Off-Topic General Discussion - Page 2785

Basically I noticed the armorsmiths in Trump's deck but without the shield slams I wondered if it was worth it, especially since with my lack of finisher I need strong minions.
Faceless Manipulators ended up being dead in my hand far too often (mulligan'd into one and drew the other turn 2 one game, didn't have the coin either, was basically gg) and I can't reallistically play them before turn 6-7 (to play my 5-drops first), so they're way too low. They don't bring much versus aggro (unless I need to copy a Sludge Belcher to survive one more turn?) and the cancer that is Hunter has unlimited answers to everything so even copying a Highmane isn't worth shit, to which you can add the need for like a weapon/minion + potentially execute, followed by cleave, to get rid of that shit.
I added in the Sunwalkers for some value taunts, 'cept most of my issues come from Hunter already. They're getting removed too easily and they're too slow. I need something else.

So basically putting armorsmiths and sunwalkers out, in search of something for a more stable early game (I've gotten fucked over by early draws several times because that deck has little early presence unless weapons if you don't draw the taunts, and you need to be able to pump ghouls/death bites + acolytes for your draw), and a better finisher than Stalagg/Feugen/Gorehowl.

Before switching to Rogue (and eating a Druid followed by a Priest zzzz) I was playing that Warrior deck and went maybe 4/7 total, against 2 Warlocks, a Shaman and 8 Hunters. Beat both warlocks, I'll let you calculate the hunter match-up.
That Hunter deck is just retarded shit because it's obnoxious to play around their secrets, especially since Mad Scientist brings them at random. It's free, and it can completely fuck over your temp on top of having an already decent minion. Explosive Trap completely destroys aggro decks, while Freezing Trap shoots your tempo down incredibly hard.
Because they're hard to play against, it also makes it very hard to hit their face with something other than a weapon (if you're aggro you're losing your entire board in case of explosive trap, if you're control, like this warrior deck very short on minions, you're leaving yourself wide open if you lose a taunt to a freezing trap for example, forcing you to stay passive which plays into the Hunter's hand unless you have a good draw already).
It also doubles as removal, while the cheap cost of their Buzard based combos and the even cheaper cycle of flare means they're more dangerous than a goddamn Paladin as soon as turn 5 (aggressive mulligan for a mad scientist means by turn 3 they'll have a contingency plan to stall more aggressive decks anyway) and you can't wrestle board control from them.
They remove Sludge Belchers so easily while shit like Houndmaster make them sticky, a mediocre draw is enough to spell doom because you'll have no answers to their shit.
And then in my case without the finisher I have to deal with fucking huge-ass value Highmanes, and the legendaries these guys drop like candy too.

Basically you're left with little to no decision-making because of the very complementary nature of their traps, in that any choice you make is going to be bad for you. Meanwhile the hunter doesn't have much choice because that deck (same as a fuckton of hunter decks) doesn't require that much finesse, even if it isn't as mindless as a facerush one.


Which leads me to Backspace Rogue: I don't feel like it has as much decisions to make, or as intricate, as a more control-oriented deck, like the Warrior one. Sure, it has different decisions, and it's interesting to learn when to hit face and when to deal with what's on the board "normally", when to take risks and drop them to 5 HP instead of waiting one more turn hoping to draw a card allowing a OTK.
Also, and even though I only lack 2 cards from the "optimal" deck (Leroy and another one-off iirc), I still feel like I often lose before turn 1 just because I have a shit starting hand even post-mulligan, or because I get stuck for 3 turns with a leper gnome and an argent squire on board, then blade flurry, coldlight oracle (which you don't want to play turn 3) and shadowstep in my hand, when I'd want to get a cold blood, eviscerate (with something to combo it obv.) or crystal golem. Its draw doesn't look very reliable either, meaning you can run out of steam or have "dead turns" at turns 4 and 5 very easily, which means you basically give a free turn to your opponent to turn it around.
Considering it's supposed to even beat cancer secret Hunter fairly reliably, I'm surprised considering how much trouble I have using it and the fact that I'm not always playing against people with full decks themselves.