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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17486 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-25 03:46:12
January 25 2017 03:35 GMT
#601
per Reddit.. Cavs bench is the only bench in the bottom 4 in PTS: 28th. REB: 29th, AST: 28th, STL: 29th, BLK: 29th,FG%: 27th. there is more to the game than boxscore #s but this is very bad and they're 2-5 since the Korver/Dunleavy trade.

if this level of performance of the Cavs bench continues more trades for bench players will start to look like shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic.

anyhow, if LBJ is whining to management about his bench i can see why.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
January 25 2017 03:46 GMT
#602
Again, the Cavs have a perfectly good team. They only look weak by the embarrassment of riches of the Warriors.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-25 04:27:19
January 25 2017 04:01 GMT
#603
On January 25 2017 12:27 Jerubaal wrote:
Love would be top 20 on the right team, like Draymond wouldn't be on any other team.

I think you're severely underestimating Draymond's defence, versatility, and playmaking. Not only all that but his intangible ability to fire up a team and lead with hustle and aggression. These things don't change much from team to team, his stats might actually go up without Durant, with marginal hits to fg%. He's arguably the best defender in the league outside of kawhi and can cover most positions. He was the second best player on the best regular season team of all time... and you don't think he'd be a game-changer on other teams? Love can't even cover one position, he isn't a leader and he's basically limited to grabbing boards, outlet passes and scoring. Love could be a top 20 fantasy star on a lottery team like he did in Minnie but his D would keep him off any serious list. There's just no way you can be a top 20 guy, if playing with Lebron makes you look mediocre and you can be virtually replaced by Channing Frye.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 25 2017 04:25 GMT
#604
On January 25 2017 12:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
per Reddit.. Cavs bench is the only bench in the bottom 4 in PTS: 28th. REB: 29th, AST: 28th, STL: 29th, BLK: 29th,FG%: 27th. there is more to the game than boxscore #s but this is very bad and they're 2-5 since the Korver/Dunleavy trade.

if this level of performance of the Cavs bench continues more trades for bench players will start to look like shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic.

anyhow, if LBJ is whining to management about his bench i can see why.

Lebron is management. This is the team he built. Every player on the team was specifically requested and approved by him. Was he muttering in front of a mirror and a hot mic picked him up? This is just his subtweeting all over again, which people forgot about because they won a magical finals.
Freeeeeeedom
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17486 Posts
January 25 2017 04:32 GMT
#605
LBJ doesn't pay the players. he can't tell the owner how much to spend. so LBJ can request many players and have it veto-ed by the owner because of money issues. so then its back to the drawing board. and it gives LBJ some wiggle room to whine.

How much exposure did LBJ have with Liggins when the Cavs acquired him? did LBJ fly to upper boldovia and check out some of his games? i doubt it.

LBJ ain't Mario Lemieux.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
January 25 2017 05:56 GMT
#606
I don't think the Wizards will meet Boston in the playoffs, but damn I hope they do. If I was Washington I'd tank to 6 seed if 3rd or 2nd is out of reach. Avoid the Cavs is the East playoff game.
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
January 25 2017 06:35 GMT
#607
On January 25 2017 14:56 Xeris wrote:
I don't think the Wizards will meet Boston in the playoffs, but damn I hope they do. If I was Washington I'd tank to 6 seed if 3rd or 2nd is out of reach. Avoid the Cavs is the East playoff game.


Can someone explain the rivalry? I know about the Wall/Crowder post-game shit, but is that literally it?
Forever Young
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17486 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-25 13:56:02
January 25 2017 13:24 GMT
#608
i think Boston is a borderline dirty team. so they can develop a rivalry with any one who pushes back. Washington pushed back. the Boston/Washington thing stretches back at least a year with the Wizard's coach getting into it.
http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2016/01/boston_celtics_jae_crowder_on.html
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
January 25 2017 16:26 GMT
#609
Benches are less important in the playoffs compared to the regular season. Cavs should be fine once JR Smith comes back and the rotation shortens and they get more rest between games.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17486 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-25 18:21:28
January 25 2017 17:24 GMT
#610
the official analytics and data partner of the Celtics will have a patch on the uniform.
[image loading]

that rumbling you hear underneath the TD Garden is Red Auerbach rolling over in his grave. The Analytics partner advertising on the venerable Celtics uniform. LOLOL.

instead of "Red on Roundball" we're going to have "Red On Riemann Sums"
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
January 25 2017 20:08 GMT
#611
I 100% support ads on jerseys the way the NBA rules are allowing it.
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
January 25 2017 20:17 GMT
#612
It's already called the Toronto Dominion Garden.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 25 2017 20:37 GMT
#613
Isn't that GE? Why call it the "official blah blah" when its MF-ing GE? GE is cool. They should just buy the Pelicans and call them the New Orleans Dishwashers.
Freeeeeeedom
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
January 25 2017 23:32 GMT
#614
GE logo complements the jersey. still prefer adless jerseys
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17486 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-26 00:08:48
January 25 2017 23:38 GMT
#615
by LBJ mouthing off about the Cavs weaknesses it either has no impact or weakens the GMs table image during any trade to acquire a playmaker...
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18554187/coach-tyronn-lue-says-cleveland-cavaliers-talked-lebron-james-recent-comments
"loose lips sink ships"

On January 26 2017 05:17 andrewlt wrote:
It's already called the Toronto Dominion Garden.

lol, exactly. toronto has a soccer team with the "Bank of Montreal" logo square in the middle of their uniform. Montreal and Toronto are supposed to have the most heated rivalry in Canada.
On January 26 2017 05:37 cLutZ wrote:
Isn't that GE? Why call it the "official blah blah" when its MF-ing GE? GE is cool. They should just buy the Pelicans and call them the New Orleans Dishwashers.

build brand awareness for a division GE has that completes tough database projects maybe? i don't think its common knowledge.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
January 26 2017 01:49 GMT
#616
On January 25 2017 13:01 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2017 12:27 Jerubaal wrote:
Love would be top 20 on the right team, like Draymond wouldn't be on any other team.

I think you're severely underestimating Draymond's defence, versatility, and playmaking. Not only all that but his intangible ability to fire up a team and lead with hustle and aggression. These things don't change much from team to team, his stats might actually go up without Durant, with marginal hits to fg%. He's arguably the best defender in the league outside of kawhi and can cover most positions. He was the second best player on the best regular season team of all time... and you don't think he'd be a game-changer on other teams? Love can't even cover one position, he isn't a leader and he's basically limited to grabbing boards, outlet passes and scoring. Love could be a top 20 fantasy star on a lottery team like he did in Minnie but his D would keep him off any serious list. There's just no way you can be a top 20 guy, if playing with Lebron makes you look mediocre and you can be virtually replaced by Channing Frye.


I think he's a newfangled undersized, mobile big that's a perfect fit for the Warriors. They have good wing defenders. They have a high efficiency offense. These mask the problem that Draymond is not very big. I think if you put him on a thoroughly mediocre team, like the Lakers, and told him, "ok, be our man in the middle. Defend the paint with our leaky wing defense and grab all the rebounds" he would look a lot less great. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a very good player.

I can't claim to be a Kevin Love expert, but Zach Lowe did pick him for ASG Reserves. He's a good shooter, has good offensive moves and is a good rebounder. I do think mostly that this is a bad team for him. You're right. He is Channing Frye on this team and I don't think it's his fault for the most part. If Nowitzki can be a top player for so long, I think we can count Love in the top 20.

I guess our disagreement that the Golden State Big 4 (jeez, when was the last time someone mentioned Iguodala?) is so far above the Cleveland Big 3, at least from a pure talent perspective. Love isn't getting his full value, but that's their fault.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17486 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-26 02:22:19
January 26 2017 02:20 GMT
#617
Lowry leads the NBA in stitches in the face and black eyes.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
January 26 2017 03:42 GMT
#618
On January 26 2017 10:49 Jerubaal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2017 13:01 Scarecrow wrote:
On January 25 2017 12:27 Jerubaal wrote:
Love would be top 20 on the right team, like Draymond wouldn't be on any other team.

I think you're severely underestimating Draymond's defence, versatility, and playmaking. Not only all that but his intangible ability to fire up a team and lead with hustle and aggression. These things don't change much from team to team, his stats might actually go up without Durant, with marginal hits to fg%. He's arguably the best defender in the league outside of kawhi and can cover most positions. He was the second best player on the best regular season team of all time... and you don't think he'd be a game-changer on other teams? Love can't even cover one position, he isn't a leader and he's basically limited to grabbing boards, outlet passes and scoring. Love could be a top 20 fantasy star on a lottery team like he did in Minnie but his D would keep him off any serious list. There's just no way you can be a top 20 guy, if playing with Lebron makes you look mediocre and you can be virtually replaced by Channing Frye.


I think he's a newfangled undersized, mobile big that's a perfect fit for the Warriors. They have good wing defenders. They have a high efficiency offense. These mask the problem that Draymond is not very big. I think if you put him on a thoroughly mediocre team, like the Lakers, and told him, "ok, be our man in the middle. Defend the paint with our leaky wing defense and grab all the rebounds" he would look a lot less great. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a very good player.

I can't claim to be a Kevin Love expert, but Zach Lowe did pick him for ASG Reserves. He's a good shooter, has good offensive moves and is a good rebounder. I do think mostly that this is a bad team for him. You're right. He is Channing Frye on this team and I don't think it's his fault for the most part. If Nowitzki can be a top player for so long, I think we can count Love in the top 20.

I guess our disagreement that the Golden State Big 4 (jeez, when was the last time someone mentioned Iguodala?) is so far above the Cleveland Big 3, at least from a pure talent perspective. Love isn't getting his full value, but that's their fault.


Draymond is perfect for the Warriors because they have long wings that can compensate for his lack of height. Bigs that are trying to take advantage of him will have to contend with a lot of players swiping at the ball. They lead the league in steals and blocks and probably lead in deflections as well. His size is also an advantage on switches because he is faster than most bigs. He is able to keep up with wings and block their shots. It has happened multiple times already this season where the other team would force a switch in crunch time, have a wing drive to the basket and get their shot blocked. And yes, on a team with short wings, Draymond would be in big trouble.

Cleveland big 3 matches up with anyone because their big 1 (Lebron) is far above everyone else. He can't do it in the regular season because games happen too often. In the playoffs, there is enough rest between games for playoffs Lebron to make an appearance.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17486 Posts
January 26 2017 04:15 GMT
#619
On January 26 2017 12:42 andrewlt wrote:
Cleveland big 3 matches up with anyone because their big 1 (Lebron) is far above everyone else. He can't do it in the regular season because games happen too often. In the playoffs, there is enough rest between games for playoffs Lebron to make an appearance.

he needs short series to make that happen. last year the raptors played 20 games in 39 days. GSW went thru a meat grinder of a 7 game series while the Cavs were in coast mode in the 4th quarters of games 5 and 6 that sent them to the finals.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
January 26 2017 18:33 GMT
#620
Updated:
[image loading]

Mid Season(1/26/2017):
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The league average offensive rating thru the halfway point of the season is really up there over the last 30 years or so after increasing about 3 points from last season to this one. ( A better post, this time authored by presidual, than the Sunday one.)
source
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