• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 22:57
CET 04:57
KST 12:57
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Dark completes military service, returns to SC211[BSL23] RO16 Group Stage19Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top?2Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175
StarCraft 2
General
Dark completes military service, returns to SC2 Greetings.. No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Serral's getting trashed by New Catsle's Mind Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top?
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Dark returns! GSL CK #7 4v4 Team Battle (Nov 19) soO & FanTaSy return! SC2 Kevin Scrim 4v4 (Nov 16) RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 Tasteless Time Warp: SC Evo Showmatch (May 25)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps Starcraft 2 Advance [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 551 Robotic Revival Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles
Brood War
General
Korean players' earnings Hit New All-Time High! SOOP Hosts SC1 & SC2 Event Tournament: Kevin Scrim BW General Discussion Recommended BW Settings for Mouse and Video List of top players active on ShieldBattery
Tourneys
[BSL23] Ro16 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Bisu's Team vs Shuttle's Team 2026-11-14
Strategy
Pluto's TvP 5Marine 2Medic Push Simple Questions, Simple Answers Infested Terran strategies in 2026 Nuke strategy worked in K-League 2026-11-09
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Free Space RTS Game, optimised f. Phone/Tablet etc List of Game Threads The PlayStation 5
Dota 2
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Trading/Investing Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The time I organised my…
AssyrianKing
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 12618 users

[MLG] Day 2 Winter Championship - Page 64

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 62 63 64 65 66 640 Next
The usual: Don't flame casters or players. Don't discuss balance in this or any LR thread. Don't call your fellow posters idiots. Be excited, happy and entertained.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
March 16 2013 17:55 GMT
#1261
On March 17 2013 02:53 sertman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 02:51 AxionSteel wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:49 Emzeeshady wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:48 ZenithM wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:45 Tobblish wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:44 ZenithM wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:43 Tobblish wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:42 Scarecrow wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:41 Talack wrote:
Medivac boost is really OP on "cloud kingdom"

The speed boost combined with how the 3rd and main are set up is just ridiculous

It's only OP when you fail at cheese then try to take a third.


Please just stop.

He's kind of right though. Failed DTs don't transition well into a quick third with drops around :/


Still the current Afterburners is too stronk.
And yes I play Terran and on a map like Cloud it's just lol.

I don't know man. Wait for foreign Terrans to crush Korean Zergs for 6 months and maybe Blizzard will call it slightly too strong :D

This will never happen. Foreign Terrans are terrible


No worse than foreign zergs.


do people still argue this? terran is statistically and objectively the most difficult race for foreigners to play. it's not OP, or UP, it's just more difficult. can you even name five foreign terrans who could realistically compete in Code A?


that supports my argument. That's the reason foreign terrans struggled compared to foreign zergs , it's a far more demanding race to play.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-16 17:55:42
March 16 2013 17:55 GMT
#1262
On March 17 2013 02:54 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 02:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Someone should do million dollar death poll for Minigun taking a game off Life

Would you take it? I'm certainly not. Bly already killed me yesterday.

I live pretty dangerously and died from HongUn vs MC (I think? maybe another game around that time) like 2 years ago so I'd probably take it
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
March 16 2013 17:55 GMT
#1263
On March 17 2013 02:54 ujonecro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 02:54 Dodgin wrote:
wow mc 3-0 cjhero, that's way more one sided than I expected.

elephants or something.


Games werent one sided at all.

Experience surely helped MC, at least in the last game.
The Bomber boy
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
March 16 2013 17:55 GMT
#1264
--- Nuked ---
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
March 16 2013 17:55 GMT
#1265
Looking ahead, Last has a 6-8 overall proleague record with a 3-4 record against zerg. Possible upset here?
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-16 17:56:51
March 16 2013 17:55 GMT
#1266
On March 17 2013 02:52 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 02:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:51 AxionSteel wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:49 Emzeeshady wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:48 ZenithM wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:45 Tobblish wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:44 ZenithM wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:43 Tobblish wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:42 Scarecrow wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:41 Talack wrote:
Medivac boost is really OP on "cloud kingdom"

The speed boost combined with how the 3rd and main are set up is just ridiculous

It's only OP when you fail at cheese then try to take a third.


Please just stop.

He's kind of right though. Failed DTs don't transition well into a quick third with drops around :/


Still the current Afterburners is too stronk.
And yes I play Terran and on a map like Cloud it's just lol.

I don't know man. Wait for foreign Terrans to crush Korean Zergs for 6 months and maybe Blizzard will call it slightly too strong :D

This will never happen. Foreign Terrans are terrible


No worse than foreign zergs.


Yes. Yes they are actually


Prove it


For their respective eras. Among foreign terrans I can only think of:

Lucifron, Jinro, Kas, Demuslim, and Kas as being good.

For Zerg even ignoring Stephano: Idra, Dimaga, Sen, Scarlett, Ret, and Xigua were all badasses

edit: oh yeah, how could I forget Nerchio. He's really good too.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
March 16 2013 17:55 GMT
#1267
On March 17 2013 02:54 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 02:54 Tobblish wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:53 Fionn wrote:
SC2 double the viewers of LoL's amateur tournament.

We're #1 again. Pop the champagne. All thanks to Chad Jones.


Well is it live this time?


Yeah, it's their LCS promotional amateur team something something tournament.

...so it's not real?
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
March 16 2013 17:55 GMT
#1268
On March 17 2013 02:55 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 02:44 Fionn wrote:
I'm okay with Terran being OP because all the best match-ups are with Terran in it.

Yeah, I said it.


Whoa I never knew we could call other races imba in LR threads

+ Show Spoiler +
Protoss and Zerg OP


A race is only OP to me if we have six straight months of the same race mirror match-up in major finals.

Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Sc2Null
Profile Joined April 2011
United States3754 Posts
March 16 2013 17:55 GMT
#1269
On March 17 2013 02:54 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 02:50 Noocta wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:49 Emzeeshady wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:48 ZenithM wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:45 Tobblish wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:44 ZenithM wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:43 Tobblish wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:42 Scarecrow wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:41 Talack wrote:
Medivac boost is really OP on "cloud kingdom"

The speed boost combined with how the 3rd and main are set up is just ridiculous

It's only OP when you fail at cheese then try to take a third.


Please just stop.

He's kind of right though. Failed DTs don't transition well into a quick third with drops around :/


Still the current Afterburners is too stronk.
And yes I play Terran and on a map like Cloud it's just lol.

I don't know man. Wait for foreign Terrans to crush Korean Zergs for 6 months and maybe Blizzard will call it slightly too strong :D

This will never happen. Foreign Terrans are terrible


Most foreign zergs are terrible too.

Scarlett? STEPHANO? Nerchio? Vortix?

Foreign SC2 is ruled by Zergs


nah non-korean zergs can actually stand against koreans....or have a shot..foreign zerg/terrans are just fodder
The great Spaghetti vs Screwdriver debacle of June '12" - Porcelina
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
March 16 2013 17:56 GMT
#1270
Alright guys, enough with how much worse some foreigners are than others. Talk about the games!
Moderator
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
March 16 2013 17:56 GMT
#1271
On March 17 2013 02:55 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 02:52 AxionSteel wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:51 AxionSteel wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:49 Emzeeshady wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:48 ZenithM wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:45 Tobblish wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:44 ZenithM wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:43 Tobblish wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:42 Scarecrow wrote:
[quote]
It's only OP when you fail at cheese then try to take a third.


Please just stop.

He's kind of right though. Failed DTs don't transition well into a quick third with drops around :/


Still the current Afterburners is too stronk.
And yes I play Terran and on a map like Cloud it's just lol.

I don't know man. Wait for foreign Terrans to crush Korean Zergs for 6 months and maybe Blizzard will call it slightly too strong :D

This will never happen. Foreign Terrans are terrible


No worse than foreign zergs.


Yes. Yes they are actually


Prove it


For their respective eras. Among foreign terrans I can only think of:

Lucifron, Jinro, Kas, Demuslim, and Kas as being good.

For Zerg even ignoring Stephano: Idra, Dimaga, Sen, Scarlett, Ret, and Xigua were all badasses


It boggles my mind that you would put IdrA and Scarlett on that list but not Nerchio, it really really does.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
March 16 2013 17:56 GMT
#1272
Zealot doesn't want to die.
The Bomber boy
Zebb
Profile Joined March 2011
United States834 Posts
March 16 2013 17:56 GMT
#1273
so much move command on the core...
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
March 16 2013 17:57 GMT
#1274
On March 17 2013 02:56 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 02:55 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:52 AxionSteel wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:51 AxionSteel wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:49 Emzeeshady wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:48 ZenithM wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:45 Tobblish wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:44 ZenithM wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:43 Tobblish wrote:
[quote]

Please just stop.

He's kind of right though. Failed DTs don't transition well into a quick third with drops around :/


Still the current Afterburners is too stronk.
And yes I play Terran and on a map like Cloud it's just lol.

I don't know man. Wait for foreign Terrans to crush Korean Zergs for 6 months and maybe Blizzard will call it slightly too strong :D

This will never happen. Foreign Terrans are terrible


No worse than foreign zergs.


Yes. Yes they are actually


Prove it


For their respective eras. Among foreign terrans I can only think of:

Lucifron, Jinro, Kas, Demuslim, and Kas as being good.

For Zerg even ignoring Stephano: Idra, Dimaga, Sen, Scarlett, Ret, and Xigua were all badasses


It boggles my mind that you would put IdrA and Scarlett on that list but not Nerchio, it really really does.

Well Scarlett deserves to be on the list, but I agree with your point about Nerchio. He's good
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
LeanMeanMacroMachine
Profile Joined May 2012
54 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-16 17:58:02
March 16 2013 17:57 GMT
#1275
..
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
March 16 2013 17:57 GMT
#1276
On March 17 2013 02:53 bankobauss wrote:
instead of nerfing terran id say protoss could stand some slight buffing when it comes to buildtimes

i believe pheonix are the perfectly designed unit protoss already has to deal with medivacs. the cost/strength of phoenix, 150/100/2food gives you a pretty powerful unit to deal with drops and small marauding bio forces

imagine instead of every 2 stalkers (250/100) you had 1zealot and 1pheonix (250/100). think about it the pheonix are so much faster and superior and can actually get those darn medivacs

imagine if a protoss had 15 pheonix's spread out on the map to intercept drops and a strong ground army of collossi/storm/etc and when you see the terran moving in you can tell if its most of his army the pheonix are so fast they can respond and join the fight within 13 seconds while you retreat and drop down defensive storms for those 13 seconds.

pheonix IMO in that situation is much better than stalkers. Imagine you can have 30 stalkers OR 15 pheonix 15 zealot in your forces. Obviously the pheonix is more desire-able they can kill medivacs and even in that amount kill the drops themselves too


the problem is protoss as a race is just "so slow" right now... the COST of pheonix is good but its just the mechanics of protoss race where they are so forced into massing gateway units all game just to have a surviving chance..... it seems protoss ALREADY has the proper units to deal with this stuff with proper cost and balance and strength, its just the design of the race mechanics that makes it so difficult and i believe imo thats where the fixes should be addressed



I like the way you think, but with chrono a Phoenix builds insanely fast, faster than a Zealot even. And when it comes to balance. Blizzard shouldn't touch balance at all for at least two months. There will be some broken bullshit for a while here, but its better to have that then to change shit before players can figure things out.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
March 16 2013 17:57 GMT
#1277
On March 17 2013 02:56 Myles wrote:
Alright guys, enough with how much worse some foreigners are than others. Talk about the games!


There's no game right now.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
March 16 2013 17:57 GMT
#1278
On March 17 2013 02:56 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 02:55 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:52 AxionSteel wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:51 AxionSteel wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:49 Emzeeshady wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:48 ZenithM wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:45 Tobblish wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:44 ZenithM wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:43 Tobblish wrote:
[quote]

Please just stop.

He's kind of right though. Failed DTs don't transition well into a quick third with drops around :/


Still the current Afterburners is too stronk.
And yes I play Terran and on a map like Cloud it's just lol.

I don't know man. Wait for foreign Terrans to crush Korean Zergs for 6 months and maybe Blizzard will call it slightly too strong :D

This will never happen. Foreign Terrans are terrible


No worse than foreign zergs.


Yes. Yes they are actually


Prove it


For their respective eras. Among foreign terrans I can only think of:

Lucifron, Jinro, Kas, Demuslim, and Kas as being good.

For Zerg even ignoring Stephano: Idra, Dimaga, Sen, Scarlett, Ret, and Xigua were all badasses


It boggles my mind that you would put IdrA and Scarlett on that list but not Nerchio, it really really does.


I made an edit -_-. See there's so many better foreign zerg than terran I'm actually forgetting people
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
March 16 2013 17:57 GMT
#1279
Wow just woke up to see MC 3-0'd hero.

Awesome
xongnox
Profile Joined November 2011
540 Posts
March 16 2013 17:57 GMT
#1280
On March 17 2013 02:51 MuseMike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 02:49 xongnox wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:45 Talack wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:44 Wintex wrote:
Afterburners are extremely good on maps like that. MAPS will matter more now. Thank god.


Yeah the ability is not that OP on some maps but ones like cloud kingdom (or can you imagine antiga shipyard? lol) it's ridiculously strong on.


like blink ? :D
idk why toss doesn't open more stargate on this maps. phoenix really good vs medivacs :p, and oracle shut down mines pretty hard.

You have to heavily, heavily invest in stalkers which is really dangerous versus Terran if you want to use Blink to defend.


I was talking about offensive blink play witch have being incredibly strong on this maps since ever :D
indeed defensive blink play vs T is questionable, but some players like MC doses it a lot, and MC nearly ever never dies to drop. So maybe it's not that bad. But imo we will see more stargate play in this MU. Btw free hallucinated phoenix pretty good too.
Prev 1 62 63 64 65 66 640 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 6h 4m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 208
WinterStarcraft58
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 15233
Noble 16
Icarus 6
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm180
League of Legends
JimRising 718
Reynor20
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor123
Other Games
summit1g9755
ToD117
ViBE42
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV325
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 86
• davetesta45
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush363
Other Games
• Shiphtur260
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6h 4m
WardiTV Invitational
8h 4m
IPSL
13h 4m
Art_Of_Turtle vs KameZerg
Radley vs George
BSL
16h 4m
Artosis vs Dewalt
Ret vs Tech
SOOP
1d 6h
soO vs FanTaSy
WardiTV Weekly
1d 8h
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
GSL
4 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
BSL
6 days
eOnzErG vs StRyKeR
Cross vs JDConan
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-14
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

YSL S4
Sector 591
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
StarCraft2 Weekly Open Tournament 2026 Grand Finals
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
IEM Kraków 2027
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.