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Innovation will join Acer on September 1 - Page 15

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SeinGalton
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
South Africa387 Posts
August 27 2013 06:21 GMT
#281
On August 27 2013 15:05 Maxilicious wrote:
INnoVation is probably going to lose his place as my favorite player because I don't like green.


Green is not a creative colour.
They're coming to get you, Barbara.
Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
August 27 2013 06:25 GMT
#282
Strange that YoungHun Ahn ( thisisgame eSport journalist ) hasn't tweet or leak any little piece of this huge news :o
@taefoxy
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
August 27 2013 06:37 GMT
#283
On August 27 2013 07:28 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 07:26 WeRRa wrote:
On August 27 2013 07:23 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 27 2013 07:21 iamho wrote:
IMO a pretty poor decision by Bogus to join a foreign team. The nice paycheck he will get in the short run will not make up for a long-run decline in skill. Unless he is already planning to retire after his next contract ends.


Yeah look how much Jaedong's skill has declined since he joined EG, what a bad decision it was for him!

Jaedong would most likley be a much better player by now, if he would have stayed in a kespa team thats for sure.
On the other hand, INnoVation always said he prepares his builds and for tournaments in general rather alone so....
He just needs coach Calm

Maybe Jaedong would be better now but we wouldn't know it as the KeSPA teams barely send their players at foreign events.

I don't understand how Jaedong wouldn't have been able to know how good he really is because he didn't go to foreign events. That makes no sense.
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
August 27 2013 06:38 GMT
#284
On August 27 2013 07:28 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 07:26 WeRRa wrote:
On August 27 2013 07:23 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 27 2013 07:21 iamho wrote:
IMO a pretty poor decision by Bogus to join a foreign team. The nice paycheck he will get in the short run will not make up for a long-run decline in skill. Unless he is already planning to retire after his next contract ends.


Yeah look how much Jaedong's skill has declined since he joined EG, what a bad decision it was for him!

Jaedong would most likley be a much better player by now, if he would have stayed in a kespa team thats for sure.


There is zero proof to support that claim.

It is more something you believe than something you can prove.
painkilla
Profile Joined June 2013
United States695 Posts
August 27 2013 06:42 GMT
#285
On August 27 2013 15:38 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 07:28 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 27 2013 07:26 WeRRa wrote:
On August 27 2013 07:23 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 27 2013 07:21 iamho wrote:
IMO a pretty poor decision by Bogus to join a foreign team. The nice paycheck he will get in the short run will not make up for a long-run decline in skill. Unless he is already planning to retire after his next contract ends.


Yeah look how much Jaedong's skill has declined since he joined EG, what a bad decision it was for him!

Jaedong would most likley be a much better player by now, if he would have stayed in a kespa team thats for sure.


There is zero proof to support that claim.

It is more something you believe than something you can prove.


Because Bisu has improved so much.
Supernova | TY | Polt | Innovation | forGG | Lucifron | Happy
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 27 2013 06:43 GMT
#286
On August 27 2013 15:25 Porishan wrote:
Strange that YoungHun Ahn ( thisisgame eSport journalist ) hasn't tweet or leak any little piece of this huge news :o


I don't think he's ever released an article before something was officially announced? Also he was at Gamescom and just landed home in Korea earlier today.
CYFAWS
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden275 Posts
August 27 2013 06:44 GMT
#287
for some reason it kinda feels like a death sentence when a top level korean gets picked off by a foreign team
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
August 27 2013 06:50 GMT
#288
Maybe we'll see a funny introduction video like the one EG did with Stephano
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
August 27 2013 06:52 GMT
#289
On August 27 2013 07:28 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 07:26 WeRRa wrote:
On August 27 2013 07:23 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 27 2013 07:21 iamho wrote:
IMO a pretty poor decision by Bogus to join a foreign team. The nice paycheck he will get in the short run will not make up for a long-run decline in skill. Unless he is already planning to retire after his next contract ends.


Yeah look how much Jaedong's skill has declined since he joined EG, what a bad decision it was for him!

Jaedong would most likley be a much better player by now, if he would have stayed in a kespa team thats for sure.


There is zero proof to support that claim.


Look at how quickly he improved under coach park/in the EGTL house compared to before then.

Now imagine he had that whole system set up all along, and in a team that could actually afford nice things.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
August 27 2013 06:53 GMT
#290
On August 27 2013 15:42 painkilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 15:38 samurai80 wrote:
On August 27 2013 07:28 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 27 2013 07:26 WeRRa wrote:
On August 27 2013 07:23 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 27 2013 07:21 iamho wrote:
IMO a pretty poor decision by Bogus to join a foreign team. The nice paycheck he will get in the short run will not make up for a long-run decline in skill. Unless he is already planning to retire after his next contract ends.


Yeah look how much Jaedong's skill has declined since he joined EG, what a bad decision it was for him!

Jaedong would most likley be a much better player by now, if he would have stayed in a kespa team thats for sure.


There is zero proof to support that claim.

It is more something you believe than something you can prove.


Because Bisu has improved so much.


Because all players are supposed to get good at something new to them regardless with hard work, right? Come on man. You could say the same thing with regards to a lot of players. SC2 isn't for everybody and we all know how stubborn players can be.
CuSToM
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1478 Posts
August 27 2013 06:54 GMT
#291
On August 27 2013 15:42 painkilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 15:38 samurai80 wrote:
On August 27 2013 07:28 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 27 2013 07:26 WeRRa wrote:
On August 27 2013 07:23 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 27 2013 07:21 iamho wrote:
IMO a pretty poor decision by Bogus to join a foreign team. The nice paycheck he will get in the short run will not make up for a long-run decline in skill. Unless he is already planning to retire after his next contract ends.


Yeah look how much Jaedong's skill has declined since he joined EG, what a bad decision it was for him!

Jaedong would most likley be a much better player by now, if he would have stayed in a kespa team thats for sure.


There is zero proof to support that claim.

It is more something you believe than something you can prove.


Because Bisu has improved so much.


lol are you suggesting Bisu would be doing better than he is now if he was on Acer or EG?

lmao
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Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
August 27 2013 06:55 GMT
#292
On August 27 2013 15:43 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 15:25 Porishan wrote:
Strange that YoungHun Ahn ( thisisgame eSport journalist ) hasn't tweet or leak any little piece of this huge news :o


I don't think he's ever released an article before something was officially announced? Also he was at Gamescom and just landed home in Korea earlier today.

Last time he released about an eSF team going to disband ( it was NSH ) before it's officially announced
@taefoxy
iKnowKungFu
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland21 Posts
August 27 2013 07:11 GMT
#293
just wow
Facultyadjutant
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Sweden1876 Posts
August 27 2013 07:11 GMT
#294
On August 27 2013 15:55 Porishan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 15:43 Dodgin wrote:
On August 27 2013 15:25 Porishan wrote:
Strange that YoungHun Ahn ( thisisgame eSport journalist ) hasn't tweet or leak any little piece of this huge news :o


I don't think he's ever released an article before something was officially announced? Also he was at Gamescom and just landed home in Korea earlier today.

Last time he released about an eSF team going to disband ( it was NSH ) before it's officially announced


Not to mention the EG incident


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MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
August 27 2013 07:16 GMT
#295
Kespa wont let this go..
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StatixEx
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United Kingdom779 Posts
August 27 2013 07:16 GMT
#296
somethings got to give, you cant go from a pure training environment to what seems to me a "whenever you like" mentality. i mean nerchio, scarlett mma are very good players and acer i think are slowly becoming an allstar teanm but iNno is something else . . i hope we see just further improvements.
bduddy
Profile Joined May 2012
United States1326 Posts
August 27 2013 07:21 GMT
#297
On August 27 2013 15:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Maybe we'll see a funny introduction video like the one EG did with Stephano
I want a series of videos with Cella and Scarlett trying to make Innovation smile... I can't be the only one...
>Liquid'Nazgul: Of course you are completely right
painkilla
Profile Joined June 2013
United States695 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-27 07:25:21
August 27 2013 07:24 GMT
#298
On August 27 2013 15:54 CuSToM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 15:42 painkilla wrote:
On August 27 2013 15:38 samurai80 wrote:
On August 27 2013 07:28 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 27 2013 07:26 WeRRa wrote:
On August 27 2013 07:23 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 27 2013 07:21 iamho wrote:
IMO a pretty poor decision by Bogus to join a foreign team. The nice paycheck he will get in the short run will not make up for a long-run decline in skill. Unless he is already planning to retire after his next contract ends.


Yeah look how much Jaedong's skill has declined since he joined EG, what a bad decision it was for him!

Jaedong would most likley be a much better player by now, if he would have stayed in a kespa team thats for sure.


There is zero proof to support that claim.

It is more something you believe than something you can prove.


Because Bisu has improved so much.


lol are you suggesting Bisu would be doing better than he is now if he was on Acer or EG?

lmao


It is certainly possible. This is all about confidence. Players like Bisu & Jaedong are highly skilled, but they have lost confidence badly since SC2 came because suddenly everyone beat them. Thus they need to start fresh. A harsh, slavery training system that keeps reminding them everyday that their past glory has gone isn't going to help. Whereas even just a high placing in a small foreign tournament can do wonder to their confidence & motivation, and I think that's what happened to JD.
Supernova | TY | Polt | Innovation | forGG | Lucifron | Happy
IMScientist
Profile Joined March 2011
Italy125 Posts
August 27 2013 07:25 GMT
#299
MMA is one of my favorite players and INnovation is my least favorite
This guy plays like he was sent down from heavens
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-27 07:29:20
August 27 2013 07:27 GMT
#300
Why are people talking about skill.

Innovation doesn't need to be Korea's best. He can go hang out in the Acer German house next year, get top four every season in WCS Europe, get points from going to every Tier 1 WCS Tournament, and make Blizzcon comfortably. His skill might decrease somewhat, but he'll still be good enough to have a shot at top four at any tournament Acer sends him to.

A year ago this could be called a dumb move because GSL was having a $50,000 first place tournament every other month and it looked like OSL was going to follow suit with three tournaments a year with a high prize pool. Now? WCS America, Europe and Korea all pay out the same. You have three major Korean tournaments a year, all paying out $20,000 for you winning.

The whole goal in the new Starcraft 2 scene is to get enough points, make it to Blizzcon, and battle for the huge prize money. On a foreign team, he can pick whatever the fuck region he wants in '14, go to any foreign tournament he wants, and easily make Blizzcon instead of having to worry about rookies like Sora or Bunny coming up in Korea. While if he stayed in the KeSPA circle, joined KT or SKT, and stayed in WCS Korea, he'd still be a favorite to make top eight every season, with the level of competition and how new players are coming out of the woodwork, there are no easy groups in the GSL/OSL.

Seems like a logical, smart decision. KeSPA might have been able to pay more per contract, but he'll make more through traveling and getting to play in tournaments without worrying about Proleague every week. It sucks for people who want to see Innovation continue to evolve into a Flash-type player who can dominate tournament after tournament, but with how the current WCS is set up, tying himself to a KeSPA team and Proleague just doesn't seem like the wisest decision.

Look at Jaedong. Yeah, he probably could be another level higher if he stayed on the Jin Air Green Wings or went to SKT/KT, but there are no guarantees being another level better would get him through the WCS Korea region. On EG, he gets to play in an easier region, go to every single foreign tournament he wants, and rake in more money than Innovation has. I've always been behind the notion that the best players having to play in Korea in the best tournaments, but with Blizzard wanting to make the scene truly global and equal, Innovation made the smart career choice. Maybe not the best one for the ceiling of talent, but the right choice for his future.
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