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On September 22 2014 01:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2014 01:16 stuchiu wrote:On September 22 2014 01:12 Varroth wrote:On September 22 2014 01:11 Mozdk wrote:On September 22 2014 01:10 r691175002 wrote:On September 22 2014 01:09 Varroth wrote:
Sooo...When will it be acceptable to say terran op as everyone said ''toss op'' 1-2 months ago? When Terran wins every single premiere tournament for 6 months straight. Every Premiere Tournament.. Then it will be equivalent. Has that happened? No it hasn't they just want the ''era of toss'' seem worse than it actually was era of Toss goes from Dear winning his season finals to Trap winning MLG. In that time there were 24 Premier Tournaments. Among those 24, Protoss won 16. Among the 8 they didn't win, Taeja won 4, Jaedong won a weak Asus, Life won a weak Bucharest, Hyun beat Oz and Soulkey won against Sora. Worse than it actually was? I dunno Among the 16 Protoss winners, there were very few flukes though. Most of the players that were crowned during this era are still reckoned for their strength.
People always say that after the fact, because any player who has won is notable because he won.
Protoss still has by far the highest number of "one hit wonder" champions.
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On September 22 2014 01:14 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2014 01:11 Varroth wrote:On September 22 2014 01:10 r691175002 wrote:On September 22 2014 01:09 Varroth wrote:
Sooo...When will it be acceptable to say terran op as everyone said ''toss op'' 1-2 months ago? When Terran wins every single premiere tournament for 6 months straight. Every Premiere Tournament.. Then it will be equivalent. Thing is protoss didn't do that... From the beginning of 2014 til July Protoss won 10/12 Premier tournaments. Not only that 6/12 were PvP finals. That's not quite as bad as what he said, but it's still crazy. Way too early to say terran is that strong. let me add, that 10 DIFFERENT protoss players won those events. So it wasn't just 2-3 godlike players causing it
Zest still godlike
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On September 22 2014 01:16 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2014 01:12 Varroth wrote:On September 22 2014 01:11 Mozdk wrote:On September 22 2014 01:10 r691175002 wrote:On September 22 2014 01:09 Varroth wrote:
Sooo...When will it be acceptable to say terran op as everyone said ''toss op'' 1-2 months ago? When Terran wins every single premiere tournament for 6 months straight. Every Premiere Tournament.. Then it will be equivalent. Has that happened? No it hasn't they just want the ''era of toss'' seem worse than it actually was era of Toss goes from Dear winning his season finals to Trap winning MLG. In that time there were 24 Premier Tournaments. Among those 24, Protoss won 16. Among the 8 they didn't win, Taeja won 4, Jaedong won a weak Asus, Life won a weak Bucharest, Hyun beat Oz and Soulkey won against Sora. Worse than it actually was? I dunno
Why it starts from Dear winning season final?
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So manner these two.
But I want more trash talk!!!
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On September 22 2014 01:12 Varroth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2014 01:10 VeNoM HaZ Skill wrote:On September 22 2014 01:09 Varroth wrote:
Sooo...When will it be acceptable to say terran op as everyone said ''toss op'' 1-2 months ago? When Zest and every other protoss drops to Code B. I think the only notable terran that fell to Code B was Innovation so why does every toss have to fall?
Wow the revisionist history has started already.
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Bomber wtf man 
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Toss dominance has to consider that most of Kespa chose Protoss. Look at the racial composition of the Kespa cup. So, you have most of the best players using one race and it's going to make Protoss look OP.
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please. I have to see you liveeee.
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On September 22 2014 01:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2014 01:16 stuchiu wrote:On September 22 2014 01:12 Varroth wrote:On September 22 2014 01:11 Mozdk wrote:On September 22 2014 01:10 r691175002 wrote:On September 22 2014 01:09 Varroth wrote:
Sooo...When will it be acceptable to say terran op as everyone said ''toss op'' 1-2 months ago? When Terran wins every single premiere tournament for 6 months straight. Every Premiere Tournament.. Then it will be equivalent. Has that happened? No it hasn't they just want the ''era of toss'' seem worse than it actually was era of Toss goes from Dear winning his season finals to Trap winning MLG. In that time there were 24 Premier Tournaments. Among those 24, Protoss won 16. Among the 8 they didn't win, Taeja won 4, Jaedong won a weak Asus, Life won a weak Bucharest, Hyun beat Oz and Soulkey won against Sora. Worse than it actually was? I dunno Among the 16 Protoss winners, there were very few flukes though. Most of the players that were crowned during this era are still reckoned for their strength.
Like I said before, in the first half of 2014 Protoss won 10/12 premier events. These ten events were won by ten different protoss players. That's insane. Some of them were at the top of the game, but tbh not all of them were
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On September 22 2014 01:21 kaykoose wrote:Bomber wtf man
What did he say?
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Bomber, that's not funny.
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On September 22 2014 01:19 r691175002 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2014 01:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 22 2014 01:16 stuchiu wrote:On September 22 2014 01:12 Varroth wrote:On September 22 2014 01:11 Mozdk wrote:On September 22 2014 01:10 r691175002 wrote:On September 22 2014 01:09 Varroth wrote:
Sooo...When will it be acceptable to say terran op as everyone said ''toss op'' 1-2 months ago? When Terran wins every single premiere tournament for 6 months straight. Every Premiere Tournament.. Then it will be equivalent. Has that happened? No it hasn't they just want the ''era of toss'' seem worse than it actually was era of Toss goes from Dear winning his season finals to Trap winning MLG. In that time there were 24 Premier Tournaments. Among those 24, Protoss won 16. Among the 8 they didn't win, Taeja won 4, Jaedong won a weak Asus, Life won a weak Bucharest, Hyun beat Oz and Soulkey won against Sora. Worse than it actually was? I dunno Among the 16 Protoss winners, there were very few flukes though. Most of the players that were crowned during this era are still reckoned for their strength. People always say that after the fact, because any player who has won is notable because he won. Protoss still has by far the highest number of "one hit wonder" champions.
Let's look at the list : HerO, Zest, herO, San, Classic, sOs, MC, Stardust, Pigbaby, Trap and Rain. I don't see a lot of one hit wonders here, maybe 3 are arguable (Stardust Pigbaby Classic, the unholy trinity that won all WCS season 2).
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On September 22 2014 01:18 Jazzman88 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2014 01:16 stuchiu wrote:On September 22 2014 01:12 Varroth wrote:On September 22 2014 01:11 Mozdk wrote:On September 22 2014 01:10 r691175002 wrote:On September 22 2014 01:09 Varroth wrote:
Sooo...When will it be acceptable to say terran op as everyone said ''toss op'' 1-2 months ago? When Terran wins every single premiere tournament for 6 months straight. Every Premiere Tournament.. Then it will be equivalent. Has that happened? No it hasn't they just want the ''era of toss'' seem worse than it actually was era of Toss goes from Dear winning his season finals to Trap winning MLG. In that time there were 24 Premier Tournaments. Among those 24, Protoss won 16. Among the 8 they didn't win, Taeja won 4, Jaedong won a weak Asus, Life won a weak Bucharest, Hyun beat Oz and Soulkey won against Sora. Worse than it actually was? I dunno Yeah, it was pretty bad. Problem was that it was SO skewed that now everyone's used to it being Protoss on top so that any deviation from Protoss outright winning 67% of championships and placing second or third in all the rest is considered poor and indicative of something wrong.
And superior terrans actually winning when they should terrifies everyone. I mean, if Sjaak doesn't stand the same chance of beating Maru or Inno as a top tier zerg, how could protoss be balanced?
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On September 22 2014 01:21 NexUmbra wrote:What did he say?
If i win this, I guess it's time to retire, or something like that.
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Wait what? If he WINS, he will retire?????
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On September 22 2014 01:21 NexUmbra wrote:What did he say?
"I guess if I win this I retire." or something along those lines.
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Couldn't catch Cure match, but the only way this guy can be stopped is TvT.
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EPT
