reasons I'm not certain yet:
he has like 2 posts and being a newbie his thinking about "is this relevant to whether they should be mayor or not" probably isn't expected to be entirely accurate whatever his alignment

tl;dr I'm not certain he's scum but he's a reasonable guess

P.S. will go meta him now re. Marv's statement
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
January 12 2014 02:35 GMT
#1030
On January 12 2014 11:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2014 11:16 Aquanim wrote:
On January 12 2014 11:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
let's talk about how derrida is scum

Yeah, OK.

Reasons to think he's scum:
list post, but that's a heuristic in which I have only limited confidence
bases his mayoral preferences first on "enjoying reading their filter because it is srs" and second his read on them

Reasons to think he's town:
I got nuffin, but I do have...

Reasons I'm not certain yet:
he has like 2 posts and being a newbie his thinking about "is this relevant to whether they should be mayor or not" probably isn't expected to be entirely accurate whatever his alignment

tl;dr I'm not certain he's scum but he's a reasonable guess

P.S. will go meta him now re. Marv's statement

do you have a stronger read on someone else then?

No. I have a couple of similar strength though.

All I see in justanothertownie's two-page filter is kinda pointless oneliners in which he commits to almost nothing. For all I know he's doing work in PMs, but based on his thread presence so far he's another possible scum for me.

This one isn't a scumread as such, but as long as Captain Obvious continues to post only "obvious" stuff and committing to nothing he's going to be next to impossible to read I think.

And then there's the eight or so other lurkers.

Of the active players I reckon at least most are town.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
January 12 2014 02:37 GMT
#1031
Re. Derrida's meta: his listpost in the newbie was quite similar to his start here, but that on its own seems like a pretty superficial thing to base a scumread on. It's entirely plausible to me that he thought it was a good idea as town so in his scumgame he replicated it.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
January 12 2014 02:38 GMT
#1032
EBWOP for the post before last: The conlusion I draw on Captain Obvious is that unless he starts committing to stuff he may have to be policy lynched.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
January 12 2014 02:49 GMT
#1034
On January 12 2014 11:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2014 11:35 Aquanim wrote:
On January 12 2014 11:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On January 12 2014 11:16 Aquanim wrote:
On January 12 2014 11:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
let's talk about how derrida is scum

Yeah, OK.

Reasons to think he's scum:
list post, but that's a heuristic in which I have only limited confidence
bases his mayoral preferences first on "enjoying reading their filter because it is srs" and second his read on them

Reasons to think he's town:
I got nuffin, but I do have...

Reasons I'm not certain yet:
he has like 2 posts and being a newbie his thinking about "is this relevant to whether they should be mayor or not" probably isn't expected to be entirely accurate whatever his alignment

tl;dr I'm not certain he's scum but he's a reasonable guess

P.S. will go meta him now re. Marv's statement

do you have a stronger read on someone else then?

No. I have a couple of similar strength though.

All I see in justanothertownie's two-page filter is kinda pointless oneliners in which he commits to almost nothing. For all I know he's doing work in PMs, but based on his thread presence so far he's another possible scum for me.

This one isn't a scumread as such, but as long as Captain Obvious continues to post only "obvious" stuff and committing to nothing he's going to be next to impossible to read I think.

And then there's the eight or so other lurkers.

Of the active players I reckon at least most are town.

Maybe you could point out the scummy things in my 2 page filter then? Or is my thread presence the only reason for your read? You don't even have one filter page and call other people lurkers...

I already did. Your filter may be longer than mine but you haven't contributed a single read to the thread.

And yes, I'm aware with my filter length calling people out for lurking is a shade hypocritical. I have two answers:
1) I'm pretty sure there's at least half a dozen people with filters shorter than mine
2) Just because I'm a hypocrite doesn't make it any less true. Deal with it.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
January 12 2014 03:11 GMT
#1037
On January 12 2014 12:06 justanothertownie wrote:
I mean did you ever talk about that? Skimming through your filter I just saw your "maybe scummy maybe not" read on Derrida and your baseless attack against me.

Until a mayoral aspirant actually says "I want to lynch X" I don't have a whole lot to pick and choose between them.
In answer to your question though... I'd prefer yamato over rayn since while I reckon they're both probably town I get along with yamato better. DocH apparently doesn't want the job now, but if he did I could live with that too. (He's also town.)

What exactly do you mean by "baseless attack"? Do you contest my statement that you've provided no reads and committed to basically no positions, or do you contest that that makes you likely scum?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
January 12 2014 03:24 GMT
#1039
On January 12 2014 12:15 justanothertownie wrote:
I contest that it makes me scum and if you are primarily looking for scum then I am surprised you didn't find anything better if you are town.

Let me get this straight. You're saying that if I find somebody who in one and a half pages of filter hasn't given a read on anybody, meaning that they've made no committments that their future play will have to be consistent with, that isn't a good reason to have a scumread on them?

Is this seriously the argument which you are making?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
January 12 2014 03:39 GMT
#1042
On January 12 2014 12:33 justanothertownie wrote:
If we would be talking about a normal game you would probably be right. But this is a mayor game.
If you want to hear my reads you could question me you know? But you didn't do that. You did not try to figure out my alignment and instead just threw shit on me.

See, the thing is that if somebody accused me in the way that I just accused you, as a townie I would not have attacked them back. I would have thought "hey, they have a point. I should post my reads and convince them I have actually been thinking about the game."

Also, just because this is a mayor-election day doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about who is scum.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
January 12 2014 04:02 GMT
#1048
On January 12 2014 12:55 Mocsta wrote:
Hmmmm

Aquanim. Why the need to counter a derrida wagon before it gains momentum?

Why not let it evolve organically.. I.e. let derrida speak for himself.

Do you not find it odd he posts freely in one fame and struggles in the other?
Exacerbated by a similar summary/list post to his scum opener.
Why go to that effort and then spoiler it too.?

Don't get me wrong, I still think Derrida has a lot to prove to us. He's given me no reason to think he's a townie yet.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
January 12 2014 04:13 GMT
#1051
On January 12 2014 13:04 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2014 12:49 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 12 2014 12:47 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 12 2014 12:39 Aquanim wrote:
On January 12 2014 12:33 justanothertownie wrote:
If we would be talking about a normal game you would probably be right. But this is a mayor game.
If you want to hear my reads you could question me you know? But you didn't do that. You did not try to figure out my alignment and instead just threw shit on me.

See, the thing is that if somebody accused me in the way that I just accused you, as a townie I would not have attacked them back. I would have thought "hey, they have a point. I should post my reads and convince them I have actually been thinking about the game."

Also, just because this is a mayor-election day doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about who is scum.

The bolded is obviously true but it is of secondary importance to me right now.
If someone who looked townie accused me I probably would have reacted that way. But it was you who did next to nothing himself and to me it looks really suspicious that my lack of public reads is the scummiest thing you found in this game.


what in your opinion is the scummiest thing in the game?

Good question. I thought some things BH said were pretty scummy but that was probably wrong obviously... and call it OMGUS but I think Aquanims wishy washy stance on Derrida (he himself felt the need to answer the question about Derrida which was directed at everyone and then only came up with this inconclusive statement - why even say anything about it then?) + his attack against me is scummy too.
If someone wants my opinion on something/someone just ask me. It's not hard...
But I have to leave for real now.

DoctorH asked for opinions on Derrida - I gave mine, 1) to show that I'm thinking about the game and 2) as a starting point for discussion in which myself and others can try to convince one another that our view is correct (and hopefully reach the correct conclusion re. Derrida's alignment).

At present I'm not certain what Derrida's alignment is - dunno why you'd expect me to be from the handful of posts he's made. If I had strong, certain reads on everybody the game would be easy. And it's not.

You'll also have to try harder than that to make an argument why me pushing you for posting no reads is scummy.
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