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On September 23 2012 06:34 DuckNuked wrote:
For people thinking i'm French biaised. I'm hungarian and live in france for studies. So stop that, you're out of the point. And i won't go pro, i have not the level, but against masters players, i simply don't loose on these maps coz i know how and when to be defensive.
And i'm part of these terrans who started using lots of ravens even before the snipe nerf. So i'm not kidding, metropolis is just T favored if your opponnent don't try to kill you early.
What makes wins for zergs on this map is ling/bling/muta 2/2 timings, or roach/bling busts. Never seen anything else makes zerg win in pro level matches on this map.
Check GSL, check anything you want, you'll never seen anything else than this huge timing push makes zerg win on metropolis. And if you defend it, you've won. If your opponnent don't does it, you've won too.
Mvp vs Curious, IPTL. You should teach Mvp and the other Code S terrans how and when to be defensive, maybe the winrate wouldn't be 34% then.
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On September 23 2012 06:34 Doubting wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 06:33 Fragile51 wrote:On September 23 2012 06:31 Doubting wrote:On September 23 2012 06:26 Fragile51 wrote:On September 23 2012 06:25 1Dhalism wrote:On September 23 2012 06:19 Poopi wrote:On September 23 2012 06:18 DuckNuked wrote:
Terran is my main.
But Taeja wins on the two most T favoured maps of the map pool, but looses on a balanced one. Would like to see more games of these two against each other, i don't think taeja will win a BO5/7/9 Lol are you fucking serious? Metalopolis is Z favored. I did not see the first map but there isn't really a T favoured map anymore in TvZ. Every map is always terran favored. Is basically what you're saying with that, FYI. No lol. Cloud Kingdom and Daybreak both have neutral bases to fight for on either side. Whirlwind, Tal Darim and Entombed have so many bases that full split map almost never happens. Antiga is diagonal. If you play turtle Terran on Shakuras and metropolis then you have a big advantage. Do you somehow not acknowledge the existence of broodlord infestor or something? Or instant ultralisk switches, both combined basically the ultimate turtle-cracker? Calling metropolis, the most terran unfavored map in the tournament pool favored towards terran is quite frankly absurd. Breaking Terran on Metropolis with Ultralisks is like trying to break a walnut with your penis
What, you can't?
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On September 23 2012 06:34 Doubting wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 06:33 Fragile51 wrote:On September 23 2012 06:31 Doubting wrote:On September 23 2012 06:26 Fragile51 wrote:On September 23 2012 06:25 1Dhalism wrote:On September 23 2012 06:19 Poopi wrote:On September 23 2012 06:18 DuckNuked wrote:
Terran is my main.
But Taeja wins on the two most T favoured maps of the map pool, but looses on a balanced one. Would like to see more games of these two against each other, i don't think taeja will win a BO5/7/9 Lol are you fucking serious? Metalopolis is Z favored. I did not see the first map but there isn't really a T favoured map anymore in TvZ. Every map is always terran favored. Is basically what you're saying with that, FYI. No lol. Cloud Kingdom and Daybreak both have neutral bases to fight for on either side. Whirlwind, Tal Darim and Entombed have so many bases that full split map almost never happens. Antiga is diagonal. If you play turtle Terran on Shakuras and metropolis then you have a big advantage. Do you somehow not acknowledge the existence of broodlord infestor or something? Or instant ultralisk switches, both combined basically the ultimate turtle-cracker? Calling metropolis, the most terran unfavored map in the tournament pool favored towards terran is quite frankly absurd. Breaking Terran on Metropolis with Ultralisks is like trying to break a walnut with your penis
Effective and strangely satisfying?
Not that I do it every day or anything
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On September 23 2012 06:32 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 06:29 Yello wrote:On September 23 2012 06:22 Doubting wrote:On September 23 2012 06:20 FuzzyJAM wrote:On September 23 2012 06:17 Doubting wrote:On September 23 2012 06:16 FuzzyJAM wrote:On September 23 2012 06:14 ssxsilver wrote:
-.-... Metropolis with mass Orbital Commands... Yeah, Zerg has such a hard time on Metropolis. Totally. If the Terran plays well... Zergs even whine about maps where they have a 65% win rate. Amazing. Truly amazing. Guess Terrans just normally play terribly or something. its a Terran favoured map in Korea/ http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/528_Crux_Metropolis34.1% win-rate for Terran against Zerg in Korea.... Where did you get the idea that it was a terran-favoured map in Korea? Whoa whoa whoa... this is the internet man. Let's not bring facts into this and just talk out of our asses instead. 
I guess you are right. I shouldn't even be in LR threads of big events anymore. They make me rage and write stupid stuff like trying to argue logically and with facts....
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On September 23 2012 06:34 Doubting wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 06:33 Fragile51 wrote:On September 23 2012 06:31 Doubting wrote:On September 23 2012 06:26 Fragile51 wrote:On September 23 2012 06:25 1Dhalism wrote:On September 23 2012 06:19 Poopi wrote:On September 23 2012 06:18 DuckNuked wrote:
Terran is my main.
But Taeja wins on the two most T favoured maps of the map pool, but looses on a balanced one. Would like to see more games of these two against each other, i don't think taeja will win a BO5/7/9 Lol are you fucking serious? Metalopolis is Z favored. I did not see the first map but there isn't really a T favoured map anymore in TvZ. Every map is always terran favored. Is basically what you're saying with that, FYI. No lol. Cloud Kingdom and Daybreak both have neutral bases to fight for on either side. Whirlwind, Tal Darim and Entombed have so many bases that full split map almost never happens. Antiga is diagonal. If you play turtle Terran on Shakuras and metropolis then you have a big advantage. Do you somehow not acknowledge the existence of broodlord infestor or something? Or instant ultralisk switches, both combined basically the ultimate turtle-cracker? Calling metropolis, the most terran unfavored map in the tournament pool favored towards terran is quite frankly absurd. Breaking Terran on Metropolis with Ultralisks is like trying to break a walnut with your penis
best quote to come out of this LR
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On September 23 2012 06:36 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 06:34 Doubting wrote:On September 23 2012 06:33 Fragile51 wrote:On September 23 2012 06:31 Doubting wrote:On September 23 2012 06:26 Fragile51 wrote:On September 23 2012 06:25 1Dhalism wrote:On September 23 2012 06:19 Poopi wrote:On September 23 2012 06:18 DuckNuked wrote:
Terran is my main.
But Taeja wins on the two most T favoured maps of the map pool, but looses on a balanced one. Would like to see more games of these two against each other, i don't think taeja will win a BO5/7/9 Lol are you fucking serious? Metalopolis is Z favored. I did not see the first map but there isn't really a T favoured map anymore in TvZ. Every map is always terran favored. Is basically what you're saying with that, FYI. No lol. Cloud Kingdom and Daybreak both have neutral bases to fight for on either side. Whirlwind, Tal Darim and Entombed have so many bases that full split map almost never happens. Antiga is diagonal. If you play turtle Terran on Shakuras and metropolis then you have a big advantage. Do you somehow not acknowledge the existence of broodlord infestor or something? Or instant ultralisk switches, both combined basically the ultimate turtle-cracker? Calling metropolis, the most terran unfavored map in the tournament pool favored towards terran is quite frankly absurd. Breaking Terran on Metropolis with Ultralisks is like trying to break a walnut with your penis Effective and strangely satisfying? EDIT: Naturally i'm just guessing. Naturally.
proof or it didn't happen :p
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On September 23 2012 06:35 SarcasmMonster wrote:Nightend > Taeja > Stephano. I think it's obvious who the best foreigner is... + Show Spoiler +
Angelic.
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Is the draw for the last 16 made tonight or tomorrow morning?
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On September 23 2012 06:35 Doubting wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 06:34 DuckNuked wrote:
For people thinking i'm French biaised. I'm hungarian and live in france for studies. So stop that, you're out of the point. And i won't go pro, i have not the level, but against masters players, i simply don't loose on these maps coz i know how and when to be defensive.
And i'm part of these terrans who started using lots of ravens even before the snipe nerf. So i'm not kidding, metropolis is just T favored if your opponnent don't try to kill you early.
What makes wins for zergs on this map is ling/bling/muta 2/2 timings, or roach/bling busts. Never seen anything else makes zerg win in pro level matches on this map.
Check GSL, check anything you want, you'll never seen anything else than this huge timing push makes zerg win on metropolis. And if you defend it, you've won. If your opponnent don't does it, you've won too. what you are saying is smart but can you please spell lose right. It is driving me insane :p
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Anyone know if and where Sase vs Demuslim was shown? I heard weird things about it.
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On September 23 2012 06:38 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 06:35 Doubting wrote:On September 23 2012 06:34 DuckNuked wrote:
For people thinking i'm French biaised. I'm hungarian and live in france for studies. So stop that, you're out of the point. And i won't go pro, i have not the level, but against masters players, i simply don't loose on these maps coz i know how and when to be defensive.
And i'm part of these terrans who started using lots of ravens even before the snipe nerf. So i'm not kidding, metropolis is just T favored if your opponnent don't try to kill you early.
What makes wins for zergs on this map is ling/bling/muta 2/2 timings, or roach/bling busts. Never seen anything else makes zerg win in pro level matches on this map.
Check GSL, check anything you want, you'll never seen anything else than this huge timing push makes zerg win on metropolis. And if you defend it, you've won. If your opponnent don't does it, you've won too. what you are saying is smart but can you please spell lose right. It is driving me insane :p O M G I FOUND MY SOULMATE
Juliette is gonna be piiiiiiiissed
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On September 23 2012 06:38 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 06:35 Doubting wrote:On September 23 2012 06:34 DuckNuked wrote:
For people thinking i'm French biaised. I'm hungarian and live in france for studies. So stop that, you're out of the point. And i won't go pro, i have not the level, but against masters players, i simply don't loose on these maps coz i know how and when to be defensive.
And i'm part of these terrans who started using lots of ravens even before the snipe nerf. So i'm not kidding, metropolis is just T favored if your opponnent don't try to kill you early.
What makes wins for zergs on this map is ling/bling/muta 2/2 timings, or roach/bling busts. Never seen anything else makes zerg win in pro level matches on this map.
Check GSL, check anything you want, you'll never seen anything else than this huge timing push makes zerg win on metropolis. And if you defend it, you've won. If your opponnent don't does it, you've won too. what you are saying is smart but can you please spell lose right. It is driving me insane :p O M G I FOUND MY SOULMATE
haha I knew I wasn't the only one
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On September 23 2012 06:37 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 06:34 Doubting wrote:On September 23 2012 06:33 Fragile51 wrote:On September 23 2012 06:31 Doubting wrote:On September 23 2012 06:26 Fragile51 wrote:On September 23 2012 06:25 1Dhalism wrote:On September 23 2012 06:19 Poopi wrote:On September 23 2012 06:18 DuckNuked wrote:
Terran is my main.
But Taeja wins on the two most T favoured maps of the map pool, but looses on a balanced one. Would like to see more games of these two against each other, i don't think taeja will win a BO5/7/9 Lol are you fucking serious? Metalopolis is Z favored. I did not see the first map but there isn't really a T favoured map anymore in TvZ. Every map is always terran favored. Is basically what you're saying with that, FYI. No lol. Cloud Kingdom and Daybreak both have neutral bases to fight for on either side. Whirlwind, Tal Darim and Entombed have so many bases that full split map almost never happens. Antiga is diagonal. If you play turtle Terran on Shakuras and metropolis then you have a big advantage. Do you somehow not acknowledge the existence of broodlord infestor or something? Or instant ultralisk switches, both combined basically the ultimate turtle-cracker? Calling metropolis, the most terran unfavored map in the tournament pool favored towards terran is quite frankly absurd. Breaking Terran on Metropolis with Ultralisks is like trying to break a walnut with your penis Effective and strangely satisfying? Not that I do it every day or anything
Hey! Patented line! D:
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On September 23 2012 06:38 Vaftrudner wrote:
Anyone know if and where Sase vs Demuslim was shown? I heard weird things about it.
It was the first one on the mainstream?
I think....
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On September 23 2012 06:22 Doubting wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 06:20 FuzzyJAM wrote:On September 23 2012 06:17 Doubting wrote:On September 23 2012 06:16 FuzzyJAM wrote:On September 23 2012 06:14 ssxsilver wrote:
-.-... Metropolis with mass Orbital Commands... Yeah, Zerg has such a hard time on Metropolis. Totally. If the Terran plays well... Zergs even whine about maps where they have a 65% win rate. Amazing. Truly amazing. Guess Terrans just normally play terribly or something. its a Terran favoured map in Korea/
Crux Metropolis
Crux 대도시
Size: 150x150
Spots: 3, 6, 9, 12
Tileset: Installation
Games played: 311
Race Stats (non-mirrors):
TvZ: 29-56 (34.1%) [ Games ]
ZvP: 25-36 (41%) [ Games ]
PvT: 42-42 (50%) [ Games ]
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/528_Crux_Metropolis
I know 30% TvZ is standard, but please don't say terran favored, or it'll become the next standard.
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Lol...people dont bother with these trolls / extreme Stephano fan boys. Seeing the raw insanely zerg favored statistic on Metropolis just doesn't seem to crack into their tiny little brains. Regardless of the map, Stephano has a 66% ZvT win ratio. What does that mean? 34% are LOSSES. ALL pros lose games once in awhile, even if they are great at that particular match up.
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On September 23 2012 06:38 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 06:38 HaXXspetten wrote:On September 23 2012 06:35 Doubting wrote:On September 23 2012 06:34 DuckNuked wrote:
For people thinking i'm French biaised. I'm hungarian and live in france for studies. So stop that, you're out of the point. And i won't go pro, i have not the level, but against masters players, i simply don't loose on these maps coz i know how and when to be defensive.
And i'm part of these terrans who started using lots of ravens even before the snipe nerf. So i'm not kidding, metropolis is just T favored if your opponnent don't try to kill you early.
What makes wins for zergs on this map is ling/bling/muta 2/2 timings, or roach/bling busts. Never seen anything else makes zerg win in pro level matches on this map.
Check GSL, check anything you want, you'll never seen anything else than this huge timing push makes zerg win on metropolis. And if you defend it, you've won. If your opponnent don't does it, you've won too. what you are saying is smart but can you please spell lose right. It is driving me insane :p O M G I FOUND MY SOULMATE Juliette is gonna be piiiiiiiissed
meant in a brotherly sort of way, not a betrothal :s
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On September 23 2012 06:39 aviator116 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 06:38 Vaftrudner wrote:
Anyone know if and where Sase vs Demuslim was shown? I heard weird things about it. It was the first one on the mainstream? I think....
Yeah it was.
+ Show Spoiler +
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On September 23 2012 06:35 SarcasmMonster wrote:Nightend > Taeja > Stephano. I think it's obvious who the best foreigner is... + Show Spoiler +
that's not necessarily true. pvt is completely different from tvz. you're comparing apples and oranges here. are you proposing that any foreigner that beats a person that beat stephano is the best foreigner in the world? well sorry but you're wrong. remember, taeja lost to rain, first, and seed who are protoss. tvp might just be his weakest match up.
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I don't think Metropolis is Terran favored, I just think it's stupid.
It encourages turtling, either deathballs(P), BL/Infestor/Bank (Z), or mass orbitals (T). People would flip out if tournaments added those practice maps with rocks separating opponents, but the extremely long distance and the number of bases on Metropolis achieves almost the same result.
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