EPTWell there was only one, this time.
[GSL] August Up&Down Day 1 - Page 67
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Please keep the following things out of this topic: -Caster/Stream/player bashing; -Imbalance/race whine; -Preemptive GGing; -any other assorted offtopic negativism and arguments. This topic for talk about the games, not your general dislike for a certain matchup or SC2 in general. Enjoy this free event that has been provided to you. Share your enthusiasm for the games! Feel free to shoot me a PM or query me on IRC for any questions or comments. Have fun! ~Nyovne | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Well there was only one, this time. | ||
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rareh
Portugal298 Posts
On September 07 2011 01:23 SafeAsCheese wrote: Leenock can make it into Code S with a path of terrans in front of him, yet DongRaeGu couldn't, and had to use a MLG seed (where he lost to KR terrans each time) to get his. Leenock might have the best ZvT up with NesTeaa Better then nestea at ZvT, nestea's vs T was never anything special imo, he really stands out vs Z or P. | ||
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dmans
Sweden358 Posts
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
On September 07 2011 04:40 babylon wrote: Alicia would actually be in a good spot if he draws Sage in the first round of Code A. Sage is an intelligent player, but his PvP has never been that great. His unit control is terrible, and he likes to randomly expand and die when he doesn't choose to pull cheese out of his hat for the match-up. I'm actually surprised he beat out Ace to get into Code A. Gosu cannon-rushing skills, I guess. Actually - I meant hopefully he doesn't hit HerO / Sage because it would mean the certain elimination of more Protoss users. Nothing to do with the actual matchup itself. | ||
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Zanzabarr
Canada217 Posts
Actually - I meant hopefully he doesn't hit HerO / Sage because it would mean the certain elimination of more Protoss users. Nothing to do with the actual matchup itself. More like it would mean the certain advancement of a Protoss player =P. Better then them both getting eliminated by zerg/terran. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On September 07 2011 01:23 SafeAsCheese wrote: Leenock can make it into Code S with a path of terrans in front of him, yet DongRaeGu couldn't, and had to use a MLG seed (where he lost to KR terrans each time) to get his. Leenock might have the best ZvT up with NesTeaa Lol I love leenock, but come on, it's not like leenock has been beating mvp, mma, and bomber which were the terrans drg lost to at mlg. DRG still has the best zvt in the world hands down. | ||
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I)etox
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raf3776
United States1904 Posts
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CeriseCherries
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Kettchup
United States1911 Posts
On September 07 2011 05:32 Canucklehead wrote: Lol I love leenock, but come on, it's not like leenock has been beating mvp, mma, and bomber which were the terrans drg lost to at mlg. DRG still has the best zvt in the world hands down. I think it is pretty debatable between the two at the moment. Most of Leenock's ZvT losses were in the early part of his career. In the last 4 months Leenock is 26-7, an even better win rate than DRG has, with his only losses being 3 games to MKP, 2 to aLive, 1 to Ganzi and 1 to Ryung. They also have quite different styles, which makes it hard to tell which has the more impressive play. DRG likes to open things up and go for zergling flanks whenever possible, while Leenock goes with the impenetrable defense after getting a handful of roaches. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On September 07 2011 06:05 Kettchup wrote: I think it is pretty debatable between the two at the moment. Most of Leenock's ZvT losses were in the early part of his career. In the last 4 months Leenock is 26-7, an even better win rate than DRG has, with his only losses being 3 games to MKP, 2 to aLive, 1 to Ganzi and 1 to Ryung. They also have quite different styles, which makes it hard to tell which has the more impressive play. DRG likes to open things up and go for zergling flanks whenever possible, while Leenock goes with the impenetrable defense after getting a handful of roaches. But you have to account for the skill level of the terrans they have both faced. Leenock hasn't faced mvp, mma and bomber which are three of the very best terrans in the world. Plus with mma, DRG goes back and forth with him, 1-1 in gstl, lost 2-1 at mlg, won 2-0 in ipl 3 qualifiers. Leenock got destroyed by mkp in code a and if you want to go further back, in the fxo open as well, while DRG has destroyed mkp twice in gstl. In terms of the second class terrans, both leenock and drg beat them pretty regularly, so I'll probably concede the fact that leenock has probably second best zvt in the world behind DRG. Nestea's zvt isn't as good as his other matchups and he's been lucky to avoid top level terrans for the most part during this gsl runs, except for mvp who has shown to dominate him each time. What hurts nestea is the fact he doesn't play in foreign tourneys, so the sample size of his games is a lot lower than other players. Even if you win a gsl, you play roughly the same amount of games that someone would play in mlg pool play. | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
On September 07 2011 04:48 rareh wrote: Better then nestea at ZvT, nestea's vs T was never anything special imo, he really stands out vs Z or P. It's really not that bad, it just looks bad compared to his other match-ups. Nestea really only struggles with a handful of Terrans. | ||
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Titorelli
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synapse
China13814 Posts
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Skydancer
Italy249 Posts
so sad that a cheeser like SuperNova stay in code S. It's not fun to watch, i've hoped that Byung instead stay in code S. I don't even hope that Alicia could stay in Code S.... you know 3 T in same group... | ||
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Chriscras
Korea (South)2812 Posts
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anycolourfloyd
Australia524 Posts
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Darathor
United States327 Posts
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Xayvier
United States387 Posts
I remember when that guy was supposed to have the best TvP in the world, had like a 100% winrate! | ||
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
On September 07 2011 01:23 SafeAsCheese wrote: Leenock can make it into Code S with a path of terrans in front of him, yet DongRaeGu couldn't, and had to use a MLG seed (where he lost to KR terrans each time) to get his. Leenock might have the best ZvT up with NesTeaa Your logic make lol. Sorry brah, Leenock hasn't face MVP, MMA, Bomber and has never beaten MKP before. Nestea might not beat MVP and MMA, but he still the best Zerg in all MU out there. | ||
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