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JimmyJRaynor
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have fun reading stuff into my comments that is not there and ignoring the NBA related content. | ||
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JimmiC
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JimmyJRaynor
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On April 01 2017 22:16 JimmiC wrote: The difference between most people and you, is you make statements of opinion as fact then when people disagree you try to look up info to confirm what ever you said. Others look and the info first and make decisions of opinion based on that, they also understand that it is a opinion and not a fact. you do not know my process for evaluating teams. + Show Spoiler + i'm not looking any of this up. i watched the Raptors closely for several years.. the Jorge Garbojosa comment should make that abundantly clear. i've watched every minute of this "hot streak" they are on. they are beating up averag-at-best teams. i went to the Oklahoma game. last year the Raptors played 9 games against teh champs and won 4. This team is not at that level. On April 01 2017 22:48 JimmiC wrote: Ahh I didn't get it because it doesn't make sense. Here is the spread of the top 4 teams in the AL and NL each of the last 5 years. 2016 AL 6 2016 Nl 16 2015 AL 8 2015 NL 10 2014 AL 9 2014 NL 8 2013 AL 5 2013 NL 3 2012 AL 7 2012 NL 4 Maybe you just were joking specifically about the 2013 NL? it was a 1-line joke comment and there is no need to shit up the thread with MLB details. this list you've provided proves my point. + Show Spoiler + i'm making a generalized comment about how the best team in MLB might be 100-62 and the worst team 62-100. the spread between teams in MLB is much smaller and with a hot starter any team can beat any other team. An MLB team almost never plays .667 ball and almost never plays worse than .350. NBA has huge differences. MLB does not. There is much more parity between MLB teams in teh regular season than in the NBA usually. Baseball teams never win 120 games in a regular season... NBA teams win 60+ games every year | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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Only in people's imaginations will Lowry just slip back into the lineup and the offense runs it did in December. Its possible. Its unlikely. Just to add to the parity point.. any of 6 teams that gets hot can win the Eastern Conference this year. Milwaukee has played Toronto and Boston recently.. beat 'em both. Didn't have to look it up.. i watched both games. If Miami gets Waiters back and plays like the did in February and early March ( not that long ago) they can win. Any one who says there is a "heavy favourite" in the East just isn't being realistic. "as they come around the clubhouse turn.. they're running 6-wide folks ! ! ! " | ||
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JimmiC
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JimmyJRaynor
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if Lowry were a shooting guard or a small forward he could more easily slip right back into the lineup. Look for Toronto's offense to be rather disjointed when Lowry returns becuase he has never played with Ibaka or Wright or Tucker. Furthermore, he is not in game shape. His timing will be off. + Show Spoiler + the defense getting stronger depends on whether or not Casey goes with Joseph or Wright as the backup PG when Lowry returns. Wright is a far better defender than Joseph. Joseph is normally OK defensively and this year he has been terrible; Casey has been searching for answers using FVV and DW in times of desperation this year. If Wright is the odd man out the defense will weaken. If Toronto survives the 1st round... and Lowry and Wright work well together and Wright continues the amazing improvement he has shown in the past 6 weeks.. look out. but those are big IFs. Harden is 7 for 39 from 3. Is he normally this streaky? or is his left wrist the problem? | ||
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Nemireck
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On April 02 2017 00:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote: most casual fans know that no baseball teams win 120 games. and no baseball team wins as few as 40 games. if Lowry were a shooting guard or a small forward he could more easily slip right back into the lineup. Look for Toronto's offense to be rather disjointed when Lowry returns becuase he has never played with Ibaka or Wright or Tucker. Furthermore, he is not in game shape. His timing will be off. + Show Spoiler + the defense getting stronger depends on whether or not Casey goes with Joseph or Wright as the backup PG when Lowry returns. Wright is a far better defender than Joseph. Joseph is normally OK defensively and this year he has been terrible; Casey has been searching for answers using FVV and DW in times of desperation this year. If Wright is the odd man out the defense will weaken. If Toronto survives the 1st round... and Lowry and Wright work well together and Wright continues the amazing improvement he has shown in the past 6 weeks.. look out. but those are big IFs. Harden is 7 for 39 from 3. Is he normally this streaky? or is his left wrist the problem? Knowing Casey the way we do I think we can expect him to run with Joseph for the first two games of the playoffs for sure. Casey is one of those "experience matters" types of coaches. If Joseph carries his end of the bargain, he'll keep his spot in the lineup, particularly when they're already winning because he's supposed to be a defensive specialist (although this year I wonder). If he falters, we're gonna see lots of DW. We're talking about Casey here, so whoever makes the stops will stay in the game. Edit: But what a treat it is to be choosing between those 2 and not being forced to watch player after player blow by Vasquez every single possession only to watch him air-ball another running 3 when he gets the ball back. | ||
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JimmiC
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JimmyJRaynor
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On April 02 2017 05:38 Nemireck wrote: Knowing Casey the way we do I think we can expect him to run with Joseph for the first two games of the playoffs for sure. Casey is one of those "experience matters" types of coaches. i think if the Raptors have the lead in the 4th quarter , Joseph will never see the floor. RAPM for Coaches and the Case for Casey. http://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2011/06/15/statophile-volume-20-the-case-for-casey/ i like Casey because he is willing to throw out X's and O's and "theory" and just try stuff. Lowry+Bench was a brilliant piece of experimentation on his part. 2 6'3" and under players on the floor at once? lol, and it worked great. | ||
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Jerubaal
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On April 02 2017 07:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i like Casey because he is willing to throw out X's and O's and "theory" and just try stuff. Lowry+Bench was a brilliant piece of experimentation on his part. 2 6'3" and under players on the floor at once? lol, and it worked great. Ok, no. If something works that your "X's and O's" don't point to, then you update your theory. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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On April 02 2017 08:19 Jerubaal wrote: Ok, no. If something works that your "X's and O's" don't point to, then you update your theory. or 1 of ur best players or opponents best players drank 17 beers and stayed up until 5:30 am and refused the day time shoot around before the game. and, of course, no one can publicly acknowledge this. | ||
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JimmiC
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andrewlt
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I think your opponent in this argument just drank 17 beers and stayed up until 5:30 am before posting that. | ||
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Nemireck
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Think it's more of a hypothetical he's throwing out as an example that only happens when Leafs get a day off and play against the Panters hungover the next day. *And I'm not talking about the fishing trip. I'm talking about the very likely social drinking that likely happened in the hotel the night before. Not out at the bar where they could be "caught" by the media. | ||
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Xeris
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Not sure by what measure besides strictly looking at record you'd say last year's Raptors were better. Were last year's Warriors better because they had 73 wins?? Pretty sure everyone would say this year's version is better even though they're worse from a win-loss standpoint. | ||
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Xeris
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1) Their net rating is really similar to last year despite not having Lowry for a quarter of the season 2) Their offensive rating is better than last year 3) Their defensive rating is slightly worse, but note that since all star break their defensive rating is 102 (aka adding Ibaka/Tucker has significantly improved their defense) These numbers pretty much lead to the conclusion that: this year's Raptors are better than last year's Raptors. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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+ Show Spoiler + the problem is those #s are built partially on 1 line-up Casey used a lot that got solved and can't exist any longer. Namely, Lowry+Bench. I've already covered that. Ross is gone and Nogueira is not in the rotation. How Lowry+Bench got solved i've already outlined. Ujiri and Casey had so little faith on Lowry+Bench adjusting to how it got solved by teams that Ujiri traded Ross. Casey removed Nogueira from the lineup completely. Lowry was a shadow of himself through much of the late season last year because he was playing hurt. He was very bad in the playoffs and could not hit jump shots. Almost all his "made FGAs" were layups in the 1st 10 games of the playoffs. JV had a better 12 footer than Lowry. Lowry clearly had bursitis in his right elbow. It was swollen up after every game. So we were not seeing a 100% Kyle Lowry last year. Not even close. And they still won 56 games and 10 in the playoffs. The Raptors rumbled through the playoffs on the strength of their great defense. Is a bad-elbow-2016-Lowry better or worse than a healthy 2017 Joseph/Wright? that's not easy to answer. Last year against Cleveland (4-5), GSW (0-2 with 2 razor thin losses), Spurs (1-1), Oklahoma (1-1) they competed much more successfully WHILE FIGHTING INJURIES to Carroll, JV, and Lowry. This year they are great at beating up below average and average teams and are 1-8 against Cleveland, San Antonio, Houston and GSW. Those gawdy offensive stats come from hanging 120 points on average-at-best teams and the Lowry+Bench lineup. The Raptors defense is not as good as it was last year because Biyombo is no longer on the team. If Delon Wright emerges I can see the Raptors returning to the level of defense they had last year. However, he has only been doing this for 2 weeks. Before, we plan the parade route for the Raptors NBA title lets all keep in mind that in Lowry's (2015) and Derozan's (2016) best ever playoff seasons they shot 40%. For their careers both guys are below 40% playoff shooters. The ticky-tack fouls Lowry and Derozan are great at drawing won't be there in the playoffs. On April 02 2017 14:38 Xeris wrote: Not sure by what measure besides strictly looking at record you'd say last year's Raptors were better. Were last year's Warriors better because they had 73 wins?? Pretty sure everyone would say this year's version is better even though they're worse from a win-loss standpoint. the Western Conference is better this year so the Warriors have a tougher schedule. West is running at a .547 winning percentage over the East. If GSW wins the title they're a better team. If GSW loses in 6 games or less.. they are worse. | ||
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