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JimmyJRaynor
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NovaTheFeared
United States7232 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 23 2016 22:30 JimmiC wrote: I think because it confirms what you think, you believe it. Many stats guys are desperately trying to recreate the WAR from baseball. But as mentioned by Zev there is way to many other factors not takin into account for this list to actually show how player contributes to wins. And it is not a list of the best players in the league. I once read a article about player "gravity" how certain players cause defenses to move to them there by opening up others. This stat has nothing to do with that. That is just one example of how simply using the box score and adjusting it per minute will not give you the best players. Just look back and the lists of past years and you will see, well interesting it is very flawed. ah ok. so you actually don't know anything. Thanks for the confirmation. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13537 Posts
Wins Produced is a model for estimating individual player contribution to winning. But what does that actually mean? Is Sefolosha really contributing more to "winning" than Durant? A layman explanation for a newb like me would be helpful. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18063 Posts
On November 23 2016 13:29 zev318 wrote: def great for players who essentially stuff the stat sheets in garbage time http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/seasons/2015/players?direction=desc&minimum=true&sort=per48_wins_produced boban was great at it last year there is a grain of truth in your "garbage time" comment with regards to Nogueira even though he does not play garbage time. valanciunas > nogueira. however, in this list Nogueira is ranked higher. Neither player is involved in "garbage time". However, JV plays against much stiffer competition during his time on the floor. If this stat could be adjusted to the quality of the competition it would be better. Also, the cut off point in this list is 150 minutes and Nogueira was at 150 minutes when this was posted. Obviously, the lower the minute total the more the "small sample size" red flag can be used. as a newcomer, back up center Lucas Nogueira has impressed me. He plays his position and keeps his mouth shut. How in the name of the baby jesus Ujiri turned John Salmons into Lou Willliams and Lucas Nogueira i will never know. | ||
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choconet
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i just read 3 pages of your back and forth it was entertaining as f***, keep it up. Question, what is "garbage time"? is it when you let non-starters play? | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On November 25 2016 03:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote: there is a grain of truth in your "garbage time" comment with regards to Nogueira even though he does not play garbage time. valanciunas > nogueira. however, in this list Nogueira is ranked higher. Neither player is involved in "garbage time". However, JV plays against much stiffer competition during his time on the floor. If this stat could be adjusted to the quality of the competition it would be better. Also, the cut off point in this list is 150 minutes and Nogueira was at 150 minutes when this was posted. Obviously, the lower the minute total the more the "small sample size" red flag can be used. as a newcomer, back up center Lucas Nogueira has impressed me. He plays his position and keeps his mouth shut. How in the name of the baby jesus Ujiri turned John Salmons into Lou Willliams and Lucas Nogueira i will never know. he's def a high energy guy who is very active on D which is what toronto needs (any team really would love to have a guy like that). interestingly, he's played another 17 minutes since and basically dropped like 20 places, cause he didnt do much stat wise vs houston | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18063 Posts
that is the problem with over analyzing the stats involving the first 20% of any season in any sport. i watched the entire Rockets/Raptors game and Nogueira played well. You do not have to generate the common offensive stat numbers people love to read in order to contribute to a team win. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18063 Posts
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18063 Posts
this is not the Vince Carter era.. the owners of the Raptors/Leafs/Raptors905/TFC/Marlies/ take the 2 basketball teams every bit as seriously as the 2 hockey teams. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/SqNwDOn.jpg) Every week I try to highlight an interesting read or graphic or video that I find... 11/28/2016: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/NPjWoR2.jpg) | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
LOL JR | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On November 29 2016 17:55 MassHysteria wrote: Every week I try to highlight an interesting read or graphic or video that I find... 11/28/2016: Whiteside for DPOY | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On December 01 2016 01:19 andrewlt wrote: Spurs 4-4 at home, 10-0 on the road You could say the weight of the home crowd is getting to them. | ||
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