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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
November 26 2011 12:22 GMT
#1461
On November 26 2011 21:20 Shellshock1122 wrote:
wrong overlay for ret vs tod? it says hero 1-0 sheth lol


I don't think Sheth and TLO know how to do overlays.

btw luckiest Probe ever. -_-
Gheizen64
Profile Joined June 2010
Italy2077 Posts
November 26 2011 12:22 GMT
#1462
What are the advantage of air armor against air attack for zerg?
Seen as G.ZZZ [COPPER SCUM] on Steam
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
November 26 2011 12:22 GMT
#1463
Tod idling 2 probes and then putting 4 on gas. TLO worried he's nervous
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
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Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
November 26 2011 12:23 GMT
#1464
TLO casting is awesome and unexpected treat
♞Nerdrage is the cause of global warming♞
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
November 26 2011 12:23 GMT
#1465
On November 26 2011 21:05 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 20:56 AxionSteel wrote:
On November 26 2011 20:52 SeaSwift wrote:
On November 26 2011 20:50 AxionSteel wrote:
On November 26 2011 20:47 mordk wrote:
On November 26 2011 20:46 AxionSteel wrote:
So yeah, protoss has no harrass options.



k.

You realize the advantage Hero had in order to make that harass viable right?

If anything, it's a bad BO decision by sheth. WP attacks counter early mutas hard, since you won't have enough units to defend properly.


He harrasses beautifully with amazing multitasking in every game he plays.


And yet still got crushed by DRG in this tournament and could barely get past Ret (definitely not a Top 5 Zerg) in MLG. His harass style is cute, but he needs to combine it with an old-age-MC style threat of terrifying 1-2base pushes to really do well.


One of those games was a nydus allin though, which isn't anything to do with his playstyle. MC is terrible against zerg, can't count how many zvp's he's lost in the last 4-5 months. The matchup is pretty hard for protoss in general, though. But i in a bo3/bo5 I agree you need to mix it up a bit.


That's what I meant by "old-age-MC". The MC that could outright win games in GSL vs Zergs with a 3gate sentry pressure before expand. The MC who invented or perfected half the timing attacks Protoss has. Not the MC whose gameplan for PvZ seems to be: "get a Stargate, fail to pressure with that then fall behind and die" or "Warp Prism sentry drop and hope Zerg doesn't know how to beat it".

If Hero mixed his macro games with the threat of a straight-up, no-holds-barred 7gate or a 4gate Nexus cancel every once in a while, he would be truly monstrous. As it is, he goes into every game with the same gameplan: expand, harass and macro up relying on micro. It's a really solid gameplan, but not scary enough: every Zerg knows what to expect. That's why MC had the best PvZ on the planet just a few months ago: his macro games using Stargate play were scary, but Zerg also feared his all-ins too.


I agree, on this. He needs to do all ins more.
Madera
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
November 26 2011 12:23 GMT
#1466
Mana is so good.
Ahelvin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
France1866 Posts
November 26 2011 12:23 GMT
#1467
NERCHIO. OMG
Join the Liquipedia Zerg Project ! PM me for more information :).
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
November 26 2011 12:24 GMT
#1468
ToD going DTs
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TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
November 26 2011 12:24 GMT
#1469
Those gateways were down for sooo long.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
November 26 2011 12:24 GMT
#1470
Polish players are pretty good :o
Whalecore
Profile Joined March 2009
Norway1111 Posts
November 26 2011 12:24 GMT
#1471
Mana with perfect unit composition, perfect control, perfect timing. Nerchio wastes 5-6 mutas doing nothing all mid-game...

still mana is behind
Playgu
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
November 26 2011 12:25 GMT
#1472
100 supply to 50 with barely anything happening, dat ret droning.
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
Odoakar
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia1838 Posts
November 26 2011 12:25 GMT
#1473
Spot DT's, do nothing.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
November 26 2011 12:25 GMT
#1474
counting with TLO: 1 drone 2 drone 3 drone 4 drone.. lol
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Skyline026
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands1129 Posts
November 26 2011 12:26 GMT
#1475
Shit Ret...


You should have prepared for those DT´s after that overseer scout.


Liquid'Ret - Mana - Liquid'Dota fighting!
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
November 26 2011 12:26 GMT
#1476
On November 26 2011 21:25 Hall0wed wrote:
100 supply to 50 with barely anything happening, dat ret droning.

getting attacked => game is even or lost
Coolhwip
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden1381 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 12:27:46
November 26 2011 12:26 GMT
#1477
"Mana showing you can play a straight up amcro game against zerg."
Gets completley annihilated.
NEVERMIND LOL
crack
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
November 26 2011 12:26 GMT
#1478
Such a simple thing as morphing 1 overseer might lose Ret the game .
-YoricK-
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States477 Posts
November 26 2011 12:27 GMT
#1479
Yeah it's pretty absurd that you can have the perfect unit composition to deal with mutas and play so well and still cannot secure a 4th against this play and push out at the same time. Tempest or something else really is necessary.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
November 26 2011 12:28 GMT
#1480
again, ultra is only good in one thing, DYING.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
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