• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 02:27
CET 08:27
KST 16:27
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump0Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15[BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D)4Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win3
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4) BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win
Tourneys
StarCraft2.fi 15th Anniversary Cup Tenacious Turtle Tussle Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14! StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress Mutation # 500 Fright night
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Foreign Brood War Data analysis on 70 million replays MBCGame Torrents
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO16 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile ZeroSpace Megathread The Perfect Game
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Survivor II: The Amazon Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Big Programming Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream? The Automated Ban List
Blogs
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
Physical Exertion During Gam…
TrAiDoS
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1500 users

I Was Wrong About Maru - Page 2

Forum Index > SC2 General
70 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
SCHWARZENEGGER
Profile Joined July 2016
206 Posts
April 04 2018 06:57 GMT
#21
On April 04 2018 13:31 jy_9876543210 wrote:
Is he a patchterran now?


too late for an april fools joke
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
April 04 2018 07:20 GMT
#22
On April 04 2018 09:01 pvsnp wrote:
It's great to see Maru on top of the world again. It's always wonderful when one of the OG pros wins something but the fact that it's MaruPrime, the child prodigy, the little psychopath, and so forth, makes it all the sweeter. As somebody who always had a rather lackluster trophy cabinet compared to the influence he exerted on the scene, watching him fix that discrepancy has been especially fitting. He carried the torch in some very dark times during HotS, and it's been a treat to watch him carry it again in LotV. Maru, the Fourth Race, unhindered by the capricious whims of balance.

He's certainly come a very long way from those early days on Prime. No idea where he goes from here, or how long he can keep this up, but I for one am eager to find out.

^This, well written.

Maru has been my favorite player since 2015, to the point that I doubt I will ever be as big of a fanboy of any other sportsman. There's just something special about him and how ruthlessly he plays, reminds me of Bomber.

In regards of the article I think it should go under bloggs, its more about the writer than about Maru.
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3463 Posts
April 04 2018 07:40 GMT
#23
My guess would be that Rogue has extremely high standards when it comes to hard work, ever since his practice spree towards Blizzcon. So if Maru just casually plays 7 hours a day it would be seen as slacking off.
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
Zephyp
Profile Joined April 2013
238 Posts
April 04 2018 07:40 GMT
#24
On April 04 2018 14:01 MrRee wrote:
Same clickbait 'author' that was comically wrong about "The Emperor". Perhaps you should stop writing articles about the skill level of players.

Half the articles bash players and the other half takes it back after said player wins something. That's what happened when you convince yourself of something that's impossible to predict.

Maybe he does it on purpose to generate clicks. Being controversial is not uncommon among people writing articles.

User was temp banned for this post.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12906 Posts
April 04 2018 07:42 GMT
#25
Weren't you wrong a bunch of times already tho?
Weird article.

It's about time Maru is dominant again with such mechanics.
WriterMaru
Aunvilgodess
Profile Joined May 2016
954 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-04 07:59:21
April 04 2018 07:57 GMT
#26
You stopped believing and you still have the nerve to write articles?

But yeah thats the reason Ive been a long time fan too. In game he just runs into the enemy until he eventually wins. Its so refreshingly mechanical.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33497 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-04 08:02:13
April 04 2018 08:02 GMT
#27
On April 04 2018 16:40 Zephyp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2018 14:01 MrRee wrote:
Same clickbait 'author' that was comically wrong about "The Emperor". Perhaps you should stop writing articles about the skill level of players.

Half the articles bash players and the other half takes it back after said player wins something. That's what happened when you convince yourself of something that's impossible to predict.


Sounds like he's a fan like everyone else
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
xongnox
Profile Joined November 2011
540 Posts
April 04 2018 08:45 GMT
#28
Maru saved his fame and glory, but sadly he didn't save Terran, because he didn't save TvP.
44% vs Korean protoss post-blizcon. And that include his TvSoS and his bag of tricks vs Stats.

Still, his GSL victory is even more impressive when know how much he struggles vs toss. He didn't play one standard game in finale, and still managed to take a BO7. Tbh Stats didn't appear in his most stellar form. Maru was since a along time a formidable BO1 player but his series play was kinda meh, but now he play them great.
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
April 04 2018 08:48 GMT
#29
I don't think this version of Maru is the old Maru. He is actually much much better. He does not rely on his micro that much no more. He is still very aggressive and throws a cheese in quite often, but his playstyle is so much more refined. I actually think he surpassed Inno in macro, and once the former micro-monster Maru can macro like an absolute god, then how to stop him?
He even thinks a lot more on his builds, isn't throwing away units needlessly in a senseless aggression attempts (THIS WAS ACTUALLY HIS BIGGEST WEAKNESS for ETERNITY), knows when to pull back. That is fantastic to see, he matured so much !

His only weakness right now is defense against weird cheesy builds. He got a lot better here as well, but anyway this is the area of the game he will never be perfect at. And I am fine with that, that is just a small price to pay for such an interesting explosive playstyle. Cant wait for the Super Tournament ! Hoping for a Maru vs Rogue final
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
April 04 2018 09:07 GMT
#30
I never completely lost faith in the possibility of Maru coming back, I think. Maybe because he's still so young I expected him to have this hick up, him needing to mature a bit more. I remember Valdes commenting on Maru not practicing much which might have emphasized this feeling. "One day Maru is going to take this thing seriously again and he'll return to form". Idk I was never really worried about him returning to show his true potential as I am with Zest for example.

Hmm, now I'm thinking about it I was (and still am) worried about one thing stopping his come back: His wrists. How bad is it? I'm sure pain in your wrists doesn't motivate you to practice much either. I'm curious about Maru's thought about all this.. Wax? :o
I Protoss winner, could it be?
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
April 04 2018 09:12 GMT
#31
On April 04 2018 18:07 Penev wrote:
I never completely lost faith in the possibility of Maru coming back, I think. Maybe because he's still so young I expected him to have this hick up, him needing to mature a bit more. I remember Valdes commenting on Maru not practicing much which might have emphasized this feeling. "One day Maru is going to take this thing seriously again and he'll return to form". Idk I was never really worried about him returning to show his true potential as I am with Zest for example.

Hmm, now I'm thinking about it I was (and still am) worried about one thing stopping his come back: His wrists. How bad is it? I'm sure pain in your wrists doesn't motivate you to practice much either. I'm curious about Maru's thought about all this.. Wax? :o



He does not seem to have any issues with his wrists anymore. My opinion is that this is just another benefit of his revamped playstyle. He does not play as micro heavy as he used to, so hopefully his wrists will be fine
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12906 Posts
April 04 2018 09:13 GMT
#32
On April 04 2018 17:45 xongnox wrote:
Maru saved his fame and glory, but sadly he didn't save Terran, because he didn't save TvP.
44% vs Korean protoss post-blizcon. And that include his TvSoS and his bag of tricks vs Stats.

Still, his GSL victory is even more impressive when know how much he struggles vs toss. He didn't play one standard game in finale, and still managed to take a BO7. Tbh Stats didn't appear in his most stellar form. Maru was since a along time a formidable BO1 player but his series play was kinda meh, but now he play them great.

Wasn't a bunch of these games when protoss was notoriously OP which resulted in a nerf of stalkers?

WriterMaru
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
April 04 2018 09:15 GMT
#33
On April 04 2018 16:40 Zephyp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2018 14:01 MrRee wrote:
Same clickbait 'author' that was comically wrong about "The Emperor". Perhaps you should stop writing articles about the skill level of players.

Half the articles bash players and the other half takes it back after said player wins something. That's what happened when you convince yourself of something that's impossible to predict.

Maybe he does it on purpose to generate clicks. Being controversial is not uncommon among people writing articles.

Or maybe you only like save and bland.

And to exaggerate.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
leublix
Profile Joined May 2017
493 Posts
April 04 2018 09:15 GMT
#34
On April 04 2018 17:45 xongnox wrote:
Maru saved his fame and glory, but sadly he didn't save Terran, because he didn't save TvP.
44% vs Korean protoss post-blizcon. And that include his TvSoS and his bag of tricks vs Stats.

Since the latest balance patch he is 5-2 in offline series (14-11 in games). That doesn't seem like struggling.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
April 04 2018 09:30 GMT
#35
On April 04 2018 18:12 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2018 18:07 Penev wrote:
I never completely lost faith in the possibility of Maru coming back, I think. Maybe because he's still so young I expected him to have this hick up, him needing to mature a bit more. I remember Valdes commenting on Maru not practicing much which might have emphasized this feeling. "One day Maru is going to take this thing seriously again and he'll return to form". Idk I was never really worried about him returning to show his true potential as I am with Zest for example.

Hmm, now I'm thinking about it I was (and still am) worried about one thing stopping his come back: His wrists. How bad is it? I'm sure pain in your wrists doesn't motivate you to practice much either. I'm curious about Maru's thought about all this.. Wax? :o



He does not seem to have any issues with his wrists anymore. My opinion is that this is just another benefit of his revamped playstyle. He does not play as micro heavy as he used to, so hopefully his wrists will be fine

I don't think I saw him wag his wrists during and after his recent games, which is a good sign. The long practice hiatus might have healed everything up nicely. For now at least, these kind of problems tend to never really go away.

Or maybe it was never really that bad (that much worse than most others have it) to begin with. It just looked worse because of the horrible posture he had, that was just painful to watch.

I Protoss winner, could it be?
Freeborn
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany421 Posts
April 04 2018 10:20 GMT
#36
Great play from maru.

ruthless describes him well lol, he just abuses every tactical advantage he can get. And seems to be the only one to realize how powerful speed banshees and ravens can be.

Was really impressive to watch.
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
April 04 2018 10:55 GMT
#37
Nice article. Been following Maru pretty much from the beginning, but recently he made me a fan of him!!

There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
xongnox
Profile Joined November 2011
540 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-04 11:34:31
April 04 2018 11:14 GMT
#38
On April 04 2018 18:15 leublix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2018 17:45 xongnox wrote:
Maru saved his fame and glory, but sadly he didn't save Terran, because he didn't save TvP.
44% vs Korean protoss post-blizcon. And that include his TvSoS and his bag of tricks vs Stats.

Since the latest balance patch he is 5-2 in offline series (14-11 in games). That doesn't seem like struggling.


He still win only by tricks & cheese, and that's a very few games. And for his god-level of best player ever, and his TvP HoTs legacy, 14-11 or 56% is not that good, especially compared to his TvT and TvZ. He even can't win Has without 1basing himself.
For information, Classic is at 80% in games and 90% in series vs Korean terrans post-blizcon. That's good MU stats for a champion. (luckily enough for Maru, Classic_vs_Z is not at the same level :D )
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-04 12:31:12
April 04 2018 12:21 GMT
#39
I am a big maru fan and never really stopped believing because i think he regularly showed excellence in his play. Maybe vs worse opposition or only in bo1s, but i still had the feeling at least that he can win vs anyone. (to a fault though, losing points on maru in liquibets wasn't that fun )
Very happy to see that he matured in his play now though, he can basically play any style (very aggressive early or mid, also super lategame, micro and multitaskign focused, etc) and his boX play has improved as well.
Super tournament is close, maru might be the best player in the world again, let's see what this 20 year old kid can do.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
April 04 2018 18:45 GMT
#40
On April 04 2018 08:21 Mizenhauer wrote:
Not wrong in my logic, of course. After all, I had watched hundreds of games and thousands of hours of StarCraft II, and I knew how things worked.

It seems wrong to disregard Maru of the basis of how other players tend to peak and fall-off. Like him or not, he's still one of the biggest phenomenons of sc2. Neither his gameplay or results have ever followed the norm.

Plus even at his worst he's still capable of beating anyone. People say his 2016 was tragic but he had the greatest proleague run of all time, as well as some of the worst GSL bracket luck of all time. His 2017 was lackluster but but he still had his share of amazing games in there.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 33m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft518
SortOf 144
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 1020
firebathero 702
Larva 277
PianO 268
910 140
Leta 95
Shine 77
JulyZerg 65
Bale 51
Soma 36
[ Show more ]
Movie 26
Dota 2
monkeys_forever767
NeuroSwarm120
League of Legends
JimRising 625
C9.Mang0157
Counter-Strike
m0e_tv432
Super Smash Bros
Westballz15
Other Games
summit1g8982
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick615
BasetradeTV178
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 53
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1407
• Lourlo1055
Other Games
• Scarra854
Upcoming Events
WardiTV 2025
4h 33m
StarCraft2.fi
8h 33m
PiGosaur Monday
17h 33m
StarCraft2.fi
1d 9h
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
1d 16h
The PondCast
2 days
WardiTV 2025
2 days
StarCraft2.fi
2 days
WardiTV 2025
3 days
StarCraft2.fi
4 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
4 days
IPSL
4 days
Sziky vs JDConan
RSL Revival
5 days
Classic vs TBD
herO vs Zoun
WardiTV 2025
5 days
IPSL
5 days
Tarson vs DragOn
Wardi Open
6 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS3
RSL Revival: Season 3
Kuram Kup

Ongoing

IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
RSL Offline Finals
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.