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angry_maia
Profile Joined August 2020
327 Posts
January 26 2024 16:00 GMT
#21
On January 26 2024 17:00 Neptuneajax wrote:
I think the real question is: Who can beat Serral?


Clem or ZvZ (although Serral's zvz has been looking pretty scary).
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4415 Posts
January 26 2024 16:50 GMT
#22
On January 26 2024 18:56 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2024 16:46 Argonauta wrote:
On January 26 2024 11:12 TossHeroes wrote:
Goat Serral winning via the hardest path as usual


I mean, he got the weakest group.


I mean, he got the highest seed


Like when Maru was the highest seed and he got Reynor/Clem/Byun in his group. Even Zoun would be harder than any of Serral's opponents besides Byun.
esReveR
Profile Joined February 2010
United States567 Posts
January 26 2024 19:03 GMT
#23
I gotta go with the hottest player right now. Clem has been playing incredibly well lately.
Skill is relative.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
January 26 2024 23:25 GMT
#24
On January 27 2024 04:03 esReveR wrote:
I gotta go with the hottest player right now. Clem has been playing incredibly well lately.

He has but I still feel a bad day at the office in TvT/P can sink him. He’s definitely stepping up to that next level these last few months

More than most years I think it’s really going to depend on how brackets go.

I think there’s a bunch wholly capable of triumphing here, the most individually likely I’d have to be boring and pick Serral. He’s so consistent, basically unbeatable in ZvP and you have to play very well indeed to beat him in the other two. Even his ‘weak’ ZvZ is only really thus judged by his lofty standards.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2573 Posts
January 27 2024 02:25 GMT
#25
I think it'll be Clem -- he's still on the rise.
xiaodangao
Profile Joined August 2022
5 Posts
January 27 2024 04:19 GMT
#26
Oliveira, of course he can do it!
washikie
Profile Joined February 2011
United States752 Posts
January 27 2024 20:51 GMT
#27
CLEM
"when life gives Hero lemons he makes carriers" -Artosis
SharkStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria2251 Posts
January 28 2024 10:09 GMT
#28
The real question is: will there be a protoss in the ro8??
Cogito, ergo Toss
angry_maia
Profile Joined August 2020
327 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-01-28 10:47:44
January 28 2024 10:47 GMT
#29
On January 28 2024 19:09 SharkStarcraft wrote:
The real question is: will there be a protoss in the ro8??


Oh most definitely. But it'll be like Showtime and they'll get 3-1'd by someone like Solar and eliminated
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3448 Posts
January 28 2024 14:58 GMT
#30
On January 28 2024 19:47 angry_maia wrote:
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On January 28 2024 19:09 SharkStarcraft wrote:
The real question is: will there be a protoss in the ro8??


Oh most definitely. But it'll be like Showtime and they'll get 3-1'd by someone like Solar and eliminated

herO looking very strong in MC but that group D is damn deadly, and Dark style is even deadlier in a Bo3 format. Other than him, its Astrea/Skillous/Firefly for a Ro12 appearance, but they will need some luck to make it pass that round.
Locutus_
Profile Joined August 2023
Brazil65 Posts
January 28 2024 15:28 GMT
#31
On January 28 2024 23:58 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2024 19:47 angry_maia wrote:
On January 28 2024 19:09 SharkStarcraft wrote:
The real question is: will there be a protoss in the ro8??


Oh most definitely. But it'll be like Showtime and they'll get 3-1'd by someone like Solar and eliminated

herO looking very strong in MC but that group D is damn deadly, and Dark style is even deadlier in a Bo3 format. Other than him, its Astrea/Skillous/Firefly for a Ro12 appearance, but they will need some luck to make it pass that round.


I think Firefly goes through. Feeling it
CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1849 Posts
January 28 2024 16:06 GMT
#32
i think it will probably be herO. his style is very micro based so its hard to make it work in online high ping environments. getting 2nd in MC7 is a big feat.
Remember that we all come from a place of passion!!
Nasigil
Profile Joined July 2023
137 Posts
January 28 2024 19:00 GMT
#33
On January 26 2024 15:11 luxon wrote:
after watching today's games it's gotta be serral. completely outclassed maru and on a good day he beats clem. only reynor/zergs can take him if he gets unlucky. and jesus after watching how poorly herO and maxpax played, any protoss would be lucky to reach ro16.


Honestly, it's Clem that needs to have a good day to be able to beat Serral, not vice versa. Serral 14:4 Clem in series for the past two years.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
January 28 2024 19:48 GMT
#34
On January 29 2024 04:00 Nasigil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2024 15:11 luxon wrote:
after watching today's games it's gotta be serral. completely outclassed maru and on a good day he beats clem. only reynor/zergs can take him if he gets unlucky. and jesus after watching how poorly herO and maxpax played, any protoss would be lucky to reach ro16.


Honestly, it's Clem that needs to have a good day to be able to beat Serral, not vice versa. Serral 14:4 Clem in series for the past two years.

Yeah and there’s a high chance it’s not just Serral he has to come through, even in his best matchup, Reynor and Dark can take him down and he might have to run a gauntlet through more than one, maybe all of them.

Haven’t actually checked so I might be way off, I seem to remember Dark actually having a pretty good record against him, maybe his style matches up better than Serral/Reynor who kind of give him some room to turn it into a straight up mechanical slugfest, where he’s clearly a monster
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1248 Posts
January 28 2024 22:56 GMT
#35
On January 29 2024 01:06 CicadaSC wrote:
i think it will probably be herO. his style is very micro based so its hard to make it work in online high ping environments. getting 2nd in MC7 is a big feat.


Honestly? I will not surprised with whatever place herO eventually gets. Wins the thing without dropping a map? Sure, why not. Dropping out last in Group Stage? Well, that was expected.
I really stopped trying to predict where herO will land. Usually I see him as one of the Top 8 in every tournament, but so often he just kinda bombs out early, usually dropped by players you normally wouldn't expect him to lose against. Dude is just constantly over- and underrated at the same time
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
-KG-
Profile Joined October 2012
Denmark1218 Posts
January 29 2024 10:17 GMT
#36
I predict a T or Z with approximately 100% chance for that outcome
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Nasigil
Profile Joined July 2023
137 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-01-29 13:42:13
January 29 2024 13:41 GMT
#37
On January 29 2024 04:48 WombaT wrote:

Yeah and there’s a high chance it’s not just Serral he has to come through, even in his best matchup, Reynor and Dark can take him down and he might have to run a gauntlet through more than one, maybe all of them.

Haven’t actually checked so I might be way off, I seem to remember Dark actually having a pretty good record against him, maybe his style matches up better than Serral/Reynor who kind of give him some room to turn it into a straight up mechanical slugfest, where he’s clearly a monster


There's a big division point in 2023. Before 2023, Dark 8:3 Clem in series; after 2023, Dark 6:18 Clem.

Dark can occasionally catch Clem off guard with some unusual tactics, but he had no chance going fair macro against Clem at this point of his career.
Gluon
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands405 Posts
January 29 2024 14:11 GMT
#38
I'm really hoping for Clem, but since WTL he hasn't looked that unbeatable anymore, while Serral has looked completely untouchable.

It's really had to look at MC, where Serral went something like 17-1 in maps (!) in the play-offs, against the very best in the world, and think he will lose anytime soon. He might drop a few maps or even a series in the group but he will advance either way, and after that I don't have much hope for anyone trying to beat him.
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Ciaus237
Profile Joined July 2015
South Africa286 Posts
January 29 2024 17:06 GMT
#39
Serral's odds of winning are, IMO, a lot higher than the odds of any other one player. The real questions here are how likely it is Serral wins, and if Serral doesn't, whose the most likely of the rest?

The time that we kill keeps us alive
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
January 29 2024 17:33 GMT
#40
Kelazhur, easily
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