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[WCS] Winter Championship 2016 - Preview - Page 4

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Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9391 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-02 18:52:06
March 02 2016 16:24 GMT
#61
On March 03 2016 01:01 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
Personally, I think the main issue is that it's entirely unclear how to rank everything given that we've still barely seen anyone from WCS in meaningful competition. Dreamhack is the only offline competition we've had this year, and frankly HSC and especially DHW are somewhat meaningless right now.

No one in WCS is good enough to beat everyone they face when in poor form, and no one in WCS is consistent enough to allow confidence when you say "this player should beat this player"

So PR-ing this is basically all about what conditions you personally set, and depending on how much importance you give certain things, like hots vs lotv achievements, or online vs offline, you can end up with wildly different rankings


One thing I didn't like that much in the article was that the top players were seperated into multiple different categories. Typically that indicates that there is a big level difference, and I wasn't sure whether someone like Showtime should be two levels/categories below Ptitdrogo.

I would probably put Hydra, Polt and Nerchio in their own category, and then I would have top4-14 (or so) in their own category.

Marinelord should be 4th, but in general he is a bit overrated after his all kill vs Korea. While he did play well during those games, Parting and Innovation went full retard in all of their games. His record vs top foreigners is significantly worse than that of Nerchio, so I don't think he should be in the same tier.

Another player that seems quite overrated is Harstem. I think he should be on the bottom end of the list.
Ensiferum8
Profile Joined March 2014
Canada103 Posts
March 02 2016 17:42 GMT
#62
viewer counts is quite disappointing. I was expecting way more for WCS.

Good indicator that the new racist rule was a failure. Considering the low quality of game played.
WCS is a shitty joke, with racist rules. Support players who deserves it instead of foreigner scrubs who dont work half as much as koreans. JUN TAEYANG IS THE BEST <3
Kafka777
Profile Joined December 2015
361 Posts
March 02 2016 18:49 GMT
#63
viewer counts is quite disappointing. I was expecting way more for WCS.

Good indicator that the new racist rule was a failure. Considering the low quality of game played.


Viewership is not bad for a Wednesday evening ro. 32. There is nothing racist about the rules. Games are fantastic :-)
InsidiA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1169 Posts
March 02 2016 22:33 GMT
#64
MaSa breaks the power ranking. woo
GraphicsInsidiA | StarCraft 2 Manager for Team eLevate | Graphic Designer for Red Bull eSports & HTC | @iamjasonpun
Ensiferum8
Profile Joined March 2014
Canada103 Posts
March 03 2016 21:16 GMT
#65
On March 03 2016 03:49 Kafka777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
viewer counts is quite disappointing. I was expecting way more for WCS.

Good indicator that the new racist rule was a failure. Considering the low quality of game played.


Viewership is not bad for a Wednesday evening ro. 32. There is nothing racist about the rules. Games are fantastic :-)
banning all koreans from foreign tournaments because they are too good is not racist?

What is it?

Its not like they were born with 3 hands, or their skills were due to genetics. They just work harder, train harder, and get punish for it.
WCS is a shitty joke, with racist rules. Support players who deserves it instead of foreigner scrubs who dont work half as much as koreans. JUN TAEYANG IS THE BEST <3
MaCRo.gg
Profile Joined June 2015
Korea (South)860 Posts
March 05 2016 16:38 GMT
#66
On March 04 2016 06:16 Ensiferum8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 03:49 Kafka777 wrote:
viewer counts is quite disappointing. I was expecting way more for WCS.

Good indicator that the new racist rule was a failure. Considering the low quality of game played.


Viewership is not bad for a Wednesday evening ro. 32. There is nothing racist about the rules. Games are fantastic :-)
banning all koreans from foreign tournaments because they are too good is not racist?

What is it?

Its not like they were born with 3 hands, or their skills were due to genetics. They just work harder, train harder, and get punish for it.


It is racist as hell and disgusting, but racist is in style in America right now. Just look at Trump. Just a bunch of racist, hateful bigots being butthurt about not being rewarded for being lazy assholes.

User was temp banned for this post.
Kafka777
Profile Joined December 2015
361 Posts
March 06 2016 14:38 GMT
#67
banning all koreans from foreign tournaments because they are too good is not racist?

What is it?

Its not like they were born with 3 hands, or their skills were due to genetics. They just work harder, train harder, and get punish for it.


Koreans are not banned, they just require appropriate visas to participate. In fact a Korean just won this WCS. Europeans would also require visas to participate in Korean tournaments.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
March 06 2016 14:45 GMT
#68
On March 06 2016 23:38 Kafka777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
banning all koreans from foreign tournaments because they are too good is not racist?

What is it?

Its not like they were born with 3 hands, or their skills were due to genetics. They just work harder, train harder, and get punish for it.


Koreans are not banned, they just require appropriate visas to participate. In fact a Korean just won this WCS. Europeans would also require visas to participate in Korean tournaments.

nope, anyone can sign up for GSL or SSL. Blizzard just wants to avoid more cases of B-teamers coming to WCS and humiliating foreigners
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Ppjack
Profile Joined March 2015
Belgium489 Posts
March 06 2016 14:50 GMT
#69
On March 06 2016 01:38 MaCRo.gg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 06:16 Ensiferum8 wrote:
On March 03 2016 03:49 Kafka777 wrote:
viewer counts is quite disappointing. I was expecting way more for WCS.

Good indicator that the new racist rule was a failure. Considering the low quality of game played.


Viewership is not bad for a Wednesday evening ro. 32. There is nothing racist about the rules. Games are fantastic :-)
banning all koreans from foreign tournaments because they are too good is not racist?

What is it?

Its not like they were born with 3 hands, or their skills were due to genetics. They just work harder, train harder, and get punish for it.


It is racist as hell and disgusting, but racist is in style in America right now. Just look at Trump. Just a bunch of racist, hateful bigots being butthurt about not being rewarded for being lazy assholes.

User was temp banned for this post.


"Temp" banned ??
This deserves 10 life bans wtf...
<;o)
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