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The usual: Don't flame casters or players. Don't discuss balance in this or any LR thread. Don't call your fellow posters idiots. Be excited, happy and entertained.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
March 17 2013 05:25 GMT
#11861
On March 17 2013 14:23 Tayar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 14:22 Zealously wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:22 1raxexpand wrote:
life still the best zerg?


Of course, was that ever in question?

roro and symbol might disagree

Symbol is great in prepared matches, but I feel like Life can out-muscle him. RorO just seems like a weaker opponent than Life. Soulkey should stop meeting Life in the Ro16 so we can see Life ascend.
The Bomber boy
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
March 17 2013 05:25 GMT
#11862
On March 17 2013 14:24 lannisport wrote:
Life is the zerg Jaedong really should've been... Intelligent, aggressive, possessing impeccable unit control and flawless mechanics (And of course a master of turning 0-3 to 4-3. He is Jaedong 2.0

What if Life is actually a clone of Jaedong from the future that has been sent into the past to dominate SC2.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 05:29:26
March 17 2013 05:26 GMT
#11863
On March 17 2013 13:24 Plansix wrote:
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On March 17 2013 13:18 Toadvine wrote:
On March 17 2013 13:11 Plansix wrote:
On March 17 2013 13:09 Toadvine wrote:
On March 17 2013 13:06 Plansix wrote:
On March 17 2013 13:02 ZenithM wrote:
I'm not too fan of Time Warp's design, it has the same problem Force field, concussive shell and fungals have, it prevents micro without really doing anything.
It would be cooler if it increased your own units' move speed instead, allowing Protoss to kite more effectively with stalkers and pull back sentries more quickly or something.


God knows we shouldn't have any abilities that slow down or impede moment in SC2. Because other RTS games don't have those, especially BW. Only abilities that speed units ups to blinding speeds.


Yeah man, hard to find a BW game without Ensnare and Maelstrom being spammed left and right! Good thing you were here to point this out, much appreciated!

Edit: Oh, and Lockdown, another fan favorite.


What about stasis? Remember the spell that just closed down a chunk of your army. 30 supply vs 30 supply, not any more. Now is 30 vs 10 and then 20 once stasis runs out.


I excluded it based on the fact that it doesn't let the affected units be damaged, a property all the other abilities (both SC2 and BW) share, and therefore served a different function. Stasis wasn't really used to stop micro either, but to disable key units for the duration of an engagement. Again, unlike everything else mentioned.

One could also point out how all the micro-stopping BW abilities belonged to high-tech, expensive spellcasters and often required additional research. As opposed to FF, Concussive Shell, Time Warp, and Fungal to a lesser extent.

But I'm sure you knew that already, and your "Adding more micro-stopping abilities to SC2 is great because BW had Maelstrom!" argument was offered purely in jest.


I did know all of that, actually, I just didn't care. But after three years of "they need to remove spells that reduce micro" I have gotten tired of hearing it. Its the same thing over and over from arm chair game designers and its really dumb.


Blizzard did change/nerf "micro stopping abilities" to one of the most commonly complained about ability:
Fungal Growth.


Instead of being instant, it can be dodged now (it's a projectile) and the masses cheered!

Slows aren't too "unmicroable" compared to something like Fungal growth.

Also about the BW debate, nearly every slow or stun ability were rarely used. (Also Dark Archons were good with Maelstrom but it was an issue of risk/reward because going DA against Mutalisk instead of just staying Corsairs was risky.)

(Also due to lack of smart cast in BW, things like using Ghost for lockdown (which was rarely used anyway) was actually hard to do because you had to click each one of them separately to cast it on one mech unit separately.)

Here's why projectile Fungal is a huge change, it can be dodged... like this Arbiter dodging two Science Vessels' EMP like a boss.
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A lot of complaints about SC2 are valid. Most of them from WoL did get fixed in HotS due to feedback (most of the new units, besides Tempest, were intentionally designed not to add to the deathball which is one of the most complained about things in SC2).

I agree though, the way Blizzard has done HotS is really good considering they stuck true to most of the things they defend (I like the fewer resources per base idea but it is a huge drastic change to SC2, the way HotS is done is that most things aren't changed too much while reducing the issues WoL had like how most of the time it was just max to 200/200[especially in any match up involving Protoss that wasn't PvP], then one fight, then game over).

On March 17 2013 14:25 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 14:23 Tayar wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:22 Zealously wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:22 1raxexpand wrote:
life still the best zerg?


Of course, was that ever in question?

roro and symbol might disagree

Symbol is great in prepared matches, but I feel like Life can out-muscle him. RorO just seems like a weaker opponent than Life. Soulkey should stop meeting Life in the Ro16 so we can see Life ascend.

RorO defeated Life himself.

RorO has the potential to be the next Zerg bonjwa.
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LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
March 17 2013 05:26 GMT
#11864
Funny thing is that the only match up life can play to win is TvZ
He can easily beat Last in Ro8
His real competition is Bomber/MC
and then one of Parting/Flash/Rain/Innovation.

Entirely doable, although the final challenge seems to be the ultimate test
eonDE
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada371 Posts
March 17 2013 05:26 GMT
#11865
On March 17 2013 14:20 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 14:19 eonDE wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:09 AgentW wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:05 eonDE wrote:
It's not just about the plane trip guys. At his age in Korea they don't stay up this late.

I think this is completely incorrect. The time on the clock is irrelevant to Life. His body is lagged and exposed to being awake at hours in which his Circadian rhythms don't want him to be, and that's the problem.

That's making a massive assumption that none of these guys make an effort to adjust. Every athlete has a program they do in order to deal with this. Unless he just got off the plane the very same day then I guess this does not apply. But more than physically, he's disciplined to sleep are a particular time.

Life, who can't play past midnight or whatever in Korea, changing his sleep schedule for a foreign tournament? I find that unlikely.

Well, I can't explain how of all the various sports that I've watched, not one constantly brings up players being jetlagged.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
March 17 2013 05:26 GMT
#11866
On March 17 2013 14:23 Tayar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 14:22 Zealously wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:22 1raxexpand wrote:
life still the best zerg?


Of course, was that ever in question?

roro and symbol might disagree

Symbol won't be worth a kopeck in HotS compared to Life. Mark my words.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 17 2013 05:26 GMT
#11867
On March 17 2013 14:23 Tayar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 14:22 Zealously wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:22 1raxexpand wrote:
life still the best zerg?


Of course, was that ever in question?

roro and symbol might disagree


I like Symbol a lot (and also hate Roro more than anything else on earth), but I don't think there is a good argument for Roro/Symbol > Life, except that they both made the finals in a tournament where Life didn't.
AdministratorBreak the chains
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
March 17 2013 05:26 GMT
#11868
LIFE IS GOOD
Someone call down the Thunder?
edgeOut
Profile Joined February 2013
United States945 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 05:27:16
March 17 2013 05:27 GMT
#11869
On March 17 2013 14:25 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 14:23 Tayar wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:22 Zealously wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:22 1raxexpand wrote:
life still the best zerg?


Of course, was that ever in question?

roro and symbol might disagree

Symbol is great in prepared matches, but I feel like Life can out-muscle him. RorO just seems like a weaker opponent than Life. Soulkey should stop meeting Life in the Ro16 so we can see Life ascend.


It's roro who eliminated life in ro16 of recent GSL.
Fuck you Zealously! For the fuck you give to those players.
regizer239
Profile Joined March 2012
Guam327 Posts
March 17 2013 05:27 GMT
#11870
I wanna see Life play when hes fully rested
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
March 17 2013 05:27 GMT
#11871
I am conflicted by this match because on one hand id like a zerg to survive, but I also picked polt to win this in the bracket contest where I am kicking serious ass, but I also dont like polt...
BoZiffer
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1841 Posts
March 17 2013 05:27 GMT
#11872
On March 17 2013 14:26 eonDE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 14:20 AgentW wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:19 eonDE wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:09 AgentW wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:05 eonDE wrote:
It's not just about the plane trip guys. At his age in Korea they don't stay up this late.

I think this is completely incorrect. The time on the clock is irrelevant to Life. His body is lagged and exposed to being awake at hours in which his Circadian rhythms don't want him to be, and that's the problem.

That's making a massive assumption that none of these guys make an effort to adjust. Every athlete has a program they do in order to deal with this. Unless he just got off the plane the very same day then I guess this does not apply. But more than physically, he's disciplined to sleep are a particular time.

Life, who can't play past midnight or whatever in Korea, changing his sleep schedule for a foreign tournament? I find that unlikely.

Well, I can't explain how of all the various sports that I've watched, not one constantly brings up players being jetlagged.


Its brought up all the time in the NFL when West coast teams travel to the East coast...
openbox1
Profile Joined March 2011
1393 Posts
March 17 2013 05:27 GMT
#11873
On March 17 2013 14:20 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 14:19 eonDE wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:09 AgentW wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:05 eonDE wrote:
It's not just about the plane trip guys. At his age in Korea they don't stay up this late.

I think this is completely incorrect. The time on the clock is irrelevant to Life. His body is lagged and exposed to being awake at hours in which his Circadian rhythms don't want him to be, and that's the problem.

That's making a massive assumption that none of these guys make an effort to adjust. Every athlete has a program they do in order to deal with this. Unless he just got off the plane the very same day then I guess this does not apply. But more than physically, he's disciplined to sleep are a particular time.

Life, who can't play past midnight or whatever in Korea, changing his sleep schedule for a foreign tournament? I find that unlikely.


Do you honestly believe that these underaged progamers don't play SC2 past midnight in Korea?
Its just a matter of using an adult's account. You think they can't find someone above the minimum age to register a game for them to practice at night? When progaming is their job?
ScienceRob
Profile Joined April 2010
United States382 Posts
March 17 2013 05:27 GMT
#11874
I am happy to see a thread of nearly 600 pages in SCII...
Carpe Diem
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
March 17 2013 05:28 GMT
#11875
On March 17 2013 14:26 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 14:23 Tayar wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:22 Zealously wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:22 1raxexpand wrote:
life still the best zerg?


Of course, was that ever in question?

roro and symbol might disagree

Symbol won't be worth a kopeck in HotS compared to Life. Mark my words.


I have to agree with this, as much as Symbol used to be a sick nerd baller in mid 2012 I haven't been inspired by his play in a long time.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
March 17 2013 05:28 GMT
#11876
On March 17 2013 14:26 eonDE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 14:20 AgentW wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:19 eonDE wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:09 AgentW wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:05 eonDE wrote:
It's not just about the plane trip guys. At his age in Korea they don't stay up this late.

I think this is completely incorrect. The time on the clock is irrelevant to Life. His body is lagged and exposed to being awake at hours in which his Circadian rhythms don't want him to be, and that's the problem.

That's making a massive assumption that none of these guys make an effort to adjust. Every athlete has a program they do in order to deal with this. Unless he just got off the plane the very same day then I guess this does not apply. But more than physically, he's disciplined to sleep are a particular time.

Life, who can't play past midnight or whatever in Korea, changing his sleep schedule for a foreign tournament? I find that unlikely.

Well, I can't explain how of all the various sports that I've watched, not one constantly brings up players being jetlagged.

Probably because they're operating under very different conditions.
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
March 17 2013 05:28 GMT
#11877
Life is unquestionably the #1 Zerg
Roro #2
and I dare say one of Symbol/Zero/Soulkey #3
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 17 2013 05:28 GMT
#11878
In the early game I saw Life suicide 2 lings to scout for the for 2 widow mines. Can you not hold position them? If you can, why would Polt not do that?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
1raxexpand
Profile Joined July 2012
United States165 Posts
March 17 2013 05:28 GMT
#11879
On March 17 2013 14:26 LighT. wrote:
Funny thing is that the only match up life can play to win is TvZ
He can easily beat Last in Ro8
His real competition is Bomber/MC
and then one of Parting/Flash/Rain/Innovation.

Entirely doable, although the final challenge seems to be the ultimate test


Don't be so quick to dismiss Last. I predict Last would at least put up a good fight against Life if Life does beat Polt.
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
March 17 2013 05:28 GMT
#11880
On March 17 2013 14:27 regizer239 wrote:
I wanna see Life play when hes fully rested


Why are we acting like he's been playing through the open bracket all day? He beat Minigun in like ten minutes. He might be sleepy, but it's not like he is playing below his regular level.

Wish Polt would stop doing the proxy reaper build now.
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