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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-21 16:17:01
September 21 2014 16:14 GMT
#381
On September 22 2014 01:11 Varroth wrote:
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On September 22 2014 01:10 r691175002 wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:09 Varroth wrote:
Sooo...When will it be acceptable to say terran op as everyone said ''toss op'' 1-2 months ago?

When Terran wins every single premiere tournament for 6 months straight.

Every Premiere Tournament..

Then it will be equivalent.



Thing is protoss didn't do that...

From the beginning of 2014 til July Protoss won 10/12 Premier tournaments. Not only that 6/12 were PvP finals. That's not quite as bad as what he said, but it's still crazy. Way too early to say terran is that strong. let me add, that 10 DIFFERENT protoss players won those events. So it wasn't just 2-3 godlike players causing it
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Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
September 21 2014 16:14 GMT
#382
TvT is the best mirror - when you get cool long games of marine tank.

TvT finals tend not to produce that as players bring out the more aggressive builds.

It's like how PvP can be cool when it's LASERS OMG, but more often than not it's decided by 1 base blink or something.
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TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
September 21 2014 16:14 GMT
#383
On September 22 2014 01:12 opisska wrote:
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On September 22 2014 01:10 Mozdk wrote:
I would watch any ZvZ or TvZ final. But not TvT. Ggs this weekend. I'm out!


Why on Earth? TvT has always been the best matchup by miles.

Wow....Never.
PvP is the best mirror mu by far.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
September 21 2014 16:14 GMT
#384
On September 22 2014 01:12 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
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On September 22 2014 01:10 Mozdk wrote:
I would watch any ZvZ or TvZ final. But not TvT. Ggs this weekend. I'm out!

I prefer a TvT over any other mirror matchup. Flash vs Taeja from IEM Toronto is a great example of exciting TvT.

PvP and ZvZ are boring as fuck, but that's just my opinion.

TvT only gets really entertaining past the 15-20 minute mark. After that it's possibly the best matchup in the game.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
September 21 2014 16:15 GMT
#385
On September 22 2014 01:11 sibs wrote:
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On September 22 2014 01:09 Wintex wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:07 sibs wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:02 AWalker9 wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:00 pigmanbear wrote:
Thanks Blizzard for making sure every finals is TvT. This is almost as bad as end of WoL w/ BL/inf.


Yeah, Zest vs herO, Jaedong vs Snute, Flash vs Zest, Hyun vs Sen. So much TvT in finals.


That zvz final doesn't even count come on now .

We've had more TvT finals lately, but the most stacked tournament was PvP still... PvP in RoS is already way worst than ZvZ near the end of WoL.

Reaper of Souls?


haha lol, yes been playing too much D3 lately, yes HOTS sorry.

Dude fuck kadala she's not giving me my Akkhan's or the seasonal shield god damn it.
The Bomber boy
r691175002
Profile Joined October 2012
249 Posts
September 21 2014 16:15 GMT
#386
On September 22 2014 01:12 Varroth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 01:11 Mozdk wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:10 r691175002 wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:09 Varroth wrote:
Sooo...When will it be acceptable to say terran op as everyone said ''toss op'' 1-2 months ago?

When Terran wins every single premiere tournament for 6 months straight.

Every Premiere Tournament..

Then it will be equivalent.


Has that happened?


No it hasn't they just want the ''era of toss'' seem worse than it actually was

Okay, Protoss is allowed to complain after they lose 16 consecutive premiere tournaments over a 6 month period.

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Jazzman88
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada2228 Posts
September 21 2014 16:15 GMT
#387
Time to study the Cure VoDs endlessly to continue helping my TvP...

Dear sweet Overmind, what a badass.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
September 21 2014 16:15 GMT
#388
Thank you Kevin and Rotterdam.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10080 Posts
September 21 2014 16:15 GMT
#389
On September 22 2014 01:15 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 01:11 sibs wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:09 Wintex wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:07 sibs wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:02 AWalker9 wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:00 pigmanbear wrote:
Thanks Blizzard for making sure every finals is TvT. This is almost as bad as end of WoL w/ BL/inf.


Yeah, Zest vs herO, Jaedong vs Snute, Flash vs Zest, Hyun vs Sen. So much TvT in finals.


That zvz final doesn't even count come on now .

We've had more TvT finals lately, but the most stacked tournament was PvP still... PvP in RoS is already way worst than ZvZ near the end of WoL.

Reaper of Souls?


haha lol, yes been playing too much D3 lately, yes HOTS sorry.

Dude fuck kadala she's not giving me my Akkhan's or the seasonal shield god damn it.

i burned 500 blood shards last week and got nothing ... that bitch
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
JazzJackrabbit
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1272 Posts
September 21 2014 16:15 GMT
#390
Woooo TvT finals.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
September 21 2014 16:16 GMT
#391
On September 22 2014 01:12 Varroth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 01:11 Mozdk wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:10 r691175002 wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:09 Varroth wrote:
Sooo...When will it be acceptable to say terran op as everyone said ''toss op'' 1-2 months ago?

When Terran wins every single premiere tournament for 6 months straight.

Every Premiere Tournament..

Then it will be equivalent.


Has that happened?


No it hasn't they just want the ''era of toss'' seem worse than it actually was


era of Toss goes from Dear winning his season finals to Trap winning MLG.

In that time there were 24 Premier Tournaments. Among those 24, Protoss won 16. Among the 8 they didn't win, Taeja won 4, Jaedong won a weak Asus, Life won a weak Bucharest, Hyun beat Oz and Soulkey won against Sora.

Worse than it actually was? I dunno
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
September 21 2014 16:16 GMT
#392
On September 22 2014 01:13 Mozdk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 01:12 opisska wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:10 Mozdk wrote:
I would watch any ZvZ or TvZ final. But not TvT. Ggs this weekend. I'm out!


Why on Earth? TvT has always been the best matchup by miles.


It has always been the worst by miles


What specificaly do you dislike? Maybe the early game is too volatile, yes, but after that, the terrans in this tournament have show their willingess to play marine-tank vs. marine-tank, which is always different, always new tactics and positions and almost never ends in a single big-blob battle.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
September 21 2014 16:16 GMT
#393
On September 22 2014 01:15 Topin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 01:15 Wintex wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:11 sibs wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:09 Wintex wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:07 sibs wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:02 AWalker9 wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:00 pigmanbear wrote:
Thanks Blizzard for making sure every finals is TvT. This is almost as bad as end of WoL w/ BL/inf.


Yeah, Zest vs herO, Jaedong vs Snute, Flash vs Zest, Hyun vs Sen. So much TvT in finals.


That zvz final doesn't even count come on now .

We've had more TvT finals lately, but the most stacked tournament was PvP still... PvP in RoS is already way worst than ZvZ near the end of WoL.

Reaper of Souls?


haha lol, yes been playing too much D3 lately, yes HOTS sorry.

Dude fuck kadala she's not giving me my Akkhan's or the seasonal shield god damn it.

i burned 500 blood shards last week and got nothing ... that bitch

I burned 1k today... nothing.
The Bomber boy
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
September 21 2014 16:16 GMT
#394
Axeltoss please, stop asking about mindsets and how they prepared. The answer is always "I didn't prepare anything" or some generic answer about mindset.
Refer to my post.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
September 21 2014 16:18 GMT
#395
On September 22 2014 01:16 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 01:12 Varroth wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:11 Mozdk wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:10 r691175002 wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:09 Varroth wrote:
Sooo...When will it be acceptable to say terran op as everyone said ''toss op'' 1-2 months ago?

When Terran wins every single premiere tournament for 6 months straight.

Every Premiere Tournament..

Then it will be equivalent.


Has that happened?


No it hasn't they just want the ''era of toss'' seem worse than it actually was


era of Toss goes from Dear winning his season finals to Trap winning MLG.

In that time there were 24 Premier Tournaments. Among those 24, Protoss won 16. Among the 8 they didn't win, Taeja won 4, Jaedong won a weak Asus, Life won a weak Bucharest, Hyun beat Oz and Soulkey won against Sora.

Worse than it actually was? I dunno


In the same amount of time BL/infestor era had about 16-19 tournaments of the same time period. They won 11.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
September 21 2014 16:18 GMT
#396
On September 22 2014 01:16 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 01:15 Topin wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:15 Wintex wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:11 sibs wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:09 Wintex wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:07 sibs wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:02 AWalker9 wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:00 pigmanbear wrote:
Thanks Blizzard for making sure every finals is TvT. This is almost as bad as end of WoL w/ BL/inf.


Yeah, Zest vs herO, Jaedong vs Snute, Flash vs Zest, Hyun vs Sen. So much TvT in finals.


That zvz final doesn't even count come on now .

We've had more TvT finals lately, but the most stacked tournament was PvP still... PvP in RoS is already way worst than ZvZ near the end of WoL.

Reaper of Souls?


haha lol, yes been playing too much D3 lately, yes HOTS sorry.

Dude fuck kadala she's not giving me my Akkhan's or the seasonal shield god damn it.

i burned 500 blood shards last week and got nothing ... that bitch

I burned 1k today... nothing.


Maybe the expansion was meant for players to go reap HER soul. :O
kiss kiss fall in love
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24203 Posts
September 21 2014 16:18 GMT
#397
On September 22 2014 01:16 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 01:12 Varroth wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:11 Mozdk wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:10 r691175002 wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:09 Varroth wrote:
Sooo...When will it be acceptable to say terran op as everyone said ''toss op'' 1-2 months ago?

When Terran wins every single premiere tournament for 6 months straight.

Every Premiere Tournament..

Then it will be equivalent.


Has that happened?


No it hasn't they just want the ''era of toss'' seem worse than it actually was


era of Toss goes from Dear winning his season finals to Trap winning MLG.

In that time there were 24 Premier Tournaments. Among those 24, Protoss won 16. Among the 8 they didn't win, Taeja won 4, Jaedong won a weak Asus, Life won a weak Bucharest, Hyun beat Oz and Soulkey won against Sora.

Worse than it actually was? I dunno


Among the 16 Protoss winners, there were very few flukes though. Most of the players that were crowned during this era are still reckoned for their strength.
Jazzman88
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada2228 Posts
September 21 2014 16:18 GMT
#398
On September 22 2014 01:16 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 01:12 Varroth wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:11 Mozdk wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:10 r691175002 wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:09 Varroth wrote:
Sooo...When will it be acceptable to say terran op as everyone said ''toss op'' 1-2 months ago?

When Terran wins every single premiere tournament for 6 months straight.

Every Premiere Tournament..

Then it will be equivalent.


Has that happened?


No it hasn't they just want the ''era of toss'' seem worse than it actually was


era of Toss goes from Dear winning his season finals to Trap winning MLG.

In that time there were 24 Premier Tournaments. Among those 24, Protoss won 16. Among the 8 they didn't win, Taeja won 4, Jaedong won a weak Asus, Life won a weak Bucharest, Hyun beat Oz and Soulkey won against Sora.

Worse than it actually was? I dunno


Yeah, it was pretty bad. Problem was that it was SO skewed that now everyone's used to it being Protoss on top so that any deviation from Protoss outright winning 67% of championships and placing second or third in all the rest is considered poor and indicative of something wrong.
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3300 Posts
September 21 2014 16:18 GMT
#399
Terran
T P Z sagi
pajoondies
Profile Joined February 2014
United States316 Posts
September 21 2014 16:19 GMT
#400
On September 22 2014 01:16 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 01:12 Varroth wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:11 Mozdk wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:10 r691175002 wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:09 Varroth wrote:
Sooo...When will it be acceptable to say terran op as everyone said ''toss op'' 1-2 months ago?

When Terran wins every single premiere tournament for 6 months straight.

Every Premiere Tournament..

Then it will be equivalent.


Has that happened?


No it hasn't they just want the ''era of toss'' seem worse than it actually was


era of Toss goes from Dear winning his season finals to Trap winning MLG.

In that time there were 24 Premier Tournaments. Among those 24, Protoss won 16. Among the 8 they didn't win, Taeja won 4, Jaedong won a weak Asus, Life won a weak Bucharest, Hyun beat Oz and Soulkey won against Sora.

Worse than it actually was? I dunno


Every time I see the stats, it blows my freakin' mind.

As for RB today, I'm sad either Polt or Bomber are going out now BUT GO POLT USA
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