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On July 10 2020 02:16 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2020 02:14 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 10 2020 02:13 Nakajin wrote:On July 10 2020 02:11 Andi_Goldberger wrote:On July 10 2020 02:09 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 10 2020 02:07 Elentos wrote:On July 10 2020 02:06 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 10 2020 02:04 Elentos wrote:On July 10 2020 02:02 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 10 2020 02:01 Elentos wrote:
I'm like actually worried that if you can hold proxy robo with nexus first this will eventually become a phoenix meta again. possible, although seeing this I really think proxy stargate is more menacing to Nexus first I didn't see that Astrea-Neeb game. How did Astrea respond? thing is, at some point he lost 11 probes to an oracle because it was maxed on energy and just exhausted the battery in the main. Otherwise he massed batteries and tried to add blink but he never had enough eco. The void rays kept getting kills on his stalkers. Maybe a stargate of your own is a better choice than stalkers. Especially if you keep your units alive. possible. As I said before, I hope this becomes a theoretical debate between Nexus first believers and non-believers because this is going to give us incredible games like the one we just saw blessed by the balance team once again 🙏 Ya the overall meta right now is the best since 2017 IMO probably, but PvZ (especially) and PvT are still rather underwhelming I feel like PvT is going in the right way and PvZ is not terrible for 4 months every 3 years or so, so not much to do there. ZvZ seems to have fallen off a bit tho
True PvZ has been mostly terrible for all of LotV. I kinda liked HotS PvZ (probably helped by the fact I freakin LOVED playing it - 5 phoenix into colossi + blink stalkers all day long baby !) but I know a lot of people won't agree with me on that. But LotV PvZ has indeed been a trainwreck...
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On July 10 2020 02:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2020 02:16 Nakajin wrote:On July 10 2020 02:14 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 10 2020 02:13 Nakajin wrote:On July 10 2020 02:11 Andi_Goldberger wrote:On July 10 2020 02:09 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 10 2020 02:07 Elentos wrote:On July 10 2020 02:06 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 10 2020 02:04 Elentos wrote:On July 10 2020 02:02 [PkF] Wire wrote:
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possible, although seeing this I really think proxy stargate is more menacing to Nexus first I didn't see that Astrea-Neeb game. How did Astrea respond? thing is, at some point he lost 11 probes to an oracle because it was maxed on energy and just exhausted the battery in the main. Otherwise he massed batteries and tried to add blink but he never had enough eco. The void rays kept getting kills on his stalkers. Maybe a stargate of your own is a better choice than stalkers. Especially if you keep your units alive. possible. As I said before, I hope this becomes a theoretical debate between Nexus first believers and non-believers because this is going to give us incredible games like the one we just saw blessed by the balance team once again 🙏 Ya the overall meta right now is the best since 2017 IMO probably, but PvZ (especially) and PvT are still rather underwhelming I feel like PvT is going in the right way and PvZ is not terrible for 4 months every 3 years or so, so not much to do there. ZvZ seems to have fallen off a bit tho True PvZ has been mostly terrible for all of LotV. I kinda liked HotS PvZ but I know a lot of people won't agree with me on that. But LotV PvZ has indeed been a trainwreck...
pvz has never been in a good state. think of pvz wol. no don't, it is too painful. late wol and early hots was just bl infestor and protoss trying to either circumnavigate the death ball or go this weird mass blink stalker play to pick them off. both super gimmicky and neither solution really worked. the only real response was to get the ultimate protoss deathball, which would be superiour to their inferior zerg deathball, so every game is either 20 minutes and you lose or 60 minutes and you win. pvz looks much better these days as neither seem to be able to get up to their ultimate composition. so a lot of scrappy fights. the adept is a really stupid unit, though.
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Drogo must be rather tilted
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On July 10 2020 02:21 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Drogo must be rather tilted
he's quite proficient at that
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Canada8991 Posts
On July 10 2020 02:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2020 02:16 Nakajin wrote:On July 10 2020 02:14 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 10 2020 02:13 Nakajin wrote:On July 10 2020 02:11 Andi_Goldberger wrote:On July 10 2020 02:09 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 10 2020 02:07 Elentos wrote:On July 10 2020 02:06 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 10 2020 02:04 Elentos wrote:On July 10 2020 02:02 [PkF] Wire wrote:
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possible, although seeing this I really think proxy stargate is more menacing to Nexus first I didn't see that Astrea-Neeb game. How did Astrea respond? thing is, at some point he lost 11 probes to an oracle because it was maxed on energy and just exhausted the battery in the main. Otherwise he massed batteries and tried to add blink but he never had enough eco. The void rays kept getting kills on his stalkers. Maybe a stargate of your own is a better choice than stalkers. Especially if you keep your units alive. possible. As I said before, I hope this becomes a theoretical debate between Nexus first believers and non-believers because this is going to give us incredible games like the one we just saw blessed by the balance team once again 🙏 Ya the overall meta right now is the best since 2017 IMO probably, but PvZ (especially) and PvT are still rather underwhelming I feel like PvT is going in the right way and PvZ is not terrible for 4 months every 3 years or so, so not much to do there. ZvZ seems to have fallen off a bit tho True PvZ has been mostly terrible for all of LotV. I kinda liked HotS PvZ (probably helped by the fact I freakin LOVED playing it - 5 phoenix into colossi + blink stalkers all day long baby !) but I know a lot of people won't agree with me on that. But LotV PvZ has indeed been a trainwreck...
That would be the four months between sangate, Swarm host and baguette style. (Baguette was rather funny to watch tho).
The few times muta were a thing also made for pretty good game
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On July 10 2020 02:21 Alejandrisha wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2020 02:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 10 2020 02:16 Nakajin wrote:On July 10 2020 02:14 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 10 2020 02:13 Nakajin wrote:On July 10 2020 02:11 Andi_Goldberger wrote:On July 10 2020 02:09 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 10 2020 02:07 Elentos wrote:On July 10 2020 02:06 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 10 2020 02:04 Elentos wrote:
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I didn't see that Astrea-Neeb game. How did Astrea respond? thing is, at some point he lost 11 probes to an oracle because it was maxed on energy and just exhausted the battery in the main. Otherwise he massed batteries and tried to add blink but he never had enough eco. The void rays kept getting kills on his stalkers. Maybe a stargate of your own is a better choice than stalkers. Especially if you keep your units alive. possible. As I said before, I hope this becomes a theoretical debate between Nexus first believers and non-believers because this is going to give us incredible games like the one we just saw blessed by the balance team once again 🙏 Ya the overall meta right now is the best since 2017 IMO probably, but PvZ (especially) and PvT are still rather underwhelming I feel like PvT is going in the right way and PvZ is not terrible for 4 months every 3 years or so, so not much to do there. ZvZ seems to have fallen off a bit tho True PvZ has been mostly terrible for all of LotV. I kinda liked HotS PvZ but I know a lot of people won't agree with me on that. But LotV PvZ has indeed been a trainwreck... pvz has never been in a good state. think of pvz wol. no don't, it is too painful. late wol and early hots was just bl infestor and protoss trying to either circumnavigate the death ball or go this weird mass blink stalker play to pick them off. both super gimmicky and neither solution really worked. the only real response was to get the ultimate protoss deathball, which would be superiour to their inferior zerg deathball, so every game is either 20 minutes and you lose or 60 minutes and you win. pvz looks much better these days as neither seem to be able to get up to their ultimate composition. so a lot of scrappy fights. the adept is a really stupid unit, though.
as I said I enjoyed mid HotS PvZ. SHs could be played around even if they were a pain. I definitely agree the mu was still very flawed but that was the state of it I liked best. I don't really like it currently, P don't seem to stand a chance lategame and the gladept builds are the only thing keeping high level winrates acceptable, but since they mostly fail vs the best Zergs...
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Also I can't watch right now, Drogo's gettting boped?
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On July 10 2020 02:23 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2020 02:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 10 2020 02:16 Nakajin wrote:On July 10 2020 02:14 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 10 2020 02:13 Nakajin wrote:On July 10 2020 02:11 Andi_Goldberger wrote:On July 10 2020 02:09 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 10 2020 02:07 Elentos wrote:On July 10 2020 02:06 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 10 2020 02:04 Elentos wrote:
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I didn't see that Astrea-Neeb game. How did Astrea respond? thing is, at some point he lost 11 probes to an oracle because it was maxed on energy and just exhausted the battery in the main. Otherwise he massed batteries and tried to add blink but he never had enough eco. The void rays kept getting kills on his stalkers. Maybe a stargate of your own is a better choice than stalkers. Especially if you keep your units alive. possible. As I said before, I hope this becomes a theoretical debate between Nexus first believers and non-believers because this is going to give us incredible games like the one we just saw blessed by the balance team once again 🙏 Ya the overall meta right now is the best since 2017 IMO probably, but PvZ (especially) and PvT are still rather underwhelming I feel like PvT is going in the right way and PvZ is not terrible for 4 months every 3 years or so, so not much to do there. ZvZ seems to have fallen off a bit tho True PvZ has been mostly terrible for all of LotV. I kinda liked HotS PvZ (probably helped by the fact I freakin LOVED playing it - 5 phoenix into colossi + blink stalkers all day long baby !) but I know a lot of people won't agree with me on that. But LotV PvZ has indeed been a trainwreck... That would be the four months between sangate, Swarm host and baguette style. (Baguette was rather funny to watch tho). The few times muta were a thing also made for pretty good game
when muta / corruptor was a thing PvZ was in a state I liked. This must have been around the time of that Zest - soO finals. God did I love to play PvZ at that time.
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On July 10 2020 02:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2020 02:21 Alejandrisha wrote:On July 10 2020 02:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 10 2020 02:16 Nakajin wrote:On July 10 2020 02:14 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 10 2020 02:13 Nakajin wrote:On July 10 2020 02:11 Andi_Goldberger wrote:On July 10 2020 02:09 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 10 2020 02:07 Elentos wrote:On July 10 2020 02:06 [PkF] Wire wrote:
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thing is, at some point he lost 11 probes to an oracle because it was maxed on energy and just exhausted the battery in the main. Otherwise he massed batteries and tried to add blink but he never had enough eco. The void rays kept getting kills on his stalkers. Maybe a stargate of your own is a better choice than stalkers. Especially if you keep your units alive. possible. As I said before, I hope this becomes a theoretical debate between Nexus first believers and non-believers because this is going to give us incredible games like the one we just saw blessed by the balance team once again 🙏 Ya the overall meta right now is the best since 2017 IMO probably, but PvZ (especially) and PvT are still rather underwhelming I feel like PvT is going in the right way and PvZ is not terrible for 4 months every 3 years or so, so not much to do there. ZvZ seems to have fallen off a bit tho True PvZ has been mostly terrible for all of LotV. I kinda liked HotS PvZ but I know a lot of people won't agree with me on that. But LotV PvZ has indeed been a trainwreck... pvz has never been in a good state. think of pvz wol. no don't, it is too painful. late wol and early hots was just bl infestor and protoss trying to either circumnavigate the death ball or go this weird mass blink stalker play to pick them off. both super gimmicky and neither solution really worked. the only real response was to get the ultimate protoss deathball, which would be superiour to their inferior zerg deathball, so every game is either 20 minutes and you lose or 60 minutes and you win. pvz looks much better these days as neither seem to be able to get up to their ultimate composition. so a lot of scrappy fights. the adept is a really stupid unit, though. as I said I enjoyed mid HotS PvZ. SHs could be played around even if they were a pain. I definitely agree the mu was still very flawed but that was the state of it I liked best. I don't really like it currently, P don't seem to stand a chance lategame and the gladept builds are the only thing keeping high level winrates acceptable, but since they mostly fail vs the best Zergs...
just nix the adept and give the stalker a +1 damage buff. also why is this a thing. why do stalkers not do full damage against light units? meanwhile they are used mostly to pick off light units. sc2 is just weird man
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On July 10 2020 02:25 Nakajin wrote:
Also I can't watch right now, Drogo's gettting boped?
actually no
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it was too late for it to matter but that disruptor hit was glorious
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On July 10 2020 02:29 [PkF] Wire wrote:
gg Drogo ! Tilt power !
I wonder if his hair turned golden already
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My wager for Lambo vs Vanya got cancelled by Pinnacle due to suspicious betting activity...
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On July 10 2020 02:30 Penev wrote:I wonder if his hair turned golden already
hope he's reading the thread and gets some inspiration for his next twitter memes
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On July 10 2020 02:30 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2020 02:30 Penev wrote:On July 10 2020 02:29 [PkF] Wire wrote:
gg Drogo ! Tilt power ! I wonder if his hair turned golden already hope he's reading the thread and gets some inspiration for his next twitter memes
Sounds reasonable to me. If the LR can give strategic advice to players I don't say why it couldn't give advice to memers as well.
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On July 10 2020 02:34 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2020 02:30 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 10 2020 02:30 Penev wrote:On July 10 2020 02:29 [PkF] Wire wrote:
gg Drogo ! Tilt power ! I wonder if his hair turned golden already hope he's reading the thread and gets some inspiration for his next twitter memes Sounds reasonable to me. If the LR can give strategic advice to players I don't say why it couldn't give advice to memers as well.
I thought one player would attempt to go Nexus first here, I'm disappointed
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On July 10 2020 02:30 geokilla wrote:
My wager for Lambo vs Vanya got cancelled by Pinnacle due to suspicious betting activity...
Hmmm can you explain a bit more? What suspicious activity?
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didn't look good for Drogo at the beginning but it's really anyone's game now
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dear colossi, how much we missed you
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EPT
