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none of those are mirror matches, certainly not a zvz
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On July 06 2012 01:32 Blaec wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 01:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 06 2012 01:29 Blaec wrote:On July 06 2012 01:27 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 06 2012 01:27 Rulker wrote:On July 06 2012 01:26 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 06 2012 01:26 Benjamin99 wrote:On July 06 2012 01:25 MCDayC wrote:
Whuutttt... Early GG. Nahh he had no 4th base was a good gg Being behind does not mean you've lost. but having 20-30 supply of your army (if not 40) crossing the map at all times, and being 2-0 to 2-2, is losing. No it's not. Players have won games from sooo much further behind than that. No. Theres just nothing in that game that was giving Idra an advantage, and theres no switch he can pull off that will get him back in. On July 06 2012 01:28 Whatson wrote:On July 06 2012 01:27 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 06 2012 01:27 Rulker wrote:On July 06 2012 01:26 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 06 2012 01:26 Benjamin99 wrote:On July 06 2012 01:25 MCDayC wrote:
Whuutttt... Early GG. Nahh he had no 4th base was a good gg Being behind does not mean you've lost. but having 20-30 supply of your army (if not 40) crossing the map at all times, and being 2-0 to 2-2, is losing. No it's not. Players have won games from sooo much further behind than that. What? 2-0 vs 2-2 is big deal, and having less drones and your opponent having a fourth is an even bigger deal Absolute insanity. Bly has to make a mistake sure but even DRG makes mistakes. Idra probably had a 1 in 5 chance to win that game sure but unless it's 1 in 100 you shouldn't be leaving the game. What kind of mistake can Bly make? Its roach/infestor vs roach/infestor. But Bly has better and more roaches.
He can not immediately attack and tech up, letting Idra get his economy back up.
Or he can just engage really badly into a good Idra concave.
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On July 06 2012 01:33 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 01:30 NEOtheONE wrote:On July 06 2012 01:29 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 06 2012 01:27 TazzDingo wrote:On July 06 2012 01:26 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 06 2012 01:26 Benjamin99 wrote:On July 06 2012 01:25 MCDayC wrote:
Whuutttt... Early GG. Nahh he had no 4th base was a good gg Being behind does not mean you've lost. with a lower base count and bly's defensive position and upgrade advantage, it totally does. Absolutely wrong. You've lost when he's in your base killing all your shit and you have zero chance to kill the army he has inside your base. Idra had no lost that game. I'm seen countless Sc2 games where people win from further behind than that. Name 5 Huk vs Nestea on TDA Inca vs Rain on Terminus MKP vs Sase on TDA MVP vs Nestea on Shakuras MVP vs Squirtle on Daybreak. That's just the first five which come to my head.
You don't understand ZvZ.
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On July 06 2012 01:33 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 01:30 NEOtheONE wrote:On July 06 2012 01:29 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 06 2012 01:27 TazzDingo wrote:On July 06 2012 01:26 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 06 2012 01:26 Benjamin99 wrote:On July 06 2012 01:25 MCDayC wrote:
Whuutttt... Early GG. Nahh he had no 4th base was a good gg Being behind does not mean you've lost. with a lower base count and bly's defensive position and upgrade advantage, it totally does. Absolutely wrong. You've lost when he's in your base killing all your shit and you have zero chance to kill the army he has inside your base. Idra had no lost that game. I'm seen countless Sc2 games where people win from further behind than that. Name 5 Huk vs Nestea on TDA Inca vs Rain on Terminus MKP vs Sase on TDA MVP vs Nestea on Shakuras MVP vs Squirtle on Daybreak. That's just the first five which come to my head.
None of which have any relevance to a ZvZ in that specific situation.
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I pretty much don't watch starcraft anymore...
unless it's HSC.
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On July 06 2012 01:33 zefreak wrote:
Sorry Aeroplane, normally I would agree with you but in roach/infestor zvz, in those positions, it IS 1/100 chance to win. Idra sure as hell doesn't win 1 out of 5 times in that spot.
1% should be enough to put a fight.
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On July 06 2012 01:29 Blaec wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 01:27 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 06 2012 01:27 Rulker wrote:On July 06 2012 01:26 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 06 2012 01:26 Benjamin99 wrote:On July 06 2012 01:25 MCDayC wrote:
Whuutttt... Early GG. Nahh he had no 4th base was a good gg Being behind does not mean you've lost. but having 20-30 supply of your army (if not 40) crossing the map at all times, and being 2-0 to 2-2, is losing. No it's not. Players have won games from sooo much further behind than that. No. Theres just nothing in that game that was giving Idra an advantage, and theres no switch he can pull off that will get him back in.
Symbol was much further behind against Violet in the second mlg spring arena, and managed to turn it around. SaSe had half of Ret's supply in the Ro16 of Dreamhack, and ended up winning. MaNa won against hero after TL declared the game all but over in a tweet, by sniping three observers in an engagement.
Idra might not believe he could come back, or he simply didn't care because he advances anyway. But don't claim it was impossible, that is just obviously untrue.
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Aeroplaneoverthesea, list examples of a ZvZ comeback with
1. A severe upgrade disadvantage
2. Same army compositions
3. Lower base count
4. Lower drone count
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On July 06 2012 01:33 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 01:32 sAsImre wrote:On July 06 2012 01:31 Whatson wrote:On July 06 2012 01:31 sAsImre wrote:On July 06 2012 01:30 Whatson wrote:On July 06 2012 01:29 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 06 2012 01:27 TazzDingo wrote:On July 06 2012 01:26 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 06 2012 01:26 Benjamin99 wrote:On July 06 2012 01:25 MCDayC wrote:
Whuutttt... Early GG. Nahh he had no 4th base was a good gg Being behind does not mean you've lost. with a lower base count and bly's defensive position and upgrade advantage, it totally does. Absolutely wrong. You've lost when he's in your base killing all your shit and you have zero chance to kill the army he has inside your base. Idra had no lost that game. I'm seen countless Sc2 games where people win from further behind than that. Then please list some epic ZvZ comeback games from farther behind than that. 2scv into win. In a ZvZ? DarkForce vs Lalush. Darkforce was 30supply ahead and lost. Roach vs Roach, TSL4 qualifier 1 or 2, semifinal on Ohana. Stephano vs DarkForce in some online tourney on Shakuras. DF had 70 roaches and attacked, Stephano had 15. Steph held and won.
Poor Darkforce, D3 killed him ;D
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On July 06 2012 01:33 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 01:33 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 06 2012 01:30 NEOtheONE wrote:On July 06 2012 01:29 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 06 2012 01:27 TazzDingo wrote:On July 06 2012 01:26 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 06 2012 01:26 Benjamin99 wrote:On July 06 2012 01:25 MCDayC wrote:
Whuutttt... Early GG. Nahh he had no 4th base was a good gg Being behind does not mean you've lost. with a lower base count and bly's defensive position and upgrade advantage, it totally does. Absolutely wrong. You've lost when he's in your base killing all your shit and you have zero chance to kill the army he has inside your base. Idra had no lost that game. I'm seen countless Sc2 games where people win from further behind than that. Name 5 Huk vs Nestea on TDA Inca vs Rain on Terminus MKP vs Sase on TDA MVP vs Nestea on Shakuras MVP vs Squirtle on Daybreak. That's just the first five which come to my head. Hey notice something about all these games? They're not ZvZ. Don't mixup matchups please.
He didn't ask for ZvZ's.
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Production tab, TLO! Do it!
Edit: Thanks 
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United States97275 Posts
lol.... bly "im a cheeser"
idra "stop talking"
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OOOOh Idra vs Bly just got more exciting :D
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On July 06 2012 01:32 Kazil wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 01:30 Trumman wrote:
I just bought premium, not sure if this is a bug or not, but I the 480p and the 720p+ is basically the same quality? Did I do something wrong, I am logged in. 720p+ is sill the free stream. You have to watch on http://de.twitch.tv/taketvpro (or the Premiumstream on hsc.taketv.net) to see the 1080p premium stream.
Ah thanks! Enjoying that 1080p now, awesome tournament.
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Bulgaria2443 Posts
On July 06 2012 01:33 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 01:32 sAsImre wrote:On July 06 2012 01:31 Whatson wrote:On July 06 2012 01:31 sAsImre wrote:On July 06 2012 01:30 Whatson wrote:On July 06 2012 01:29 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 06 2012 01:27 TazzDingo wrote:On July 06 2012 01:26 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 06 2012 01:26 Benjamin99 wrote:On July 06 2012 01:25 MCDayC wrote:
Whuutttt... Early GG. Nahh he had no 4th base was a good gg Being behind does not mean you've lost. with a lower base count and bly's defensive position and upgrade advantage, it totally does. Absolutely wrong. You've lost when he's in your base killing all your shit and you have zero chance to kill the army he has inside your base. Idra had no lost that game. I'm seen countless Sc2 games where people win from further behind than that. Then please list some epic ZvZ comeback games from farther behind than that. 2scv into win. In a ZvZ? DarkForce vs Lalush. Darkforce was 30supply ahead and lost. Roach vs Roach, TSL4 qualifier 1 or 2, semifinal on Ohana. Stephano vs DarkForce in some online tourney on Shakuras. DF had 70 roaches and attacked, Stephano had 15. Steph held and won.
Slivko vs Stephano. 190 vs 110 supply and Stephano somehow turned it around.
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On July 06 2012 01:35 Whatson wrote:
Aeroplaneoverthesea, list examples of a ZvZ comeback with
1. A severe upgrade disadvantage
2. Same army compositions
3. Lower base count
4. Lower drone count
Nestea vs DRG on Antiga.
That game Violet vs Symbol at MLG I forget the map.
Stephano vs Slivko at Dreamhack.
Nestea vs Haypro on Shattered.
Nestea vs Slush on Shattered.
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On July 06 2012 01:35 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 01:33 Whatson wrote:On July 06 2012 01:33 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 06 2012 01:30 NEOtheONE wrote:On July 06 2012 01:29 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 06 2012 01:27 TazzDingo wrote:On July 06 2012 01:26 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 06 2012 01:26 Benjamin99 wrote:On July 06 2012 01:25 MCDayC wrote:
Whuutttt... Early GG. Nahh he had no 4th base was a good gg Being behind does not mean you've lost. with a lower base count and bly's defensive position and upgrade advantage, it totally does. Absolutely wrong. You've lost when he's in your base killing all your shit and you have zero chance to kill the army he has inside your base. Idra had no lost that game. I'm seen countless Sc2 games where people win from further behind than that. Name 5 Huk vs Nestea on TDA Inca vs Rain on Terminus MKP vs Sase on TDA MVP vs Nestea on Shakuras MVP vs Squirtle on Daybreak. That's just the first five which come to my head. Hey notice something about all these games? They're not ZvZ. Don't mixup matchups please. He didn't ask for ZvZ's.
I think that kinda went without saying :s
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I'm a cheezer- Bly
Stop talking- IdrA
Bly totally should have 10 pooled after that, would have been funny.
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