EPTClassic's triple Oracle start does absolutely nothing against a few Cyclones and he stayed on pure gateway tech way too long to handle mass Marauder. That style might work well against opponents that he outclasses but that wasn't the case today.
Maru advances to Code S Grand Finals, defeating Classic 4-…
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Nezgar
Germany535 Posts
Classic's triple Oracle start does absolutely nothing against a few Cyclones and he stayed on pure gateway tech way too long to handle mass Marauder. That style might work well against opponents that he outclasses but that wasn't the case today. | ||
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Darkness2k11
Chile313 Posts
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TerranYourAss
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Jerom
Netherlands588 Posts
On June 16 2018 19:15 Shuffleblade wrote: While Classic did make some mistakes (so did Maru) I feel Classic played well with few mistakes. Maru played out of his mind though, the way he flawlessly controlled an army of MMM, ghost and liberators with beatiful splits and concaves to boot looked almost impossible to pull off. Classics strategy of going templars every game was questionable but I wonder what mistakes you allude to besides his Oracles getting caught a few times but only once sloppily. Edit: Just personal opinion and genuinely curious. In game 2 classic did take a lot of damage to the early harass. Then, after the first big push from maru he's pretty poorly macroed, floating tons of gas. I feel like if he had the macro to spend those resources on 3-5 more HT throughout the fights (and especually before he slightly overcommits) he could have stablized, even though he took a lot of damage early on. Game 3 was just a failed cheese. Maru somehow got 8 probes with his reaper because hes a literal god. In game 4 I felt like classic got pretty far ahead in the opening BO. Marus drops seemed to be an equalizing opportunity but then classic kills two medivacs. After that I swore maru was dead, but good decision making (skipping 2-2) allowed maru to get even in army and then three incredible engagements allowed maru to somehow close out the game. Game 5 was classic overreacting to that 'cheese', and then being a bit too predictable with the amount of oracles he made throughout the series. I feel like if you make a few phoenix you'll just counter these cyclone pushes. Instead classic made oracles which are pretty bad against cyclones. | ||
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dummy1
420 Posts
Also, in my opinion... Zest has a weak chin at macro games. | ||
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rrrzzz
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TerranYourAss
5 Posts
On June 17 2018 09:56 rrrzzz wrote: Maru 4:0 Zest. The only terran in top 8 of WCS korea ranking Isn't TY top 5 now? | ||
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Elentos
55569 Posts
TY is 7th. So the two best Terrans are both in top 8. | ||
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On June 16 2018 23:26 Olli wrote: I think he also matches up better stylistically against Maru than Classic does. Plays very different openers, with a few quite nasty all-ins of his own creation mixed in. Robo first, phoenix/charge for example are styles that Zest mixes in that I think could do very well against Maru. Also something like his immortal/prism all in. Should be a good match! Zest is capable of great things and we all know it. He's also been on the uptick and he'll obviously be working hard to find any weaknesses in Maru's play. Historically, he's had a very clean style that can shut down players like Maru who historically thrived on good micro and making things a bit crazy. There are definitely some reasons to have hope that Zest will make it a close series. But seeing the way Maru shut down Classic, I'd consider a Zest victory to be a huge upset. If Zest can take more than 1 game off Maru and make any other games look close, I'd consider that a surprising show of strength on Zest's part. Coming into Maru-Classic, the ONLY thing I thought I could predict about the outcome was that if Maru won, it would be a close series and really hard-fought. My predictions this season have been pretty off at times. We might see a really close series, or maybe Zest will just sweep Maru 4-0 for all I know, but my guess is that Maru will completely mop the floor with him. | ||
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bObA
France300 Posts
Imo Classic and SoS are the most impredictable and hard to play protoss in the PVT match ups But Maru showed us he is really good and at the moment he is even better than TY and INnovation who are so great players. I am really looking forward to seeing the finals | ||
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ScrappyRabbit
200 Posts
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Kuleto
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On June 18 2018 05:39 ScrappyRabbit wrote: I don't want to make a full thread until the finals are over because I don't want to count Zest out, but I think Maru has been playing the best SC2 I've ever seen from the past GSL through now. I've been watching since Nestea vs. Inca in the finals, and this is as good as it gets. Early-game, mid-game, late-game, micro, macro, decision-making, build orders, he's just on the highest possible level. Better than MVP, better than Inno, better than Life, better than anyone. They just nerfed the raven because of him! And he's still winning everything! Amazing. Zest is still gonna take him out | ||
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RealityTheGreat
China564 Posts
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zealotstim
United States455 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On June 18 2018 14:30 zealotstim wrote: I think you can definitely predict some crazy stuff out of Zest to try to beat Maru. Chances are some of it will work. I imagine he will play with TY a lot too, which is the best partner he could have. Should be a good series! Maru will be practicing with sOs, the guy who wrote the book on crazy stuff. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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Nezgar
Germany535 Posts
On June 18 2018 05:39 ScrappyRabbit wrote: I don't want to make a full thread until the finals are over because I don't want to count Zest out, but I think Maru has been playing the best SC2 I've ever seen from the past GSL through now. I've been watching since Nestea vs. Inca in the finals, and this is as good as it gets. Early-game, mid-game, late-game, micro, macro, decision-making, build orders, he's just on the highest possible level. Better than MVP, better than Inno, better than Life, better than anyone. They just nerfed the raven because of him! And he's still winning everything! Amazing. They didn't nerf the Raven because of him. The nerfed the Raven because in its previous iteration it was a unit that led to absolutely unpleasant games both to watch and to play. That was not a decision of balance but of design and that has nothing to do with Maru. We have seen other players do the same thing before he did and while certainly to a less successful extent, definitely not to a less extreme. You can go ahead and make fanboy thread after the finals in case he dominates that one. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 18 2018 15:39 Nezgar wrote: They didn't nerf the Raven because of him. The nerfed the Raven because in its previous iteration it was a unit that led to absolutely unpleasant games both to watch and to play. That was not a decision of balance but of design and that has nothing to do with Maru. We have seen other players do the same thing before he did and while certainly to a less successful extent, definitely not to a less extreme. You can go ahead and make fanboy thread after the finals in case he dominates that one. Maru was certainly the first player to do anything special with mass ravens though. On the big stage that is. His lategame was almost unbeaten before the nerf. | ||
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