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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On February 14 2014 03:51 ssxsilver wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 03:49 DrPandaPhD wrote:On February 14 2014 03:44 stuchiu wrote:On February 14 2014 03:43 DrPandaPhD wrote:On February 14 2014 03:38 Derez wrote:
Leenock so disappointing in HotS. Leenock's ZvP so disappointing in HotS* Honestly, almost all tournaments he has lost in has been due to ZvP.. It's just that they are everywhere now so it's hard One could say being bad vsP is the same as being bad in HotS. Yeah as it is now. I think he needed change and that's what he has got now with YoeFW. FXO/fOu didn't do well for him in the second half of 2013. He will come back, figure things out and be a top zerg again. I believe in him, I know he can do it. I just don't get how a zerg who survived all of WoL terran struggle so much to adapt -.-.
Cause you could attack WoL Terrans. You can't attack a HotS Protoss, so like 50% of his old strats are gone.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On February 14 2014 03:55 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 03:51 ssxsilver wrote:On February 14 2014 03:49 DrPandaPhD wrote:On February 14 2014 03:44 stuchiu wrote:On February 14 2014 03:43 DrPandaPhD wrote:On February 14 2014 03:38 Derez wrote:
Leenock so disappointing in HotS. Leenock's ZvP so disappointing in HotS* Honestly, almost all tournaments he has lost in has been due to ZvP.. It's just that they are everywhere now so it's hard One could say being bad vsP is the same as being bad in HotS. Yeah as it is now. I think he needed change and that's what he has got now with YoeFW. FXO/fOu didn't do well for him in the second half of 2013. He will come back, figure things out and be a top zerg again. I believe in him, I know he can do it. I just don't get how a zerg who survived all of WoL terran struggle so much to adapt -.-. Cause you could attack WoL Terrans. You can't attack a HotS Protoss, so like 50% of his old strats are gone.
No, you can definitely attack.
With lings.
Before 5 minutes.
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On February 14 2014 03:55 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 03:51 ssxsilver wrote:On February 14 2014 03:49 DrPandaPhD wrote:On February 14 2014 03:44 stuchiu wrote:On February 14 2014 03:43 DrPandaPhD wrote:On February 14 2014 03:38 Derez wrote:
Leenock so disappointing in HotS. Leenock's ZvP so disappointing in HotS* Honestly, almost all tournaments he has lost in has been due to ZvP.. It's just that they are everywhere now so it's hard One could say being bad vsP is the same as being bad in HotS. Yeah as it is now. I think he needed change and that's what he has got now with YoeFW. FXO/fOu didn't do well for him in the second half of 2013. He will come back, figure things out and be a top zerg again. I believe in him, I know he can do it. I just don't get how a zerg who survived all of WoL terran struggle so much to adapt -.-. Cause you could attack WoL Terrans. You can't attack a HotS Protoss, so like 50% of his old strats are gone.
This is actually pretty accurate. I think both him and violet were pretty similar in that they both were super super aggressive all the time. And now... well that's just not an option in zvp if you're looking for consistency
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United States23455 Posts
On February 14 2014 03:57 mYiKane wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 03:55 stuchiu wrote:On February 14 2014 03:51 ssxsilver wrote:On February 14 2014 03:49 DrPandaPhD wrote:On February 14 2014 03:44 stuchiu wrote:On February 14 2014 03:43 DrPandaPhD wrote:On February 14 2014 03:38 Derez wrote:
Leenock so disappointing in HotS. Leenock's ZvP so disappointing in HotS* Honestly, almost all tournaments he has lost in has been due to ZvP.. It's just that they are everywhere now so it's hard One could say being bad vsP is the same as being bad in HotS. Yeah as it is now. I think he needed change and that's what he has got now with YoeFW. FXO/fOu didn't do well for him in the second half of 2013. He will come back, figure things out and be a top zerg again. I believe in him, I know he can do it. I just don't get how a zerg who survived all of WoL terran struggle so much to adapt -.-. Cause you could attack WoL Terrans. You can't attack a HotS Protoss, so like 50% of his old strats are gone. This is actually pretty accurate. I think both him and violet were pretty similar in that they both were super super aggressive all the time. And now... well that's just not an option in zvp if you're looking for consistency
Partially the reason that some zergs like Life have been having some ZvP trouble.
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On February 14 2014 03:54 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 03:51 ssxsilver wrote:On February 14 2014 03:49 DrPandaPhD wrote:On February 14 2014 03:44 stuchiu wrote:On February 14 2014 03:43 DrPandaPhD wrote:On February 14 2014 03:38 Derez wrote:
Leenock so disappointing in HotS. Leenock's ZvP so disappointing in HotS* Honestly, almost all tournaments he has lost in has been due to ZvP.. It's just that they are everywhere now so it's hard One could say being bad vsP is the same as being bad in HotS. Yeah as it is now. I think he needed change and that's what he has got now with YoeFW. FXO/fOu didn't do well for him in the second half of 2013. He will come back, figure things out and be a top zerg again. I believe in him, I know he can do it. I just don't get how a zerg who survived all of WoL terran struggle so much to adapt -.-. Me and Panda actually discussed this a lot at DH, and I think we mostly agreed that his training enviroment suffered with fOu/FXO. If you don't practise properly, no matter who you are, you'll eventually fall off. The difference from WoL to HotS was likely a combination of it being a new game and practise getting worse.
I hope he figures something out. I want to go back to proclaiming him the best baby Zerg. Can't stand Life!
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oh god yeah, i love kaelaris in that role. much better than as a live commentator. tho he is not bad as that either.
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On February 14 2014 03:58 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 03:57 mYiKane wrote:On February 14 2014 03:55 stuchiu wrote:On February 14 2014 03:51 ssxsilver wrote:On February 14 2014 03:49 DrPandaPhD wrote:On February 14 2014 03:44 stuchiu wrote:On February 14 2014 03:43 DrPandaPhD wrote:On February 14 2014 03:38 Derez wrote:
Leenock so disappointing in HotS. Leenock's ZvP so disappointing in HotS* Honestly, almost all tournaments he has lost in has been due to ZvP.. It's just that they are everywhere now so it's hard One could say being bad vsP is the same as being bad in HotS. Yeah as it is now. I think he needed change and that's what he has got now with YoeFW. FXO/fOu didn't do well for him in the second half of 2013. He will come back, figure things out and be a top zerg again. I believe in him, I know he can do it. I just don't get how a zerg who survived all of WoL terran struggle so much to adapt -.-. Cause you could attack WoL Terrans. You can't attack a HotS Protoss, so like 50% of his old strats are gone. This is actually pretty accurate. I think both him and violet were pretty similar in that they both were super super aggressive all the time. And now... well that's just not an option in zvp if you're looking for consistency Partially the reason that some zergs like Life have been having some ZvP trouble.
Almost all the zergs I talk to were having trouble vs protoss before this whole swarm host influx.
Even the zergs that were having good results said that zvp was a tough matchup for them.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On February 14 2014 03:59 ssxsilver wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 03:54 Zealously wrote:On February 14 2014 03:51 ssxsilver wrote:On February 14 2014 03:49 DrPandaPhD wrote:On February 14 2014 03:44 stuchiu wrote:On February 14 2014 03:43 DrPandaPhD wrote:On February 14 2014 03:38 Derez wrote:
Leenock so disappointing in HotS. Leenock's ZvP so disappointing in HotS* Honestly, almost all tournaments he has lost in has been due to ZvP.. It's just that they are everywhere now so it's hard One could say being bad vsP is the same as being bad in HotS. Yeah as it is now. I think he needed change and that's what he has got now with YoeFW. FXO/fOu didn't do well for him in the second half of 2013. He will come back, figure things out and be a top zerg again. I believe in him, I know he can do it. I just don't get how a zerg who survived all of WoL terran struggle so much to adapt -.-. Me and Panda actually discussed this a lot at DH, and I think we mostly agreed that his training enviroment suffered with fOu/FXO. If you don't practise properly, no matter who you are, you'll eventually fall off. The difference from WoL to HotS was likely a combination of it being a new game and practise getting worse. I hope he figures something out. I want to go back to proclaiming him the best baby Zerg. Can't stand Life!
I want Leenock to be great too but if you don't like Life you need to leave your computer immediately
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United States23455 Posts
Kaelaris needs to get a haircut for season 4 right?
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All the talk doesnt matter, when Patience and Hyun get out to the Brackets i guess :D.
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Can someone update Liquipedia?
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United States23455 Posts
On February 14 2014 04:02 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
All the talk doesnt matter, when Patience and Hyun get out to the Brackets i guess :D.
If Leenock meets Hyun in the loser's final I could see that going either way.
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On February 14 2014 04:02 NarutO wrote:
Can someone update Liquipedia?
It's updated as far as I could I thought? TT
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On February 14 2014 04:03 Darkhoarse wrote:It's updated as far as I could I thought? TT
Yup, its correct
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grubbster  (( so sad
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On February 14 2014 04:00 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 03:59 ssxsilver wrote:On February 14 2014 03:54 Zealously wrote:On February 14 2014 03:51 ssxsilver wrote:On February 14 2014 03:49 DrPandaPhD wrote:On February 14 2014 03:44 stuchiu wrote:On February 14 2014 03:43 DrPandaPhD wrote:On February 14 2014 03:38 Derez wrote:
Leenock so disappointing in HotS. Leenock's ZvP so disappointing in HotS* Honestly, almost all tournaments he has lost in has been due to ZvP.. It's just that they are everywhere now so it's hard One could say being bad vsP is the same as being bad in HotS. Yeah as it is now. I think he needed change and that's what he has got now with YoeFW. FXO/fOu didn't do well for him in the second half of 2013. He will come back, figure things out and be a top zerg again. I believe in him, I know he can do it. I just don't get how a zerg who survived all of WoL terran struggle so much to adapt -.-. Me and Panda actually discussed this a lot at DH, and I think we mostly agreed that his training enviroment suffered with fOu/FXO. If you don't practise properly, no matter who you are, you'll eventually fall off. The difference from WoL to HotS was likely a combination of it being a new game and practise getting worse. I hope he figures something out. I want to go back to proclaiming him the best baby Zerg. Can't stand Life! I want Leenock to be great too but if you don't like Life you need to leave your computer immediately
I actually do have to leave my computer immediately! Dammit I'm gonna miss a Tod+Ret cast.
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On February 14 2014 04:03 NovaMB wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 04:03 Darkhoarse wrote:On February 14 2014 04:02 NarutO wrote:
Can someone update Liquipedia? It's updated as far as I could I thought? TT Yup, its correct
With the exception of the first two maps for Violet vs Hyun that was not on any stream.
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