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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
June 08 2014 01:56 GMT
#501
On June 08 2014 10:55 pigmanbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2014 10:49 stuchiu wrote:
On June 08 2014 10:49 stuchiu wrote:
Also this game is 10x better than every PvP in the last year.


Literally ten times better than the best PvP game.

Sorry, Classic vs. sOs on Maze was pretty cool.


Oh you're right, that was cool.
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
June 08 2014 01:57 GMT
#502
On June 08 2014 10:56 silvana wrote:
We're having the TvT we so long awaited for, it's being amazing, (almost) everyone is happy... Can't we just enjoy it and stop bashing the guy who didn't like the game?

Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
June 08 2014 01:57 GMT
#503
That was a cool game
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
June 08 2014 01:57 GMT
#504
On June 08 2014 10:56 pigmanbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2014 10:55 pigmanbear wrote:
On June 08 2014 10:49 stuchiu wrote:
On June 08 2014 10:49 stuchiu wrote:
Also this game is 10x better than every PvP in the last year.


Literally ten times better than the best PvP game.

Sorry, Classic vs. sOs on Maze was pretty cool.

Also that terrible awesome long Mana Grubby game when the booths lacked AC.


That was more sadistic torture though.
Moderator
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9407 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-08 01:58:51
June 08 2014 01:57 GMT
#505
On June 08 2014 10:53 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2014 10:51 Lorning wrote:
On June 08 2014 10:50 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On June 08 2014 10:48 The_Templar wrote:
On June 08 2014 10:48 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Poll: Recommend Flash vs Bbyong Game 3?

★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
 
2%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
 
2%

★★★- Good game (1)
 
1%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
 
1%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (143)
 
94%

152 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Flash vs Bbyong Game 3?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season


SOMEONE VOTED ONE STAR
LYNCH HIM


I thought about one star, but I gave it two because it was decent up until the stupid base trade. And then it just became an hour of "find the bases" which I can't stand. This kind of nonsense happens in TvT a lot, which is why I'm glad there aren't a lot of TvTs recently

-_-

Anyway, to each his own!

Let me guess, your favorite match up is PvP?


TL;DR - I just really really hate base trade games.

Yes, actually. Unless it becomes some stupid !@#$%^&* base trade.

TvT CAN be very interesting, I just find it boring and drawn out for no reason many times. Honestly, I thought the previous game with the crazy defense vs 2rax reaper was a lot more interesting than this one, and showcased player skill in a bigger way than playing "find the base" for an hour.



More skill??? Not at all. Every master league player would (on a decent day) be able to execute the early game part of Flash vs Bbyong there from a mechanical perspective. It was instead jsut an intelligent decision by Flash, which I guess some master league players wouldn't do. Pulling injured units back and lining up Hellions isn't particularly challenging.

But G3 was an epic demonstration of skll since it required a lot of multitasking and micro.
BongChambers
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada591 Posts
June 08 2014 01:57 GMT
#506
If only Flash scouted that base to the left when it began

crazy game though, hope the rest are just as good or better !!
420
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
June 08 2014 01:58 GMT
#507
On June 08 2014 10:57 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2014 10:56 silvana wrote:
We're having the TvT we so long awaited for, it's being amazing, (almost) everyone is happy... Can't we just enjoy it and stop bashing the guy who didn't like the game?



It's the internet. There has to be arguments over everything.
Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
June 08 2014 01:58 GMT
#508
On June 08 2014 10:49 Die4Ever wrote:
this is why we need more TvT in GSL lol


Totally agree. Polt, MMA, Bomber, jjakji, Ryung, Mvp come back please. We need you in Code S.
Massive fan of Axiom eSports | Crotale#992 | Twitter: @Crot4le
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-08 01:59:20
June 08 2014 01:58 GMT
#509
On June 08 2014 10:54 WTCO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2014 10:51 The_Templar wrote:
On June 08 2014 10:50 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On June 08 2014 10:48 The_Templar wrote:
On June 08 2014 10:48 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Poll: Recommend Flash vs Bbyong Game 3?

★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
 
2%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
 
2%

★★★- Good game (1)
 
1%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
 
1%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (143)
 
94%

152 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Flash vs Bbyong Game 3?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season


SOMEONE VOTED ONE STAR
LYNCH HIM


I thought about one star, but I gave it two because it was decent up until the stupid base trade. And then it just became an hour of "find the bases" which I can't stand. This kind of nonsense happens in TvT a lot, which is why I'm glad there aren't a lot of TvTs recently

-_-

Anyway, to each his own!

You,
you what
uh
how

…
That game was so good though, and the base trade made it insane.



The main issue here is that if a PvP ended the same way then everyone would be criticizing about all the turtling going on. Happens in TvT? "OHMYGODWHATAGREATGAMETVTBESTMATCHUP!!!!!"


Yeah, most people here on TL have this huge hardon for TvT that I just don't understand. But again, it's my own opinion, so w/e. I much prefer the variety and tactical decisions that have to go in to PvP than in TvT, simple as that. You can't really compare one as better than the other, I just prefer watching the kind of mirror that PvP produces. I also honestly really like top level korean ZvZ roach wars because there are lots of really cool tactical decisions and army moves the top players make and it's not just roach ball smashing up against roach ball, but that seems to be going out of style a bit

On June 08 2014 10:56 silvana wrote:
We're having the TvT we so long awaited for, it's being amazing, (almost) everyone is happy... Can't we just enjoy it and stop bashing the guy who didn't like the game?

Yeah, I'm just gonna shut up now because the conversation is starting to get off topic and detract from the incredible (overall) series. I just didn't happen to like this one game.

Anyway, hope the rest of the series continues to be high level!
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
June 08 2014 01:58 GMT
#510

We have such a great leader. :D
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
June 08 2014 01:59 GMT
#511
Dammit, this tournament is so good its ruining my sleeping schedule, RIP.
Being awake for Proleague is gonna be tough.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
June 08 2014 01:59 GMT
#512
On June 08 2014 10:55 pigmanbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2014 10:49 stuchiu wrote:
On June 08 2014 10:49 stuchiu wrote:
Also this game is 10x better than every PvP in the last year.


Literally ten times better than the best PvP game.

Sorry, Classic vs. sOs on Maze was pretty cool.


Yeah. That was a great game.
Massive fan of Axiom eSports | Crotale#992 | Twitter: @Crot4le
ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
June 08 2014 01:59 GMT
#513
On June 08 2014 10:55 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2014 10:54 WTCO wrote:
On June 08 2014 10:51 The_Templar wrote:
On June 08 2014 10:50 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On June 08 2014 10:48 The_Templar wrote:
On June 08 2014 10:48 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Poll: Recommend Flash vs Bbyong Game 3?

★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
 
2%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
 
2%

★★★- Good game (1)
 
1%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
 
1%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (143)
 
94%

152 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Flash vs Bbyong Game 3?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season


SOMEONE VOTED ONE STAR
LYNCH HIM


I thought about one star, but I gave it two because it was decent up until the stupid base trade. And then it just became an hour of "find the bases" which I can't stand. This kind of nonsense happens in TvT a lot, which is why I'm glad there aren't a lot of TvTs recently

-_-

Anyway, to each his own!

You,
you what
uh
how

…
That game was so good though, and the base trade made it insane.



The main issue here is that if a PvP ended the same way then everyone would be criticizing about all the turtling going on. Happens in TvT? "OHMYGODWHATAGREATGAMETVTBESTMATCHUP!!!!!"

This never happens in PvP though, like ever. So you can't really compare the two. I would be freaking out if it did happen though.

Have you've seen Grubby vs Hasuobs (on Bel'Shir Vestige)? It was seriously the most insane PvP I've seen. Basetrades, took each other's mains, carriers, the whole lot.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
June 08 2014 02:00 GMT
#514
On June 08 2014 10:58 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2014 10:54 WTCO wrote:
On June 08 2014 10:51 The_Templar wrote:
On June 08 2014 10:50 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On June 08 2014 10:48 The_Templar wrote:
On June 08 2014 10:48 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Poll: Recommend Flash vs Bbyong Game 3?

★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
 
2%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
 
2%

★★★- Good game (1)
 
1%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
 
1%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (143)
 
94%

152 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Flash vs Bbyong Game 3?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season


SOMEONE VOTED ONE STAR
LYNCH HIM


I thought about one star, but I gave it two because it was decent up until the stupid base trade. And then it just became an hour of "find the bases" which I can't stand. This kind of nonsense happens in TvT a lot, which is why I'm glad there aren't a lot of TvTs recently

-_-

Anyway, to each his own!

You,
you what
uh
how

…
That game was so good though, and the base trade made it insane.



The main issue here is that if a PvP ended the same way then everyone would be criticizing about all the turtling going on. Happens in TvT? "OHMYGODWHATAGREATGAMETVTBESTMATCHUP!!!!!"


Yeah, most people here on TL have this huge hardon for TvT that I just don't understand. But again, it's my own opinion, so w/e. I much prefer the variety and tactical decisions that have to go in to PvP than in TvT, simple as that. You can't really compare one as better than the other, I just prefer watching the kind of mirror that PvP produces. I also honestly really like top level korean ZvZ roach wars because there are lots of really cool tactical decisions and army moves the top players make and it's not just roach ball smashing up against roach ball, but that seems to be going out of style a bit


you don't watch much ZvZ do you ? neither TvT if you think there's so much more variety/tactical decision in pvp.
Zest fanboy.
Jazzman88
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada2228 Posts
June 08 2014 02:00 GMT
#515
On June 08 2014 10:56 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2014 10:54 aZealot wrote:
Holy, I've passed 5000 posts on TL and I didn't even realize. My 5000th post must have been on that game. Cool.

Your 5000th post expressed your relief that you decided to watch this instead of laddering.


Watching Flash play god-mode is ALWAYS a better decision than laddering.
pigmanbear
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Angola2010 Posts
June 08 2014 02:00 GMT
#516
BathCraft commenced.
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
June 08 2014 02:00 GMT
#517
On June 08 2014 10:59 ssxsilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2014 10:55 The_Templar wrote:
On June 08 2014 10:54 WTCO wrote:
On June 08 2014 10:51 The_Templar wrote:
On June 08 2014 10:50 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On June 08 2014 10:48 The_Templar wrote:
On June 08 2014 10:48 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Poll: Recommend Flash vs Bbyong Game 3?

★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
 
2%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
 
2%

★★★- Good game (1)
 
1%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
 
1%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (143)
 
94%

152 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Flash vs Bbyong Game 3?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season


SOMEONE VOTED ONE STAR
LYNCH HIM


I thought about one star, but I gave it two because it was decent up until the stupid base trade. And then it just became an hour of "find the bases" which I can't stand. This kind of nonsense happens in TvT a lot, which is why I'm glad there aren't a lot of TvTs recently

-_-

Anyway, to each his own!

You,
you what
uh
how

…
That game was so good though, and the base trade made it insane.



The main issue here is that if a PvP ended the same way then everyone would be criticizing about all the turtling going on. Happens in TvT? "OHMYGODWHATAGREATGAMETVTBESTMATCHUP!!!!!"

This never happens in PvP though, like ever. So you can't really compare the two. I would be freaking out if it did happen though.

Have you've seen Grubby vs Hasuobs (on Bel'Shir Vestige)? It was seriously the most insane PvP I've seen. Basetrades, took each other's mains, carriers, the whole lot.

That was a very highly rated game iirc, people really did like that one.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
June 08 2014 02:00 GMT
#518
CC rax gas. Really.
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
June 08 2014 02:01 GMT
#519
That is like the greediest possible build in TvT. If Bbyong doesn't punish Flash at all then he will be irrecoverably behind.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
June 08 2014 02:01 GMT
#520
On June 08 2014 11:00 TheDwf wrote:
CC rax gas. Really.

Yeah...idk about this lol
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
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