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Stop arguing about what is or isn't killing tournaments.
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
January 19 2013 17:36 GMT
#1801
Theres nothing more amusing than people judging balance off TLO vs First, at least wait for equally skilled players before you something.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32761 Posts
January 19 2013 17:36 GMT
#1802
It is looking more and more like a PvP finals to me, probably PartinG vs First.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Putty
Profile Joined September 2012
210 Posts
January 19 2013 17:36 GMT
#1803
Kas is the last hope
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3548 Posts
January 19 2013 17:36 GMT
#1804
On January 20 2013 02:34 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 02:31 Prog455 wrote:
On January 20 2013 02:21 BretZ wrote:
On January 20 2013 02:20 stuchiu wrote:
I wonder if its the downtime or the IT nerf that is helping protoss do so well in this tournament.


I've honestly been wondering that the whole weekend. Is the IT nerf that bad for WoL?

My HoTS games in PvZ have been going well when I'm usually losing convincingly. Does it really deter people that much to avoid ITs?


I don't think it is bad for WoL, quite the opposite actually. But i do think that Zerg is doing worse because of the Infestor nerf. Next to every Zerg game i have seen the last few months has been an Infestor based build. Now that these builds don't work as well anymore Zerg players are forced to come up with new builds, and they may not have adapted quite yet.

I am really looking forward to see how this patch is going to affect Zerg in future tournaments. I know that the term "patchzerg" is frowned upon, but i nevertheless think that it is a little funny the first tournament after Infestor nerf, has the worst Zerg representation of any major tournament in the last six months


I think it has more to do with the line up more than anything.

If you look at the IPL Korean qualifiers, zergs are doing better than fine.

Not really the lineup actually has a lot of strong zergs if you look at it. A lot of it has to do with the group distribution, which resulted in most zerg players losing in group stages. You can't really take a single tournament such as the ipl qualifier to make a balance statement. Only two zergs did well - Jaedong, who is amazing, and Symbol, who scraped by multiple rounds with 2:1 wins.
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
January 19 2013 17:36 GMT
#1805
Goddam I love me some first play.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Derity
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2952 Posts
January 19 2013 17:36 GMT
#1806
After his results yesterday, Socke seems in good form. Yet I missed the matches, how is he playing?
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
January 19 2013 17:37 GMT
#1807
On January 20 2013 02:36 bokchoi wrote:
Korea TOO STRONK.

Time to see who the foreigner hope will be...

Daisy!
Get off my lawn, young punks
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
January 19 2013 17:37 GMT
#1808
On January 20 2013 02:34 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 02:25 sAsImre wrote:
On January 20 2013 02:24 Emzeeshady wrote:
Two factors for Protoss domination at this tournament

1. First and foremost there are simply better Protoss players here. First and Parting are far better then any Zerg players at this tournament and Daisey and Socke are arguably too.

2. Protoss was NEVER getting dominated by Zerg in the way people thought they were. There were times were Zerg was favoured by never even close to as bad as ZvT. ZvP changes hands on who is dominant very often. Tosses dominated the WCS's and then Zerg struck back with GSL 5. Protoss dominates Proleague then Zerg owns at Bliz cup. Not an imbalanced matchup, just very volatile.


the problem is more that it's too often a shitty match up with a silly lategame than its balance.

Oh I don't deny that (although todays games are fun)

It is just that a lot of Toss players have been balance whining over this matchup.


it's more about asymetric balance imo. I think a lot of good old 2b all in are still really good against lower lvl Z. But once your opponent has a ton of brood and infest, well, knowing you have maybe 10% of winning is a rather frustrating feeling.
Zest fanboy.
Myt
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany318 Posts
January 19 2013 17:37 GMT
#1809
On January 20 2013 02:31 Prog455 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 02:21 BretZ wrote:
On January 20 2013 02:20 stuchiu wrote:
I wonder if its the downtime or the IT nerf that is helping protoss do so well in this tournament.


I've honestly been wondering that the whole weekend. Is the IT nerf that bad for WoL?

My HoTS games in PvZ have been going well when I'm usually losing convincingly. Does it really deter people that much to avoid ITs?


I don't think it is bad for WoL, quite the opposite actually. But i do think that Zerg is doing worse because of the Infestor nerf. Next to every Zerg game i have seen the last few months has been an Infestor based build. Now that these builds don't work as well anymore Zerg players are forced to come up with new builds, and they may not have adapted quite yet.

I am really looking forward to see how this patch is going to affect Zerg in future tournaments. I know that the term "patchzerg" is frowned upon, but i nevertheless think that it is a little funny the first tournament after Infestor nerf, has the worst Zerg representation of any major tournament in the last six months


The funny thing is, that at least in PvZ seems to happen a metagameshift too, a lot of this games where decidet by protoss before infestors even could come into play
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 19 2013 17:37 GMT
#1810
Oh funny thing I forgot to mention. When the sentries are right up against FF's with banelings on the other side, you can self detonate the banes and hit sentries on other side.
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Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
January 19 2013 17:39 GMT
#1811
On January 20 2013 02:37 stuchiu wrote:
Oh funny thing I forgot to mention. When the sentries are right up against FF's with banelings on the other side, you can self detonate the banes and hit sentries on other side.

o.O Need to try that out...
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
January 19 2013 17:39 GMT
#1812
@LiquidTLO

1. Had a really good run, but in the end the better player won. Big respect for First. I am growing with each tournament now I think!

2. I'm not sad, but also not satisfied with myself. Okay start for the year. Fighting!
SgtCoDFish
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1520 Posts
January 19 2013 17:39 GMT
#1813
On January 20 2013 02:39 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
@LiquidTLO

1. Had a really good run, but in the end the better player won. Big respect for First. I am growing with each tournament now I think!

2. I'm not sad, but also not satisfied with myself. Okay start for the year. Fighting!

What a great attitude, TLO fighting!
Dirkinity
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany409 Posts
January 19 2013 17:39 GMT
#1814
On January 20 2013 02:37 ACrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 02:36 bokchoi wrote:
Korea TOO STRONK.

Time to see who the foreigner hope will be...

Daisy!


Too bad Daisy is korean. :D
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
January 19 2013 17:40 GMT
#1815
--- Nuked ---
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
January 19 2013 17:40 GMT
#1816
Haha Jeremy is right!!
Try another route paperboy.
Lorizean
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany1330 Posts
January 19 2013 17:40 GMT
#1817
wtf, i just tuned in, was that Jeremy from PurePwnage?
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
January 19 2013 17:40 GMT
#1818
Actually what teh_pwner said is true the last 2 IEMs have been won by Korean Terrans. Mvp at Cologne (which was forever ago) and Sting at Singapore ;o
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
January 19 2013 17:40 GMT
#1819
On January 20 2013 02:36 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 02:34 Big J wrote:
pfffffffffffffffffff... JUST PLAY STANDARD FOR ONCE TLO...

3games, 3good starts, 3times busted by doing weird stuff... That's simply not how you play ZvP. You wait for Broodlords and do NOTHING else. I can understand that TLO is frustrated with this playstyle, but that's how it is...

I am sorry but you don't seem to know what you are talking about.

Korean Protoss pre hive timings are really fucking scary, I don't blame TLO


Yeah they are scary. You know what is even scarier? Going against them without a defensive Infestor/Spine/Corruptor close to maxed supply setup without Broodlords on the way to ease the pressure at some point. Like if you spend your money on roach+burrow+burrow movement + a spire "just in case". Or when you waste your money on banelings, when your opponent has forcefields.
Derity
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2952 Posts
January 19 2013 17:41 GMT
#1820
On January 20 2013 02:40 Lorizean wrote:
wtf, i just tuned in, was that Jeremy from PurePwnage?

yes
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