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On September 06 2012 00:05 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 23:54 Xpace wrote:On September 05 2012 23:50 AxionSteel wrote:On September 05 2012 23:26 ragz_gt wrote:
Mvp and MMA are not in best conditions. So Taeja should roll that group easy. Then it's up to Mvp and MMA to see who is in a lesser slump. I wouldn't count out either of them though  Hard to tell what kind of form MMA is in, and Mvp still has those championship qualities, he won't be a pushover as BaBy found out in the OSL yesterday. Even after everything that's happened in the past 2 years, people STILL deny Mvp. I don't get it. He is nowhere near the level he was at when he was winning everything. That is undeniable. He is still a winner but can lose due to his wrists sadly too.
The last time people kept emphasizing his wrists, he showed us one of the best GSL finals, and one of the most entertaining series in Starcraft 2, when Protoss were on a rampage and Terran was the weakest.
I denied him then, and many times before... :\
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On September 05 2012 23:26 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 23:25 xHQx wrote:On September 05 2012 01:36 Ryncol wrote:
Probably the best group in the Ro32. I'm so amped for this. how about MaNa MVP TaeJa MMA? that's probably the other big one this season~ can't wait for it! Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 23:26 ragz_gt wrote:
Mvp and MMA are not in best conditions. So Taeja should roll that group easy. Then it's up to Mvp and MMA to see who is in a lesser slump. taeja is not playing as well as he was shortly ago; plus he is/was overhyped i feel. i think it'll be MMA and Mvp
Aren't all players that get the 'best player in the world" title overhyped? Because there will be a point where they lose some games and no longer the 'best in the world". So people will say that he was overhyped because he is no longer winning every game. Happened to MC, Nestea, Mvp, MMA, DRG, MKP and now Taeja.
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On September 06 2012 00:46 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 23:26 opterown wrote:On September 05 2012 23:25 xHQx wrote:On September 05 2012 01:36 Ryncol wrote:
Probably the best group in the Ro32. I'm so amped for this. how about MaNa MVP TaeJa MMA? that's probably the other big one this season~ can't wait for it! On September 05 2012 23:26 ragz_gt wrote:
Mvp and MMA are not in best conditions. So Taeja should roll that group easy. Then it's up to Mvp and MMA to see who is in a lesser slump. taeja is not playing as well as he was shortly ago; plus he is/was overhyped i feel. i think it'll be MMA and Mvp Aren't all players that get the 'best player in the world" title overhyped? Because there will be a point where they lose some games and no longer the 'best in the world". So people will say that he was overhyped because he is no longer winning every game. Happened to MC, Nestea, Mvp, MMA, DRG, MKP and now Taeja.
I'm a huge mvp fan and there was a time when he was by far the best player in the world (correspondent to the fact he has the highest peak elo in the history of SC2) He's not as good as he was then. Because of his wrist injury, his mechanics are worse. Currently. when he plays an Zerg or Terran with a lot better mechanics than him you can tell the difference-- see Taeja/violet last GSL.
Usually the "best player in the world" is unfounded, but there was a time when Mvp was deserviving of the title. And while MKP, DRG, MMA, and Taeja have all shown glimpses of being the best player in the world, none of them deserve the title. Starcraft 2 fans throw the word around far too often. There are no bonjwas (and probably never will be as Blizzard continues to make the game easier) so the best you can do is say "so-in-so is playing the best currently).
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On September 06 2012 01:20 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 00:46 vthree wrote:On September 05 2012 23:26 opterown wrote:On September 05 2012 23:25 xHQx wrote:On September 05 2012 01:36 Ryncol wrote:
Probably the best group in the Ro32. I'm so amped for this. how about MaNa MVP TaeJa MMA? that's probably the other big one this season~ can't wait for it! On September 05 2012 23:26 ragz_gt wrote:
Mvp and MMA are not in best conditions. So Taeja should roll that group easy. Then it's up to Mvp and MMA to see who is in a lesser slump. taeja is not playing as well as he was shortly ago; plus he is/was overhyped i feel. i think it'll be MMA and Mvp Aren't all players that get the 'best player in the world" title overhyped? Because there will be a point where they lose some games and no longer the 'best in the world". So people will say that he was overhyped because he is no longer winning every game. Happened to MC, Nestea, Mvp, MMA, DRG, MKP and now Taeja. I'm a huge mvp fan and there was a time when he was by far the best player in the world (correspondent to the fact he has the highest peak elo in the history of SC2) He's not as good as he was then. Because of his wrist injury, his mechanics are worse. Currently. when he plays an Zerg or Terran with a lot better mechanics than him you can tell the difference-- see Taeja/violet last GSL. Usually the "best player in the world" is unfounded, but there was a time when Mvp was deserviving of the title. And while MKP, DRG, MMA, and Taeja have all shown glimpses of being the best player in the world, none of them deserve the title. Starcraft 2 fans throw the word around far too often. There are no bonjwas (and probably never will be as Blizzard continues to make the game easier) so the best you can do is say "so-in-so is playing the best currently).
Well, Nestea actually was the best player of the world for some time. And I think the same can be said after MCs second GSL title.
But yeah, MVP is definatly closest to the title overall, though I'd change my opinion the moment Nestea would win this or the next Code S.
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On September 06 2012 01:20 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 00:46 vthree wrote:On September 05 2012 23:26 opterown wrote:On September 05 2012 23:25 xHQx wrote:On September 05 2012 01:36 Ryncol wrote:
Probably the best group in the Ro32. I'm so amped for this. how about MaNa MVP TaeJa MMA? that's probably the other big one this season~ can't wait for it! On September 05 2012 23:26 ragz_gt wrote:
Mvp and MMA are not in best conditions. So Taeja should roll that group easy. Then it's up to Mvp and MMA to see who is in a lesser slump. taeja is not playing as well as he was shortly ago; plus he is/was overhyped i feel. i think it'll be MMA and Mvp Aren't all players that get the 'best player in the world" title overhyped? Because there will be a point where they lose some games and no longer the 'best in the world". So people will say that he was overhyped because he is no longer winning every game. Happened to MC, Nestea, Mvp, MMA, DRG, MKP and now Taeja. I'm a huge mvp fan and there was a time when he was by far the best player in the world (correspondent to the fact he has the highest peak elo in the history of SC2) He's not as good as he was then. Because of his wrist injury, his mechanics are worse. Currently. when he plays an Zerg or Terran with a lot better mechanics than him you can tell the difference-- see Taeja/violet last GSL. Usually the "best player in the world" is unfounded, but there was a time when Mvp was deserviving of the title. And while MKP, DRG, MMA, and Taeja have all shown glimpses of being the best player in the world, none of them deserve the title. Starcraft 2 fans throw the word around far too often. There are no bonjwas (and probably never will be as Blizzard continues to make the game easier) so the best you can do is say "so-in-so is playing the best currently).
I agree for the most part, but I disagree based on certain circumstances.
You're right about Starcraft 2 fans being eager to use the phrase "best in the world", but that doesn't mean they're wrong. For me, the idea of "best in the world", or "bonjwa", stems from Brood War. But that was a different game - it was a game that allowed us to easily identify players who reigned for long periods of time.
That's just not possible with Starcraft 2; at least not with Wings of Liberty, and (likely) not with Heart of the Swarm. The game is changing too often, too fast - and I use the word 'changing' as opposed to 'evolving'. Is it possible to determine who is the best in Starcraft 2, ever? Yes. But we can't have the Brood War mindset when we decide who it is. What made a bonjwa in Brood War, in my opinion, will never be seen in Starcraft 2.
In Brood War, the Koreans decided who the best was. Right now, it feels like no one has the authority to, or no one has stepped up to name the best. There are too many factors can determine "the best player", but in terms of satisfying as many of those factors as possible, it's definitely Mvp. Most championships at the highest level, highest earnings of any SC2 pro-gamer, highest ELO peak, etc.
Remember, in Brood War, even bonjwas would drop out of tournaments at times when it was considered to be "their era".
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On September 06 2012 01:20 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 00:46 vthree wrote:On September 05 2012 23:26 opterown wrote:On September 05 2012 23:25 xHQx wrote:On September 05 2012 01:36 Ryncol wrote:
Probably the best group in the Ro32. I'm so amped for this. how about MaNa MVP TaeJa MMA? that's probably the other big one this season~ can't wait for it! On September 05 2012 23:26 ragz_gt wrote:
Mvp and MMA are not in best conditions. So Taeja should roll that group easy. Then it's up to Mvp and MMA to see who is in a lesser slump. taeja is not playing as well as he was shortly ago; plus he is/was overhyped i feel. i think it'll be MMA and Mvp Aren't all players that get the 'best player in the world" title overhyped? Because there will be a point where they lose some games and no longer the 'best in the world". So people will say that he was overhyped because he is no longer winning every game. Happened to MC, Nestea, Mvp, MMA, DRG, MKP and now Taeja. I'm a huge mvp fan and there was a time when he was by far the best player in the world (correspondent to the fact he has the highest peak elo in the history of SC2) He's not as good as he was then. Because of his wrist injury, his mechanics are worse. Currently. when he plays an Zerg or Terran with a lot better mechanics than him you can tell the difference-- see Taeja/violet last GSL. Usually the "best player in the world" is unfounded, but there was a time when Mvp was deserviving of the title. And while MKP, DRG, MMA, and Taeja have all shown glimpses of being the best player in the world, none of them deserve the title. Starcraft 2 fans throw the word around far too often. There are no bonjwas (and probably never will be as Blizzard continues to make the game easier) so the best you can do is say "so-in-so is playing the best currently).
There's not really a title. I personally just think Taeja is, or at least has had a period of time where he truly was the best player in the world. And MKP has had that too.
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dammit, JD needs waay more experience. He gets himself in so many favorable positions and just throws them away. It's so frustrating to watch him play especially when you're a fan. Anyways i'm glad he wasn't completely dominated by MC and MKP and I'm hoping he at least gets into the up/down matches.
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On September 06 2012 00:29 Larkin wrote:
Damn MC choked hard. Oh well. Leaves him room to go to some random foreign tournament and win it.
And OSL.
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On September 06 2012 00:46 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 23:26 opterown wrote:On September 05 2012 23:25 xHQx wrote:On September 05 2012 01:36 Ryncol wrote:
Probably the best group in the Ro32. I'm so amped for this. how about MaNa MVP TaeJa MMA? that's probably the other big one this season~ can't wait for it! On September 05 2012 23:26 ragz_gt wrote:
Mvp and MMA are not in best conditions. So Taeja should roll that group easy. Then it's up to Mvp and MMA to see who is in a lesser slump. taeja is not playing as well as he was shortly ago; plus he is/was overhyped i feel. i think it'll be MMA and Mvp Aren't all players that get the 'best player in the world" title overhyped? Because there will be a point where they lose some games and no longer the 'best in the world". So people will say that he was overhyped because he is no longer winning every game. Happened to MC, Nestea, Mvp, MMA, DRG, MKP and now Taeja.
Taeja was good until he got popular. When someone gets popular their play style gets figured out and when that happens they lose. The true mark of a champion is to still win regardless. To win even if your opponent knows you. Either by being just THAT good or devoloping some more sick ass builds to stay above the meta.
Jaedong can do that. Its just he needs more time with SC 2.
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On September 06 2012 01:40 Xpace wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 01:20 xrapture wrote:On September 06 2012 00:46 vthree wrote:On September 05 2012 23:26 opterown wrote:On September 05 2012 23:25 xHQx wrote:On September 05 2012 01:36 Ryncol wrote:
Probably the best group in the Ro32. I'm so amped for this. how about MaNa MVP TaeJa MMA? that's probably the other big one this season~ can't wait for it! On September 05 2012 23:26 ragz_gt wrote:
Mvp and MMA are not in best conditions. So Taeja should roll that group easy. Then it's up to Mvp and MMA to see who is in a lesser slump. taeja is not playing as well as he was shortly ago; plus he is/was overhyped i feel. i think it'll be MMA and Mvp Aren't all players that get the 'best player in the world" title overhyped? Because there will be a point where they lose some games and no longer the 'best in the world". So people will say that he was overhyped because he is no longer winning every game. Happened to MC, Nestea, Mvp, MMA, DRG, MKP and now Taeja. I'm a huge mvp fan and there was a time when he was by far the best player in the world (correspondent to the fact he has the highest peak elo in the history of SC2) He's not as good as he was then. Because of his wrist injury, his mechanics are worse. Currently. when he plays an Zerg or Terran with a lot better mechanics than him you can tell the difference-- see Taeja/violet last GSL. Usually the "best player in the world" is unfounded, but there was a time when Mvp was deserviving of the title. And while MKP, DRG, MMA, and Taeja have all shown glimpses of being the best player in the world, none of them deserve the title. Starcraft 2 fans throw the word around far too often. There are no bonjwas (and probably never will be as Blizzard continues to make the game easier) so the best you can do is say "so-in-so is playing the best currently). I agree for the most part, but I disagree based on certain circumstances. You're right about Starcraft 2 fans being eager to use the phrase "best in the world", but that doesn't mean they're wrong. For me, the idea of "best in the world", or "bonjwa", stems from Brood War. But that was a different game - it was a game that allowed us to easily identify players who reigned for long periods of time. That's just not possible with Starcraft 2; at least not with Wings of Liberty, and (likely) not with Heart of the Swarm. The game is changing too often, too fast - and I use the word 'changing' as opposed to 'evolving'. Is it possible to determine who is the best in Starcraft 2, ever? Yes. But we can't have the Brood War mindset when we decide who it is. What made a bonjwa in Brood War, in my opinion, will never be seen in Starcraft 2. In Brood War, the Koreans decided who the best was. Right now, it feels like no one has the authority to, or no one has stepped up to name the best. There are too many factors can determine "the best player", but in terms of satisfying as many of those factors as possible, it's definitely Mvp. Most championships at the highest level, highest earnings of any SC2 pro-gamer, highest ELO peak, etc. Remember, in Brood War, even bonjwas would drop out of tournaments at times when it was considered to be "their era".
I don't think it is just BW. It is for most sports and competition. There is discussion and arguments for best player, best team, greatest of all time for soccer, basketball, chess, tennis, etc.
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So glad MC lost, bosstoss is not even first round boss any more.
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On September 06 2012 02:19 ElephantBaby wrote:
So glad MC lost, bosstoss is not even first round boss any more.
Dont get me wrong mc is scary good at some things but he just seems to lack that certain extra oomph to be considwred (at least in my eyes) to be a tip top level toss.
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Grtz to Curious and MKP. Good games.
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On September 06 2012 02:19 ElephantBaby wrote:
So glad MC lost, bosstoss is not even first round boss any more.
Not rooting for players and hating on the ones that fall out is just ugly..
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On September 06 2012 03:01 Slangen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 02:19 ElephantBaby wrote:
So glad MC lost, bosstoss is not even first round boss any more. Not rooting for players and hating on the ones that fall out is just ugly..
Human race are ugly. And ugly is actually one kind of beauty which always tells truth.
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Well, at least MC is still in OSL :D
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God, my hear is broken after watching the JD games...he was so ahead in game 1 and was in decent shape in game 2 vs MC.
And then he starts baneling speed too late vs MKP.
I'm afraid JD will lose his passion if he's not able to win something in the near future 
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On September 06 2012 03:58 dunne_bo wrote:God, my hear is broken after watching the JD games...he was so ahead in game 1 and was in decent shape in game 2 vs MC. And then he starts baneling speed too late vs MKP. I'm afraid JD will lose his passion if he's not able to win something in the near future
I wouldn't worry about that. Literally just a few days/week ago tops he has been able to transition fully into sc2 now that his teams out of proleague.
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On September 06 2012 01:59 R3demption wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 00:46 vthree wrote:On September 05 2012 23:26 opterown wrote:On September 05 2012 23:25 xHQx wrote:On September 05 2012 01:36 Ryncol wrote:
Probably the best group in the Ro32. I'm so amped for this. how about MaNa MVP TaeJa MMA? that's probably the other big one this season~ can't wait for it! On September 05 2012 23:26 ragz_gt wrote:
Mvp and MMA are not in best conditions. So Taeja should roll that group easy. Then it's up to Mvp and MMA to see who is in a lesser slump. taeja is not playing as well as he was shortly ago; plus he is/was overhyped i feel. i think it'll be MMA and Mvp Aren't all players that get the 'best player in the world" title overhyped? Because there will be a point where they lose some games and no longer the 'best in the world". So people will say that he was overhyped because he is no longer winning every game. Happened to MC, Nestea, Mvp, MMA, DRG, MKP and now Taeja. Taeja was good until he got popular. When someone gets popular their play style gets figured out and when that happens they lose. The true mark of a champion is to still win regardless. To win even if your opponent knows you. Either by being just THAT good or devoloping some more sick ass builds to stay above the meta. Jaedong can do that. Its just he needs more time with SC 2.
Lol koreans players already knew how good he was.
It's just that winning everything is not possible on sc2, at least no one did it. The closest was Mvp but the level of competition was worse back then.
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