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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
June 09 2016 19:33 GMT
#25741
On June 10 2016 04:14 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 04:03 Slayer91 wrote:
On June 10 2016 03:27 Gahlo wrote:
On June 10 2016 02:51 Slayer91 wrote:
is there no ranked or rated play in overwatch?
if so this is the issue

i mean in league of legends there's ranked play so you know exactly how good you are
which is unfortunate for neko

That's cute.


excuse me?

The tier division does anything but.

In other news, holy hell.



That was wonderful
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23470 Posts
June 09 2016 19:36 GMT
#25742
that performance was forceful
a weak electrostatic force
aka Teutonica
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 09 2016 20:51 GMT
#25743
Been wanting some stuff for my walls at home, stumbled on this page of art/prints. Figured I'd share

http://www.threyda.com/collections/art-and-goods
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
June 09 2016 20:58 GMT
#25744
Hello my lovelies~ How are you all?

I don't often post links here, but I felt like sharing this article which was one of the most engaging articles I've read this year.

It's not very long. And it's not a hyper-intellectual academic article. But it's a wonderful article that has so many layers and offers such an interesting perspective. Follow up Twitter thread is also great. Chris Arnade offers such interesting insights and his other Tweetstorms are worth reading.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 09 2016 21:03 GMT
#25745
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
June 09 2016 21:06 GMT
#25746
On June 10 2016 05:58 MoonBear wrote:
Hello my lovelies~ How are you all?

I don't often post links here, but I felt like sharing this article which was one of the most engaging articles I've read this year.

It's not very long. And it's not a hyper-intellectual academic article. But it's a wonderful article that has so many layers and offers such an interesting perspective. Follow up Twitter thread is also great. Chris Arnade offers such interesting insights and his other Tweetstorms are worth reading.


I miss you <3

Glad to see you're alive
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 09 2016 21:12 GMT
#25747
On June 10 2016 05:58 MoonBear wrote:
Hello my lovelies~ How are you all?

I don't often post links here, but I felt like sharing this article which was one of the most engaging articles I've read this year.

It's not very long. And it's not a hyper-intellectual academic article. But it's a wonderful article that has so many layers and offers such an interesting perspective. Follow up Twitter thread is also great. Chris Arnade offers such interesting insights and his other Tweetstorms are worth reading.


I ate 2 big macs 20 piece nuggets and 4 fries by myself on tuesday night.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
June 09 2016 21:16 GMT
#25748
Been about 15 years since I got anything to eat at McDo.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23470 Posts
June 09 2016 21:30 GMT
#25749
On June 10 2016 05:58 MoonBear wrote:
Hello my lovelies~ How are you all?

I don't often post links here, but I felt like sharing this article which was one of the most engaging articles I've read this year.

It's not very long. And it's not a hyper-intellectual academic article. But it's a wonderful article that has so many layers and offers such an interesting perspective. Follow up Twitter thread is also great. Chris Arnade offers such interesting insights and his other Tweetstorms are worth reading.


tldr now you go to mcdonalds to get the pussy
aka Teutonica
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 09 2016 21:51 GMT
#25750
On June 10 2016 06:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

I didn't open that in the hopes that it was what I thought it was.

I was not disappointed.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 10 2016 00:22 GMT
#25751
Miss you, Moonbear~ Hang on with whatever it is that's keeping you so busy!
In the small rural town of Natchitoches, Louisiana, it is the Romeo club, an acronym for Retired Old Men Eating Out.

I found that one adorable.
That article is the kind of things that get me thinking because it presents a very different perspective from my own on things I can relate to (I can understand stuff about famine in Africa, for example, but it's also much more disconnected from my own situation/life in this region, so it's harder for me to "get" it).

In other news, I went to draft today in case someone I know would go to (he's a bit short on money so wouldn't be there too often). Instead I got a trainwreck.
Draft was shaped by my first pick: with Second Harvest as the rare, I hesitated between Erdwal Illuminator and Crawling Sensation, both archetypes I've picked the colours for previously, but not actually played.
+ Show Spoiler [rabbit hole] +
I went with Sensations, and saw a couple cards potentially nice with Delirium... then no black. Welp (2 of the 3 first people on my right were B). U seemed kinda open too though so I picked a couple things, I didn't wanna go R because I didn't see nearly as much good stuff (though I passed a Temper).

Pack 2 comes, and in literally 4 of the first 5 picks, half the pack is B+W and they're good to great, or even 1st pick-worthy.
This includes a pack with Dead Weight and Sinister Concoction. There was a Murderous Compulsion along with a Crow of Dark Tidings, a Nearheath Chaplain, Reaper of Flight Moonsilver, etc. I didn't care about W 'cause I draft it often and I want to switch things up a bit, but with so much stuff working well with Delirium... sadness, as it also meant I didn't have much to pick in my colours.

Toward the end I noticed I was short on 2-drops, when I passed a Quilled Wolf (for something with much higher payoff), so I thought "I'll grab any 2-drop pack 3, even if it's garbage I just want wolves not to flip till I get my courier/mangler/builder."
So I didn't see anything but a Dryad (that I didn't include because I already had one) the whole pack 3. And my first pick was between Welcome to the Fold and Ongoing Investigations.
In my colours (UG), I saw Homonculus x2, Quilled Wolf, Dryad x2, Seagraf Skaab, Daring Sleuth (that I picked and played), Manic Scribe, Moldgraf Scavenger early pack1... so 9 2-drops in my colours over the whole draft.

RIP.

The good news/cards:
Crawling Sensation/Epitaph Golem, Ongoing Investigations/Ulvenwald Mysteries, Stitched Mangler, Pack Guardian, Reckless Scholar.

The bad news:
2-mana slot is Sleuth/Press for Answers/Jace's Scrutiny/Just the Wind/Fork in the Road/Aim High.
The closest things I had to a finisher was Dire Swine or Stormrider Spirit, and I cut the former in the end.

Basically I'm playing UG recursion where I try to grind my opponents out with either infinite tokens (from sensations/mysteries since I can recur clue-makers) or my lone flyer or decking people.
Great prospects all around!

Match 1 I get trashed by the usual 1st (he'll get 3rd this time, looks like he lost a match for once since it's a 10-man pod), getting screwed game 1.

Match 2 I'm against UW splashing R for Burn from within, which I know about.
Game 1 my bigger creatures push damage through, and I make him spend some bounce before he gets creatures out to deal with my Uninvited Geist (I used Aim High to clear the board till I could transform it). I get Ongoing Investigations out but from this point on I can't attack anymore due to the multiple blocks he can present. At least I force his Shepherd to block while he's tapped out. I keep him low and my deck has 4 cards left so I'm close to recursion. However, when he taps my Watcher in the Web I foolishly forget about Burn from Within, and put him down to 2 while allowing a crack back that isn't lethal... but puts me at 7 when he has 9 mana. RIP.
Had I actually exiled more creature cards with Investigations, I would have been out of reach and won that game. He wouldn't have done it had I not tapped out that turn either. So despite my bad draft and draws (Stormrider Spirit and Golem were the last two cards of the deck, Sensations came super late, Mysteries got milled) it's all on me.

Game 2 plays out similarly but his Aberrant Researcher flips when it mills Burn From Within. This time I reach my empty deck and get to play Investigations and make a bunch of tokens, and seeing how we're super short on time, he concedes when he notices that I will get wide enough to kill him in a couple turns. There's only 5 minutes left so we can't play out the last one, so we draw.
That guy was incredibly nice, first match they drew (his opponent misplayed because the clock was getting to him, could have won, def. would have with one more turn) but he told the organiser to write it as a 1-2 loss for him seeing how he'd have lost. I hesitated to return the favour by conceding this match to him but I misheard that there was another draw so refrained (2 match draws meant we'd play each other and avoid pairing others up/down).

Match 3 was against BW mix.
Guy had Bound by Moonsilver x2, Call the Bloodline and a couple madness cards, several spirits for flyers... decent midrange all-around.
Game 1 I mull to 6, 2-lander with Courier, Scholar, Ulvenwald Mysteries in hand, on the draw, so I'm confident. I draw the 3rd land on turn 5 when I'm about to die. RIP. Opponent's genuinely disappointed too since none of us played a game.

Game 2 goes 1-lander, 1-lander, no-lander, 1-lander that I keep. I somehow don't die by drawing enough lands and getting clues out of my stuff, trading, etc. and get back to parity on cards (then slightly ahead).
The board is stalled because I'm bigger but he has Rancid Rats and flyers, although I ambush one with Stormrider Spirit.
I assemble the Sensations/Golem combo, use Jace' Scrutiny to bait and kill his rats, and have had Sleep Paralysis on his twins for awhile. He then makes the play that decides the game: sac twins to Angelic Purge to exile Ulvenwald Mysteries, cast Macabre Waltz getting rats and twins back, discard twins to trigger madness, cast rats.

It's well played but since he didn't exile the Golem instead I just combo off... through multiple misplays such as not playing my lands and being one mana short to replay the Stormrider I recurred two turns in a row. My opponent's really frustrated from all the durdling and me being overly defensive (gameplay, not behaviour) at that point and concedes so we can try a game 3 with 3 minutes left on the clock. It obviously ends in a draw and since he has to leave he tells the organiser to make it a win for me.

So I could have went 1-1-1 (or even 2-1 given enough time), instead went 0-1-2, and it was counted as 1-1-1 in the end, placing 5th out of 10.

I don't know if I should be annoyed that my draft was so bad, sorry for my opponents who had to go through all my misplays and durdling because of said draft and how my deck pretty much required to go to time to win two games, or happy that despite all that I got to play an archetype I hadn't yet (although that was probably closer to a combo from the BG Delirium archetype, that I somehow assembled in another pair for a change).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
June 10 2016 00:33 GMT
#25752
/r/overwatch is probably one of the fastest growing game subreddits and probably the shittiest. People that complain about widows smg are retarded.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
June 10 2016 01:16 GMT
#25753
On June 10 2016 09:33 Eppa! wrote:
/r/overwatch is probably one of the fastest growing game subreddits and probably the shittiest. People that complain about widows smg are retarded.

I didn't realise /r/ow had content other than PotG gifs
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 10 2016 05:23 GMT
#25754
I think Crawling sensation is a shitty build-around card personally.
Basically I'm playing UG recursion where I try to grind my opponents out with either infinite tokens (from sensations/mysteries since I can recur clue-makers) or my lone flyer or decking people.
Great prospects all around!

This is the stuff that makes a solid deck. I punted super hard against that deck in a finals online last night. Gotta practice so you don't durdle so hard.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 10 2016 07:41 GMT
#25755
Crawling Sensation is the backup buildaround for the self-mill deck when none of the actually good engines came your way and you have to take it so your deck actually does *something*.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-10 08:57:03
June 10 2016 08:52 GMT
#25756
There were several issues there:
1- if I want to durdle, I need to control (or Mole), here's my package: + Show Spoiler +
Press for Answers, Jace's Scrutiny, Just the Wind, Sleep Paralysis, Stitched Mangler.
In a pinch, Aim High and Stormrider Spirit can be used to ambush something that isn't too big.
I kept 1 of my 2 Confront but my curve had a hard time getting both a creature+clues out to make it better than +1/+1 when I had to burn it. I cut Gone Missing because it's so expensive while it's hard for me to get ahead with what I built (I had decent tempo plays turn 3-4 but lack of turn 2 plays usually set me behind to begin with).

2- because I was UG and not BG, I didn't have recursion in case I milled Epitaph Golem, so I couldn't go hard until I had it in hand (seen in the game I lost to Burn from Within (and my scrubiness) where it was the second to last card in the deck).
3- in a similar vein, Investigation+Mysteries combo is potent but you have to assemble it, and it's not like I can tutor it (plus risk of self-milling, again).

In the end I think i was in the right colours (didn't see B pack 3).
Of course the lack of 2-drops, and some terrible packs (such as when I ended up picking Manic Scribe, or the multiple BW packs with nary a mediocre card for me at the start of pack2), the seemingly weak-ish pool that night, and the luck of the draw are things I have no control over, but I still could have done better with my draft.

I should have remembered that UG needs to gum up, and taken 2-drops earlier (Homonculus still trades with a bunch of stuff) while prioritising flyers (passed a Silent Observer) both as defense, and to turn on Investigation (and in turn Mysteries; or alternatively to help me dig for pieces since I relied on combos anyway).
I passed another Press for Answers and maybe another Scrutiny too.

Ongoing Investigation is a very powerful card that I failed to turn on because I couldn't retake the initiation after passing early. I had an interesting choice regarding it match 2 game 2 : + Show Spoiler +
My opponent has Explosive Apparatus and no creatures out, while I have Ongoing Investigation.
My hand is Reckless Scholar, Uninvited Geist, Watcher in the Web and enough lands to get to 5 on curve.

On turn 3 I have to decide whether I trade the Scholar or the Geist for his Apparatus. I knew the games would be slow-ish unless he gets all his flyers out and no defense on my side, I had almost no Madness cards in my deck, would probably want to keep a land if I drew Pack Guardian.
I decided to let the Scholar die (I could count the number of times I've looted with one on one hand this whole set, despite how good the card is :') ) because if he didn't have a 2-power creature to throw at me I'd flip the Geist and get to investigate every turn while putting a clock on him, while the scholar would only smooth my draws post turn-5.

+ Show Spoiler [result] +
Turns out I got to flip the Geist and play the Watcher only for him to cast Lightning Axe pitching Just the Wind at the end of my turn, with Geist back in hand and one of my only anti-air down. The Geist never flipped again, he died while I went wide to push some damage.
I still think it was most likely the correct play because it has higher upside (if it flips, with Investigation out) while indirectly playing defense because it forces my opponent to hold a blocker back. Scholar would have done more work in that game but he hadn't shown me any bounce yet.


Out of curiosity, what do you consider better self-mill engines, Yango?
Crow is better overall because it mills as much as 2 turns of Sensations while providing a flying body for the same cost. Flying > stats here so the insects don't matter too much.
It wasn't in my colours (passed one too) and for pure mill Sensation is better in the long run though.
Mindwrack is a mythic.
Paramnesia is a terrible card and targeting yourself is a bit sad.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
June 10 2016 09:44 GMT
#25757
Halp. My friends are offering to buy me the WoW expansion and pay for my time.
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
June 10 2016 09:46 GMT
#25758
On June 10 2016 18:44 Gahlo wrote:
Halp. My friends are offering to buy me the WoW expansion and pay for my time.


What's wrong with a little crack every now an then?

But on the real though, that's a rabbit hole. I've found the best way to avoid this is to constantly play and never have to pay for WoW because 2 much gold.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 10 2016 12:20 GMT
#25759
On June 10 2016 17:52 Alaric wrote:
There were several issues there:
1- if I want to durdle, I need to control (or Mole), here's my package: + Show Spoiler +
Press for Answers, Jace's Scrutiny, Just the Wind, Sleep Paralysis, Stitched Mangler.
In a pinch, Aim High and Stormrider Spirit can be used to ambush something that isn't too big.
I kept 1 of my 2 Confront but my curve had a hard time getting both a creature+clues out to make it better than +1/+1 when I had to burn it. I cut Gone Missing because it's so expensive while it's hard for me to get ahead with what I built (I had decent tempo plays turn 3-4 but lack of turn 2 plays usually set me behind to begin with).

2- because I was UG and not BG, I didn't have recursion in case I milled Epitaph Golem, so I couldn't go hard until I had it in hand (seen in the game I lost to Burn from Within (and my scrubiness) where it was the second to last card in the deck).
3- in a similar vein, Investigation+Mysteries combo is potent but you have to assemble it, and it's not like I can tutor it (plus risk of self-milling, again).

In the end I think i was in the right colours (didn't see B pack 3).
Of course the lack of 2-drops, and some terrible packs (such as when I ended up picking Manic Scribe, or the multiple BW packs with nary a mediocre card for me at the start of pack2), the seemingly weak-ish pool that night, and the luck of the draw are things I have no control over, but I still could have done better with my draft.

I should have remembered that UG needs to gum up, and taken 2-drops earlier (Homonculus still trades with a bunch of stuff) while prioritising flyers (passed a Silent Observer) both as defense, and to turn on Investigation (and in turn Mysteries; or alternatively to help me dig for pieces since I relied on combos anyway).
I passed another Press for Answers and maybe another Scrutiny too.

Ongoing Investigation is a very powerful card that I failed to turn on because I couldn't retake the initiation after passing early. I had an interesting choice regarding it match 2 game 2 : + Show Spoiler +
My opponent has Explosive Apparatus and no creatures out, while I have Ongoing Investigation.
My hand is Reckless Scholar, Uninvited Geist, Watcher in the Web and enough lands to get to 5 on curve.

On turn 3 I have to decide whether I trade the Scholar or the Geist for his Apparatus. I knew the games would be slow-ish unless he gets all his flyers out and no defense on my side, I had almost no Madness cards in my deck, would probably want to keep a land if I drew Pack Guardian.
I decided to let the Scholar die (I could count the number of times I've looted with one on one hand this whole set, despite how good the card is :') ) because if he didn't have a 2-power creature to throw at me I'd flip the Geist and get to investigate every turn while putting a clock on him, while the scholar would only smooth my draws post turn-5.

+ Show Spoiler [result] +
Turns out I got to flip the Geist and play the Watcher only for him to cast Lightning Axe pitching Just the Wind at the end of my turn, with Geist back in hand and one of my only anti-air down. The Geist never flipped again, he died while I went wide to push some damage.
I still think it was most likely the correct play because it has higher upside (if it flips, with Investigation out) while indirectly playing defense because it forces my opponent to hold a blocker back. Scholar would have done more work in that game but he hadn't shown me any bounce yet.


Out of curiosity, what do you consider better self-mill engines, Yango?
Crow is better overall because it mills as much as 2 turns of Sensations while providing a flying body for the same cost. Flying > stats here so the insects don't matter too much.
It wasn't in my colours (passed one too) and for pure mill Sensation is better in the long run though.
Mindwrack is a mythic.
Paramnesia is a terrible card and targeting yourself is a bit sad.

Theres no real reason to have a self mill 'engine' per se. If you're going to mill out with crawling sensation or whatever for epitaph golem value then it's best to just let it happen naturally and grind it out throughout the course of the game with clues etc. The best self mills for the delirium deck are the green vessel and fork in the road.
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killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-10 12:25:53
June 10 2016 12:25 GMT
#25760
1- if I want to durdle, I need to control (or Mole), here's my package

I like this sentence

I'm picturing it as a profile description on tinder or something
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