EPT[WCS] 2015 Season 1 China Qualifier - Page 2
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Advantageous
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On January 01 2015 04:53 klipik12 wrote: Well, if it were to be WCS China they would increase the prize pool presumably. And if it gave WCS points on its own it would allow for more chinese players to be seen internationally if they make it to blizzcon, etc. Are you sure? They would increase the GPL WCS points and prize pool, but it would completely omit the current WCS China WCS points and prize pool, thus resulting in less money and the same amount of points. Also, having 2 touraments allows players to be seen more, and the Chinese would keep the same amount of points. To me, it's like imaginging S2SL as a qualifier tournament for GSL (ofc this would never happen, but just talking here). S2SL remains an important tournament with prize money, but feeds into GSL which is the official WCS Korea tournament (like I said, none of this is true, but it's an imaginary scenario to use as an example). 2 tournaments, more money, same amount of points for the region. It's cooler to have more points to make the spread more even, but 2 tournaments seems better than 1 in every way I can see at the moment.. | ||
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On January 01 2015 08:19 Shinta) wrote: Are you sure? They would increase the GPL WCS points and prize pool, but it would completely omit the current WCS China WCS points and prize pool, thus resulting in less money and the same amount of points. Also, having 2 touraments allows players to be seen more, and the Chinese would keep the same amount of points. To me, it's like imaginging S2SL as a qualifier tournament for GSL (ofc this would never happen, but just talking here). S2SL remains an important tournament with prize money, but feeds into GSL which is the official WCS Korea tournament (like I said, none of this is true, but it's an imaginary scenario to use as an example). 2 tournaments, more money, same amount of points for the region. It's cooler to have more points to make the spread more even, but 2 tournaments seems better than 1 in every way I can see at the moment.. Unless Liquipedia is wrong GPL doesn't give WCS points at the moment | ||
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BreAKerTV
Taiwan1658 Posts
On January 01 2015 08:13 Advantageous wrote: Jim and XiGua are going to have a field day in WCS China Fixed. | ||
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klipik12
United States241 Posts
On January 01 2015 08:19 Shinta) wrote: Are you sure? They would increase the GPL WCS points and prize pool, but it would completely omit the current WCS China WCS points and prize pool, thus resulting in less money and the same amount of points. Also, having 2 touraments allows players to be seen more, and the Chinese would keep the same amount of points. To me, it's like imaginging S2SL as a qualifier tournament for GSL (ofc this would never happen, but just talking here). S2SL remains an important tournament with prize money, but feeds into GSL which is the official WCS Korea tournament (like I said, none of this is true, but it's an imaginary scenario to use as an example). 2 tournaments, more money, same amount of points for the region. It's cooler to have more points to make the spread more even, but 2 tournaments seems better than 1 in every way I can see at the moment.. There are no 2 tournaments. From what I understand GPL will be the only qualifier, meaning they just take the top whatever from GPL and put them into WCS challenger - China division. Instead of your analogy, it would be more like how WCS 2013 worked where GSL fed into the WCS season finals, so the top 5 players in KR in that season just got thrown more money and the rest of the scene stayed the same. | ||
digmouse
China6331 Posts
On January 01 2015 18:20 klipik12 wrote: There are no 2 tournaments. From what I understand GPL will be the only qualifier, meaning they just take the top whatever from GPL and put them into WCS challenger - China division. Instead of your analogy, it would be more like how WCS 2013 worked where GSL fed into the WCS season finals, so the top 5 players in KR in that season just got thrown more money and the rest of the scene stayed the same. It's a bit different than that actually, at least on the money part, the tournament still has its own prize money, and if you made it into RO8 you get the guaranteed WCS Challenger and Premier money on top, yes it feeds into WCS but it's bigger than that. | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On January 01 2015 18:20 klipik12 wrote: There are no 2 tournaments. From what I understand GPL will be the only qualifier, meaning they just take the top whatever from GPL and put them into WCS challenger - China division. Instead of your analogy, it would be more like how WCS 2013 worked where GSL fed into the WCS season finals, so the top 5 players in KR in that season just got thrown more money and the rest of the scene stayed the same. I'm learning more from this conversation, but it still seems to be that we have nothing to comlain about YET... What has happened is now Chinese players don't have to prove who's the best by trying to defeat the best foreigners with a whole ton of lag, now they can play against each other with minimal lag and get to prove themselves on the Chinese stage. After they have proven themselves and made money from being top 8 of China, they eliminate 4 of the top 8, and the other 4 move to Premier. The eliminated 4 still get an extra $2000 just for being there, so you can basically add $2000 to the top 8 prize pool of GPL and pretend nothing happened. Then the advancing 4 are guaranteed $4500... So basically, this gives Chinese players a better opportunity to play in a fair qualifier. It also allows them focus on this tournament, meaning players won't have to be training for 2 seperate opponents in 2 seperate tournaments, which is a good thing. It's all GPL for them, which gives us the highest quality games. Another thing to consider is that none of the other regions get money for their qualifiers... It's only China. So, you want them to consider GPL an equal to GSL and S2SL in the WCS world (at least that's what I think you want) but if that happens then Chinese players would never compete with any foreigners in WCS. They would just a higher GPL prize pool (but lower prize pool overall), and compete only with Chinese players until the very end. That would also give Chinese players much less opportunity to earn points. Even if this deal doesn't have the BEST of results, I still think it looks better than any other options as of right now. | ||
Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On January 02 2015 10:12 Shinta) wrote: Another thing to consider is that none of the other regions get money for their qualifiers... It's only China. Oceania/SEA qualifier has a pretty big prize pool | ||
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thickertom
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iG: Jim, XiGua, MacSed, XY, Cloudy, iAsonu (no XluoS) Zoo: TooDming, Courage, Sakya, Zycart (no Gemini) Others: Top, Ein, Shana, Rushcrazy, Ezrc, Nuclear, Lanfeng, Mystery, JoCeLyN, even the one: Dignitas.DreAm...... | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17744 Posts
WCS Predictor 2015 WCS China Qualifiers Season 1 Winning Chances in ~ (this is with randomized player selection)   Jim has a 28.12% chance to win----going from 6.67% to 17.9% if they get 1st, or 2.28% if they don't. Top has a 26.31% chance to win----going from 3.86% to 11.36% if they get 1st, or 1.18% if they don't.  XiGua has a 24.63% chance to win----going from 1.93% to 6.27% if they get 1st, or 0.52% if they don't.  XY has a 23.57% chance to win----going from 1.55% to 5.26% if they get 1st, or 0.4% if they don't. iAsonu has a 23.06% chance to win----going from 1.09% to 3.83% if they get 1st, or 0.26% if they don't. + Show Spoiler [More Winning Chances] + TooDming has a 22.63% chance to win----going from 0.94% to 3.38% if they get 1st, or 0.22% if they don't. MacSed has a 22.17% chance to win----going from 0.86% to 3.13% if they get 1st, or 0.21% if they don't. Mystery has a 9.84% chance to win----going from 0.03% to 0.25% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. XluoS has a 9.18% chance to win----going from 0.02% to 0.17% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Shana has a 8.79% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.12% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Ein has a 8.04% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.08% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Mayuki has a 7.76% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.05% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Courage has a 7.56% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.05% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. 老北京五开哥 has a 5.14% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. xxxxxxxxxx has a 4.94% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Clavie has a 4.9% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. 迷茫听雨 has a 4.77% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Banquet has a 4.65% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. rikka has a 4.45% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't.  费施迪 has a 4.45% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. F91 has a 4.4% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. zazu has a 4.38% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. DouDou has a 4.35% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. forGG has a 4.32% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 城之内 has a 4.16% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Knight has a 4.12% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Homura has a 4.08% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Angrybird has a 4.04% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 安南秀 has a 4.03% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. NucleaR has a 4.01% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. VeritaS has a 3.88% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Karl has a 3.85% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Szxy has a 3.82% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. BlueWater has a 3.62% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 庭哥 has a 3.61% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. QiYeeeeeee has a 3.55% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Random has a 3.55% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 妻妻菇凉 has a 3.42% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Andrew has a 3.41% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Cloudy has a 3.38% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. pylonLY has a 3.37% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. SCgoodman has a 3.34% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Elenry has a 3.28% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Gemini has a 3.24% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Manta has a 3.22% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. JoCeLyN has a 3.17% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Flower has a 3.11% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. wanted has a 3.11% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. CarsickZerg has a 3.11% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 上海人形 has a 3.08% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. DyyS has a 3.08% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. CaptainAM has a 2.97% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. MiCkey has a 2.96% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Coffee has a 2.96% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. CharAznable has a 2.84% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Ezrc has a 2.67% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. HunteR has a 2.56% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. YDForever has a 2.29% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. NeverSteam has a 2.21% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Sliky has a 2.21% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Sakya has a 2.18% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Zycart has a 1.93% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Lanfeng has a 1.76% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. ZKO has a 1.28% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Rushcrazy has a 1.13% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. | ||
Yhamm
France7248 Posts
On January 05 2015 08:37 Die4Ever wrote: so this starts soon right? just no stream for today? http://wcs.sc2.neotv.com.cn/ | ||
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digmouse
China6331 Posts
Bracket should be here when it's up. I know, the url is indeed hilarious with a spelling error. | ||
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thickertom
China612 Posts
On January 05 2015 08:37 Die4Ever wrote: so this starts soon right? just no stream for today? WCS Predictor 2015 WCS China Qualifiers Season 1 Winning Chances in ~ (this is with randomized player selection) Jim has a 28.12% chance to win----going from 6.67% to 17.9% if they get 1st, or 2.28% if they don't. Top has a 26.31% chance to win----going from 3.86% to 11.36% if they get 1st, or 1.18% if they don't. XiGua has a 24.63% chance to win----going from 1.93% to 6.27% if they get 1st, or 0.52% if they don't. XY has a 23.57% chance to win----going from 1.55% to 5.26% if they get 1st, or 0.4% if they don't. iAsonu has a 23.06% chance to win----going from 1.09% to 3.83% if they get 1st, or 0.26% if they don't. + Show Spoiler [More Winning Chances] + TooDming has a 22.63% chance to win----going from 0.94% to 3.38% if they get 1st, or 0.22% if they don't. MacSed has a 22.17% chance to win----going from 0.86% to 3.13% if they get 1st, or 0.21% if they don't. Mystery has a 9.84% chance to win----going from 0.03% to 0.25% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. XluoS has a 9.18% chance to win----going from 0.02% to 0.17% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Shana has a 8.79% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.12% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Ein has a 8.04% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.08% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Mayuki has a 7.76% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.05% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Courage has a 7.56% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.05% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. 老北京五开哥 has a 5.14% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. xxxxxxxxxx has a 4.94% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Clavie has a 4.9% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. 迷茫听雨 has a 4.77% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Banquet has a 4.65% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. rikka has a 4.45% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. 费施迪 has a 4.45% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. F91 has a 4.4% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. zazu has a 4.38% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. DouDou has a 4.35% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. forGG has a 4.32% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 城之内 has a 4.16% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Knight has a 4.12% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Homura has a 4.08% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Angrybird has a 4.04% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 安南秀 has a 4.03% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. NucleaR has a 4.01% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. VeritaS has a 3.88% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Karl has a 3.85% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Szxy has a 3.82% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. BlueWater has a 3.62% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 庭哥 has a 3.61% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. QiYeeeeeee has a 3.55% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Random has a 3.55% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 妻妻菇凉 has a 3.42% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Andrew has a 3.41% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Cloudy has a 3.38% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. pylonLY has a 3.37% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. SCgoodman has a 3.34% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Elenry has a 3.28% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Gemini has a 3.24% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Manta has a 3.22% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. JoCeLyN has a 3.17% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Flower has a 3.11% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. wanted has a 3.11% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. CarsickZerg has a 3.11% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 上海人形 has a 3.08% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. DyyS has a 3.08% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. CaptainAM has a 2.97% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. MiCkey has a 2.96% chance to win----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Coffee has a 2.96% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. CharAznable has a 2.84% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Ezrc has a 2.67% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. HunteR has a 2.56% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. YDForever has a 2.29% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. NeverSteam has a 2.21% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Sliky has a 2.21% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Sakya has a 2.18% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Zycart has a 1.93% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Lanfeng has a 1.76% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. ZKO has a 1.28% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Rushcrazy has a 1.13% chance to win----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. The live stream will start on Jan 8th from RO16. | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
On January 05 2015 09:23 digmouse wrote: http://wcs.sc2.neotv.com.cn/duizheng Bracket should be here when it's up. I know, the url is indeed hilarious with a spelling error. Now that it's up, is anyone able to tell us who those people would be better known as? | ||
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digmouse
China6331 Posts
On January 05 2015 17:56 Circumstance wrote: Now that it's up, is anyone able to tell us who those people would be better known as? I think our liquipedia crew will get that sorted out in a bit. | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
On January 05 2015 18:11 digmouse wrote: I think our liquipedia crew will get that sorted out in a bit. Thank ya. <3 Chinese SC2 crew. | ||
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thickertom
China612 Posts
Punk VS iG.XY Zoo.Loup VS iG.XiGua Shana VS Mystery (so bad) Zoo.Zycart VS Zoo.TooDming (poor Zycart) Rushcrazy VS Ein Dignitas.DreAm VS Top Zoo.Sakya VS the winner of Zoo.Hunter VS NucleaR (Plus RO256: iG.Jim VS xxxxxxxxxx) | ||
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