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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 17 2016 19:17 GMT
#1121
On September 18 2016 03:55 royalroadweed wrote:
20 maps 3 winners.

yeah pretty much the opposite of last month. which do people enjoy more?
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Garbels
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria653 Posts
September 17 2016 19:29 GMT
#1122
Big streaks make the kings feel like kings and the games more meaningful for me.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12966 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-17 19:33:35
September 17 2016 19:32 GMT
#1123
On September 18 2016 04:05 J. Corsair wrote:
As far as the players concerned, Byun's run was more impressive today. Just my opinion. Nercio's was also impressive, undoubtedly. Great games, thank you TB.

Yeah apart from ByuN and the code A terran Nerchio had not many scary opponents, since JAGW are free wins outside of proleague (jk). Myungsik is meh-meh but he had good results recently tho...

Stopping the streak of ByuN and killing 7 other players including koreans right after a ballsy interview is amazing tho :D. Gratz ByuN, Nerchio and of course MaNa.

Hopefully people will stop treating foreigners as shit/pushovers from now on until Blizzcon. Of course they are globally better, but foreigners are catching up with the new WCS system, as well as koreans worsening due to new wcs system/lack of money&competitions as well as the reduced player base in KR.

I missed quite a lot of games but even reading liquipedia was hype as fuck with the insane streaks, thanks again TB and all the people involved making such events happen. Thanks as well to the casters that enhance the competition with their casting and that put the hours necessary to cover that much StarCraft (other events included).
WriterMaru
nick00bot
Profile Joined November 2010
326 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-17 21:39:31
September 17 2016 21:38 GMT
#1124
Yeah apart from ByuN and the code A terran Nerchio had not many scary opponents, since JAGW are free wins outside of proleague (jk). Myungsik is meh-meh but he had good results recently tho.


lol is that a joke? Ryung was in Ro4 in gsl and has been wrecking zergs this last few months, and myungsik has consistantly shown this year that he can beat any top player. Maru may be in a bit of a slump but his TvZ has always been world-class. Rogue is in a similar spot as maru, but never really fell off in ZvZ and has beaten the two best zergs in the world in the last 2 months.

Honestly I can't remember a foreigner ever delivering such a great performance against top level koreans, maybe scarlett and stephano at their peaks but the sheer amount of back to back top koreans Nerchio just took out is unprecedented.
SoO~Speed~Serral~$o$~Dark~Myungsik~TY~Byun~Classic
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12966 Posts
September 17 2016 21:59 GMT
#1125
On September 18 2016 06:38 nick00bot wrote:
Show nested quote +
Yeah apart from ByuN and the code A terran Nerchio had not many scary opponents, since JAGW are free wins outside of proleague (jk). Myungsik is meh-meh but he had good results recently tho.


lol is that a joke? Ryung was in Ro4 in gsl and has been wrecking zergs this last few months, and myungsik has consistantly shown this year that he can beat any top player. Maru may be in a bit of a slump but his TvZ has always been world-class. Rogue is in a similar spot as maru, but never really fell off in ZvZ and has beaten the two best zergs in the world in the last 2 months.

Honestly I can't remember a foreigner ever delivering such a great performance against top level koreans, maybe scarlett and stephano at their peaks but the sheer amount of back to back top koreans Nerchio just took out is unprecedented.

Ryung was ro 8 afaik and hasn't got an especially good TvZ?
Such a great performance what? MLorD's one was better imo, especially since stakes were higher.
Do you really compare online bo1 to the offline performances of Stephano and NaNi? (You said Scarlett but she isn't top 2 foreigner goat so why bother)
His TvZ has been world class but it proves my point that it's easier for zergs to upset terrans than the contrary, not much more.
Myungsik potentially beating top players doesn't make beating him a particularly nice feat.
Aligulac wise, ByuN streak is indeed better, I don't see how it is a problem :o.
WriterMaru
killerm12
Profile Joined November 2014
Slovakia601 Posts
September 17 2016 22:00 GMT
#1126
great tournament again
storyline of 3 kings in 20 matches - 2 of them foreigners - was great

as much as I don't like Demuslim as a person, his analysis and casting is rather good
well and TB is TB, great as always, thx for this treat to you and to Blizzard for sponsoring
Byun | Neeb | Ryung | Solar | ShoWTimE | uThermal | Nerchio | TY | soO | MMA | Crank
killerm12
Profile Joined November 2014
Slovakia601 Posts
September 17 2016 22:02 GMT
#1127
On September 18 2016 06:59 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2016 06:38 nick00bot wrote:
Yeah apart from ByuN and the code A terran Nerchio had not many scary opponents, since JAGW are free wins outside of proleague (jk). Myungsik is meh-meh but he had good results recently tho.


lol is that a joke? Ryung was in Ro4 in gsl and has been wrecking zergs this last few months, and myungsik has consistantly shown this year that he can beat any top player. Maru may be in a bit of a slump but his TvZ has always been world-class. Rogue is in a similar spot as maru, but never really fell off in ZvZ and has beaten the two best zergs in the world in the last 2 months.

Honestly I can't remember a foreigner ever delivering such a great performance against top level koreans, maybe scarlett and stephano at their peaks but the sheer amount of back to back top koreans Nerchio just took out is unprecedented.

Ryung was ro 8 afaik and hasn't got an especially good TvZ?
Such a great performance what? MLorD's one was better imo, especially since stakes were higher.
Do you really compare online bo1 to the offline performances of Stephano and NaNi? (You said Scarlett but she isn't top 2 foreigner goat so why bother)
His TvZ has been world class but it proves my point that it's easier for zergs to upset terrans than the contrary, not much more.
Myungsik potentially beating top players doesn't make beating him a particularly nice feat.
Aligulac wise, ByuN streak is indeed better, I don't see how it is a problem :o.


there must be always at least that one dude who's complaining about something...
Byun | Neeb | Ryung | Solar | ShoWTimE | uThermal | Nerchio | TY | soO | MMA | Crank
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
September 18 2016 00:29 GMT
#1128
Artur you've done quite enough, now have your rest.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16123 Posts
September 18 2016 12:00 GMT
#1129
On September 18 2016 04:32 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2016 04:05 J. Corsair wrote:
As far as the players concerned, Byun's run was more impressive today. Just my opinion. Nercio's was also impressive, undoubtedly. Great games, thank you TB.

Yeah apart from ByuN and the code A terran Nerchio had not many scary opponents, since JAGW are free wins outside of proleague (jk). Myungsik is meh-meh but he had good results recently tho...

Stopping the streak of ByuN and killing 7 other players including koreans right after a ballsy interview is amazing tho :D. Gratz ByuN, Nerchio and of course MaNa.

Hopefully people will stop treating foreigners as shit/pushovers from now on until Blizzcon. Of course they are globally better, but foreigners are catching up with the new WCS system, as well as koreans worsening due to new wcs system/lack of money&competitions as well as the reduced player base in KR.

I missed quite a lot of games but even reading liquipedia was hype as fuck with the insane streaks, thanks again TB and all the people involved making such events happen. Thanks as well to the casters that enhance the competition with their casting and that put the hours necessary to cover that much StarCraft (other events included).


lol. Let's stop pretending that Totalbiscuit's Bo1 tournament is anything more than pure entertainment, Bo1's mean nothing as far as who is better is who arguments and it should remain that way.

This kind of discussion ruins the pure fun factor of what the Shoutcraft Kings tournament is all about. Nerchio will get his chance at Blizzcon and KESPA Cup to show just how far he has or hasn't come. Stop using this tournament to indicate anything, we'll get to see some real shit soon.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
September 18 2016 12:02 GMT
#1130
On September 18 2016 21:00 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2016 04:32 Poopi wrote:
On September 18 2016 04:05 J. Corsair wrote:
As far as the players concerned, Byun's run was more impressive today. Just my opinion. Nercio's was also impressive, undoubtedly. Great games, thank you TB.

Yeah apart from ByuN and the code A terran Nerchio had not many scary opponents, since JAGW are free wins outside of proleague (jk). Myungsik is meh-meh but he had good results recently tho...

Stopping the streak of ByuN and killing 7 other players including koreans right after a ballsy interview is amazing tho :D. Gratz ByuN, Nerchio and of course MaNa.

Hopefully people will stop treating foreigners as shit/pushovers from now on until Blizzcon. Of course they are globally better, but foreigners are catching up with the new WCS system, as well as koreans worsening due to new wcs system/lack of money&competitions as well as the reduced player base in KR.

I missed quite a lot of games but even reading liquipedia was hype as fuck with the insane streaks, thanks again TB and all the people involved making such events happen. Thanks as well to the casters that enhance the competition with their casting and that put the hours necessary to cover that much StarCraft (other events included).


lol. Let's stop pretending that Totalbiscuit's Bo1 tournament is anything more than pure entertainment, Bo1's mean nothing as far as who is better is who arguments and it should remain that way.

This kind of discussion ruins the pure fun factor of what the Shoutcraft Kings tournament is all about. Nerchio will get his chance at Blizzcon and KESPA Cup to show just how far he has or hasn't come. Stop using this tournament to indicate anything, we'll get to see some real shit soon.

I'm glad we have finally come to terms with Maru not being a top player.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
September 18 2016 12:08 GMT
#1131
Did Diabolique make it in here after the games?
stardog
Profile Joined August 2011
556 Posts
September 18 2016 16:12 GMT
#1132
On September 18 2016 21:00 Vindicare605 wrote:
lol. Let's stop pretending that Totalbiscuit's Bo1 tournament is anything more than pure entertainment, Bo1's mean nothing as far as who is better is who arguments and it should remain that way.
This kind of discussion ruins the pure fun factor of what the Shoutcraft Kings tournament is all about. Nerchio will get his chance at Blizzcon and KESPA Cup to show just how far he has or hasn't come. Stop using this tournament to indicate anything, we'll get to see some real shit soon.

Winning a bo1 is meaningless but winning 8 in a row shouldn't just be discarded as nothing.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16123 Posts
September 18 2016 16:55 GMT
#1133
On September 18 2016 21:02 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2016 21:00 Vindicare605 wrote:
On September 18 2016 04:32 Poopi wrote:
On September 18 2016 04:05 J. Corsair wrote:
As far as the players concerned, Byun's run was more impressive today. Just my opinion. Nercio's was also impressive, undoubtedly. Great games, thank you TB.

Yeah apart from ByuN and the code A terran Nerchio had not many scary opponents, since JAGW are free wins outside of proleague (jk). Myungsik is meh-meh but he had good results recently tho...

Stopping the streak of ByuN and killing 7 other players including koreans right after a ballsy interview is amazing tho :D. Gratz ByuN, Nerchio and of course MaNa.

Hopefully people will stop treating foreigners as shit/pushovers from now on until Blizzcon. Of course they are globally better, but foreigners are catching up with the new WCS system, as well as koreans worsening due to new wcs system/lack of money&competitions as well as the reduced player base in KR.

I missed quite a lot of games but even reading liquipedia was hype as fuck with the insane streaks, thanks again TB and all the people involved making such events happen. Thanks as well to the casters that enhance the competition with their casting and that put the hours necessary to cover that much StarCraft (other events included).


lol. Let's stop pretending that Totalbiscuit's Bo1 tournament is anything more than pure entertainment, Bo1's mean nothing as far as who is better is who arguments and it should remain that way.

This kind of discussion ruins the pure fun factor of what the Shoutcraft Kings tournament is all about. Nerchio will get his chance at Blizzcon and KESPA Cup to show just how far he has or hasn't come. Stop using this tournament to indicate anything, we'll get to see some real shit soon.

I'm glad we have finally come to terms with Maru not being a top player.


In what way was that implied from what I said?

Nerchio beat some good players yesterday, I'm not denying he didn't. Stephano also beat herO during a few Shoutcrafts ago despite being retired.

You can't use any of that in the "foreigners vs koreans" discussion because the format just doesn't translate into offline competitive tournaments.

On September 19 2016 01:12 stardog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2016 21:00 Vindicare605 wrote:
lol. Let's stop pretending that Totalbiscuit's Bo1 tournament is anything more than pure entertainment, Bo1's mean nothing as far as who is better is who arguments and it should remain that way.
This kind of discussion ruins the pure fun factor of what the Shoutcraft Kings tournament is all about. Nerchio will get his chance at Blizzcon and KESPA Cup to show just how far he has or hasn't come. Stop using this tournament to indicate anything, we'll get to see some real shit soon.

Winning a bo1 is meaningless but winning 8 in a row shouldn't just be discarded as nothing.


Is it cool that Nerchio won 8 in a row? Yea absolutely it is, it's a cool streak and it could be an indicator that he really has improved but we don't need to use this event to make that argument when he has KESPA cup coming up which the fact he qualified for it is far more impressive to me than his kill streak in shoutcraft.

Let's just stop using this event in this whole foreigner vs korean thing. It's really not appropriate for it, these matches are fun and this tournament is fun, let's just leave it at that.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1206 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-18 16:57:22
September 18 2016 16:56 GMT
#1134
On September 19 2016 01:12 stardog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2016 21:00 Vindicare605 wrote:
lol. Let's stop pretending that Totalbiscuit's Bo1 tournament is anything more than pure entertainment, Bo1's mean nothing as far as who is better is who arguments and it should remain that way.
This kind of discussion ruins the pure fun factor of what the Shoutcraft Kings tournament is all about. Nerchio will get his chance at Blizzcon and KESPA Cup to show just how far he has or hasn't come. Stop using this tournament to indicate anything, we'll get to see some real shit soon.

Winning a bo1 is meaningless but winning 8 in a row shouldn't just be discarded as nothing.


Cause we all know that if Nerchio had lost in one game, we'd be talking about how bad foreigners are.

I agree that bo1 don't mean very much, so Neeb losing in one game isn't indicative of much or Nerchio winning isn't as big as winning against prepared Koreans, but it is annoying when people act like they're right about the foreigner level when foreigners lose in these events, but when foreigners win, they're like, "it doesn't mean anything."
"Keep Moving Forward" - Walt Disney
Parrek
Profile Joined May 2016
United States893 Posts
September 18 2016 19:37 GMT
#1135
On September 19 2016 01:56 FrkFrJss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2016 01:12 stardog wrote:
On September 18 2016 21:00 Vindicare605 wrote:
lol. Let's stop pretending that Totalbiscuit's Bo1 tournament is anything more than pure entertainment, Bo1's mean nothing as far as who is better is who arguments and it should remain that way.
This kind of discussion ruins the pure fun factor of what the Shoutcraft Kings tournament is all about. Nerchio will get his chance at Blizzcon and KESPA Cup to show just how far he has or hasn't come. Stop using this tournament to indicate anything, we'll get to see some real shit soon.

Winning a bo1 is meaningless but winning 8 in a row shouldn't just be discarded as nothing.


Cause we all know that if Nerchio had lost in one game, we'd be talking about how bad foreigners are.

I agree that bo1 don't mean very much, so Neeb losing in one game isn't indicative of much or Nerchio winning isn't as big as winning against prepared Koreans, but it is annoying when people act like they're right about the foreigner level when foreigners lose in these events, but when foreigners win, they're like, "it doesn't mean anything."


Exactly. Also, if a foreigner wins, Koreans are always laggy or jetlagged or tired or something. If a Korean wins it's "OMG FOREIGNERS SUCK AND ALL EXCUSES ARE NULL AND VOID"
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
September 18 2016 19:45 GMT
#1136
On September 19 2016 04:37 Parrek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2016 01:56 FrkFrJss wrote:
On September 19 2016 01:12 stardog wrote:
On September 18 2016 21:00 Vindicare605 wrote:
lol. Let's stop pretending that Totalbiscuit's Bo1 tournament is anything more than pure entertainment, Bo1's mean nothing as far as who is better is who arguments and it should remain that way.
This kind of discussion ruins the pure fun factor of what the Shoutcraft Kings tournament is all about. Nerchio will get his chance at Blizzcon and KESPA Cup to show just how far he has or hasn't come. Stop using this tournament to indicate anything, we'll get to see some real shit soon.

Winning a bo1 is meaningless but winning 8 in a row shouldn't just be discarded as nothing.


Cause we all know that if Nerchio had lost in one game, we'd be talking about how bad foreigners are.

I agree that bo1 don't mean very much, so Neeb losing in one game isn't indicative of much or Nerchio winning isn't as big as winning against prepared Koreans, but it is annoying when people act like they're right about the foreigner level when foreigners lose in these events, but when foreigners win, they're like, "it doesn't mean anything."


Exactly. Also, if a foreigner wins, Koreans are always laggy or jetlagged or tired or something. If a Korean wins it's "OMG FOREIGNERS SUCK AND ALL EXCUSES ARE NULL AND VOID"


Good old X didn't win, Y just played bad. Works for upsets, foreigners and everything else.
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
September 18 2016 21:35 GMT
#1137
On September 19 2016 04:37 Parrek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2016 01:56 FrkFrJss wrote:
On September 19 2016 01:12 stardog wrote:
On September 18 2016 21:00 Vindicare605 wrote:
lol. Let's stop pretending that Totalbiscuit's Bo1 tournament is anything more than pure entertainment, Bo1's mean nothing as far as who is better is who arguments and it should remain that way.
This kind of discussion ruins the pure fun factor of what the Shoutcraft Kings tournament is all about. Nerchio will get his chance at Blizzcon and KESPA Cup to show just how far he has or hasn't come. Stop using this tournament to indicate anything, we'll get to see some real shit soon.

Winning a bo1 is meaningless but winning 8 in a row shouldn't just be discarded as nothing.


Cause we all know that if Nerchio had lost in one game, we'd be talking about how bad foreigners are.

I agree that bo1 don't mean very much, so Neeb losing in one game isn't indicative of much or Nerchio winning isn't as big as winning against prepared Koreans, but it is annoying when people act like they're right about the foreigner level when foreigners lose in these events, but when foreigners win, they're like, "it doesn't mean anything."


Exactly. Also, if a foreigner wins, Koreans are always laggy or jetlagged or tired or something. If a Korean wins it's "OMG FOREIGNERS SUCK AND ALL EXCUSES ARE NULL AND VOID"



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JollYRoGeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Sweden342 Posts
September 19 2016 07:16 GMT
#1138
So when's the last games coming up? I really enjoyed 1-10 live before I had to leave. I need to see the rest!
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
September 19 2016 08:05 GMT
#1139
Nerchio really tore it up, I don't really get what people are discussing here though. That the winstreak doesn't mean anything or that ByuNs streak was actually more impressive.
ByuN is the freaking GSL champion, is having a worse streak than the current GSL champion in some way an insult =P
In the last three shoutcraft kings koreans have taken 35 wins and foreigners 25. If nothing else I would call it an indicator that its not a huge divide, not to mention that we should take into consideration the way that Nerchio won those games. It was mostly off of the back of standard or macro play which is really impressive.
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
September 19 2016 18:18 GMT
#1140
Games 11-15 are out btw.



Can't wait for the last 5 games, thanks TB!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
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