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Russian Federation421 Posts
On May 30 2015 03:58 DevotioN_00 wrote:
Ever Heart of the Swarm was released, every GSL finals has featured one or more player who would go on to join SK Telecom T1, was a current member of SK Telecom T1, or was previously a member of SK Telecom T1.
2013 WCS Season 1 Korea
Runner up - STX INnoVation
Winner - Woongjin Stars Soulkey
Both of these players went on to join SK Telecom with Soulkey joining in 2013, and INoVation joining in 2014.
I am not including the second season of the 2013 WCS Korea, because the event was run by Ongamenet, even though the runner up of this even was an SK Telecom T1 player, Rain.
2013 WCS Season 3 Korea
Runner up - SK Telecom T1 soO
Winner - SouL Dear
This was also the beginning of soO's GSL run, where he was the finalist for 4 season in a row.
2014 Global StarCraft II League Season 1
Runner up - SK Telecom T1 soO
Winner - KT Rolster Zest
2014 Global StarCraft II League Season 2
Runner up - SK Telecom T1 soO
Winner - SK Telecom T1 Classic
2014 Global StarCraft II League Season 3
Runner up - SK Telecom T1 soO
Winner - SK Telecom T1 INnoVation
2015 Global StarCraft II League Season 1
Runner up - yoe Flash Wolves PartinG
Winner - KT Rolster Life
PartinG was a former player for SK Telecom, playing with them from 2013 to 2014
Correlation doesn't mean causation. Also using players who would be in SKT in future makes these stats totally useless even for incorrect predictions.
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On May 30 2015 07:49 DevotioN_00 wrote:
soO and Rain both joined SKT back in Brood War and never accomplished anything worthwhile until after they switched to SC2.
Rain (By.Sun then) I think won Rookie of the year and I always rated him as a useful and talented player (didn't he all-kill a team in Proleague once?). soO was an SKT Zerg...
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How is counting Innovation and Soulkey from 2013 even relevant? If you're trying to show that SKT1 breeds and nurtures future champions, what do those 2 results show other than they bought 2 former champions and that they had the money to do so? It'd be like claiming Life's past wins for KT before he was on the team as somehow something to do with them.
And didn't they buy Innovation as he started or was in the middle of his starleague win? That's a massive stretch. And Parting was on the team for a long time and never won anything, then he leaves and he's counted too? If Rain wins this season do we count him as well? How about if the next season a former member wins, how long do you decide to keep counting former members?
I'm sorry, but this seems like a really irrelevant list of stats.
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On June 08 2015 22:49 Subversive wrote:
How is counting Innovation and Soulkey from 2013 even relevant? If you're trying to show that SKT1 breeds and nurtures future champions, what do those 2 results show other than they bought 2 former champions and that they had the money to do so? It'd be like claiming Life's past wins for KT before he was on the team as somehow something to do with them.
And didn't they buy Innovation as he started or was in the middle of his starleague win? That's a massive stretch. And Parting was on the team for a long time and never won anything, then he leaves and he's counted too? If Rain wins this season do we count him as well? How about if the next season a former member wins, how long do you decide to keep counting former members?
I'm sorry, but this seems like a really irrelevant list of stats.
It's to allow SKT fans to feel good, don't kill their fun like that
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Bisutopia19400 Posts
On June 08 2015 22:49 Subversive wrote:
How is counting Innovation and Soulkey from 2013 even relevant? If you're trying to show that SKT1 breeds and nurtures future champions, what do those 2 results show other than they bought 2 former champions and that they had the money to do so? It'd be like claiming Life's past wins for KT before he was on the team as somehow something to do with them.
And didn't they buy Innovation as he started or was in the middle of his starleague win? That's a massive stretch. And Parting was on the team for a long time and never won anything, then he leaves and he's counted too? If Rain wins this season do we count him as well? How about if the next season a former member wins, how long do you decide to keep counting former members?
I'm sorry, but this seems like a really irrelevant list of stats.
Don't call Stats irrelevant. Just because KT didn't play him this morning doesn't mean we should treat him like the  Invisible Terran!
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On June 08 2015 22:52 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 22:49 Subversive wrote:
How is counting Innovation and Soulkey from 2013 even relevant? If you're trying to show that SKT1 breeds and nurtures future champions, what do those 2 results show other than they bought 2 former champions and that they had the money to do so? It'd be like claiming Life's past wins for KT before he was on the team as somehow something to do with them.
And didn't they buy Innovation as he started or was in the middle of his starleague win? That's a massive stretch. And Parting was on the team for a long time and never won anything, then he leaves and he's counted too? If Rain wins this season do we count him as well? How about if the next season a former member wins, how long do you decide to keep counting former members?
I'm sorry, but this seems like a really irrelevant list of stats. It's to allow SKT fans to feel good, don't kill their fun like that
Yeah I guess so :/.
I should add, I appreciate the effort the OP made. And he does have a point, that is a lot of SKT1 names, especially in the soO, Classic and other soO finals. However coming second in so many finals is less than stellar. Not to mention that KT actually WON two of these finals, which makes SKT1's one win with Classic seem pretty paltry.
And it irks me that great past teams like STX and Woonjinn are totally ignored. STX/SouL have a win and end of season finals win with Dear against Soulkey (I am counting the end of season finals, because not to do so is silly), and in addition to Innovation's already mentioned second, his first against sOs (end of season).
I don't mind the effort however the focus and results seem particularly skewed. If you just cherry pick the GSL, don't count the OSL, don't count any end of season finals, and count people who won wayyyy before they were on team then yes, SKT1 is totally in everything -_-.
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On June 08 2015 23:32 Subversive wrote:
don't count the OSL
Aside from the fact that even 2nd place finishes in Starleagues are very impressive, you know SKT Rain was in the OSL finals which really just supports the OP's point, which is also not something that should be taken too serious?
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On June 08 2015 23:44 Elentos wrote:Aside from the fact that even 2nd place finishes in Starleagues are very impressive, you know SKT Rain was in the OSL finals which really just supports the OP's point, which is also not something that should be taken too serious?
True, good point, but that's another one they didn't win. And it's not about taking it seriously, it does say 'fun fact' at the start but it's totally misrepresentative which doesn't make it fun at all just really annoying.
For the record, I like SKT1. I don't support them, but I think they're a powerhouse team with a great record. I just think this is giving them more credit than they deserve.
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This is a spoiler.
It is confirmed: SKT will lose S2SL S2 as well, with either classic or dream.
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On June 11 2015 20:48 neptunusfisk wrote:
This is a spoiler.
It is confirmed: SKT will lose S2SL S2 as well, with either classic or dream.
They may win GSL :p. They just need to buy Curious and sOs before next week and they can be added to the OP's list.
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On June 15 2015 00:54 Subversive wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 20:48 neptunusfisk wrote:
This is a spoiler.
It is confirmed: SKT will lose S2SL S2 as well, with either classic or dream. buy sOs
I don't think that's gonna be easy.
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On May 30 2015 05:25 DevotioN_00 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 05:23 Elentos wrote:
So this means Rain, PartinG, Dream or INnoVation make the GSL finals, right? Perhaps  I actually do think that Dream will make it to both the GSL and SSL finals.
Because Dream is the best player in the world. Who the hell are Maru, Life and Parting? Dream will do something that those players above have failed to do on many occasions.
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On June 15 2015 01:02 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 00:54 Subversive wrote:On June 11 2015 20:48 neptunusfisk wrote:
This is a spoiler.
It is confirmed: SKT will lose S2SL S2 as well, with either classic or dream. buy sOs I don't think that's gonna be easy.
You underestimate the power of the SKT1 rising.
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