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We will be moderating harshly in this thread. Think twice before you post. Things we are watching for: image macros, balance whining, "eagles", player bashing etc. We encourage civil and reasoned critique of our moderation - please post it in the website feedback forum.

Please don't complain about MLG stream quality or MLG itself. They work very hard to provide you with an enjoyable service.

Enough with the racism discussions, this is a LR Thread. Cut it out.
-- updated 7:55 KST
DreamOen
Profile Joined March 2010
Spain1400 Posts
June 05 2011 18:09 GMT
#8901
Really, I Think idra just got killed by himself and only he can tell what was the thought process.
And , Im really expecting a lot of GREAT matches coming up
Tester | MC | Crank | Flash | Jaedong | MVP
CrAwL
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3 Posts
June 05 2011 18:09 GMT
#8902
Thorzain summoned another thunderstorm streams go down!
Boom!
xza
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore1600 Posts
June 05 2011 18:09 GMT
#8903
You know what happened?

IDRA SAW THE REPLAY.

*que inception soundtrack*
"What a terrible final. This is why BO3s are horrible. Seriously MKP vs Moon in a final and having it BO3 is like having Mila Kunis naked in your bed and all she'll give you is a HJ with her PJs on. Pffffffffffffffftt." -greatZERG
Deekin[
Profile Joined December 2010
Serbia1713 Posts
June 05 2011 18:09 GMT
#8904
Blue Stream not working for me, the same for you guys?
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ CJ Entus fighting! I am a Leta, Hydra, Mind and (ofcourse) Firebathero fan. (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Neo.NEt
Profile Joined August 2010
United States785 Posts
June 05 2011 18:09 GMT
#8905
On June 06 2011 03:08 Talack wrote:
Lots of problem with stream today

I really wish that they'd be able to get it fixed, getting too consistent with MLG events.


this is the first problem ive had and I've been watching for at least 3 hours
Apologize.
outerspace02
Profile Joined March 2011
United States136 Posts
June 05 2011 18:09 GMT
#8906
good to see we're finally getting a quality MLG stream
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
June 05 2011 18:09 GMT
#8907
On June 06 2011 03:07 zev318 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 03:06 karpo wrote:
On June 06 2011 03:03 cascades wrote:
On June 06 2011 02:55 Pyrthas wrote:
On June 06 2011 02:52 Sajimo wrote:
On June 06 2011 02:48 cascades wrote:
Many viewers make the mistake that players can see everything we do.
IDRA DOES NOT HAVE OBS VIEW
- He does not know MMA killed his own OC
- He did not actively scout for a 3rd
- He realised that MMA army was > than 2 base economy
- He assumed incorrectly that MMA push was not a desperate all-in from that OC cancel, but a calculated decision.
- Idra assumed incorrectly that MMA was making a 4th base AND has enough scvs to transfer over
- Based on this and MMA's very successful drop, Idra has 0% chance of a comeback assuming his assumptions are correct.

Idra had seen the third being built at the gold with his mutas.... He can put 2 and 2 together.

Nah, that doesn't even matter. You don't quit when you think you can't win if the other guy plays perfectly. You quit when you think you can't win even if the other guy screws up. Until then, you keep playing, because hey, maybe the other guy will screw up, and then you can win.

Idra seems to always assume that his opponent is in the best possible position, given his information. That's not a bad approach when deciding how to develop your build within the game, but it's a terrible approach when deciding whether to leave the game.

Also, Idra seems to really like to find reasons that he can't win. But maybe that's just a side effect of his always assuming that his opponent is in great shape.


If MMA was indeed making his 4th, MMA would have to quote Tastosis from the Major-Tyler series, "make a dozen different errors to give the game away." and has "absolutely no chance at all". Idra assumed that a player of MMA's caliber wouldn't be making a 3rd that late.

In 99.9% of situations, Idra's call was the right one, and he would be saving the viewers time. Unfortantely, there is the always the 0.1% chance of a freak accident. To be honest, I rather more players gg like Idra then be like Tyler, dragging the game like a dead horse for 15 mins hoping for some freak miracle.


That is just some blatant bias. You really want people to prematurely GG more often? So well see more games where someone more or less gives away a free win? Your percentages are just fiction and from you whole posts it smells of Idra defense.


lmao, is idra playing for the viewers? fuck the viewers, this is a tournament and he's trying to win.


Yeah and he just lost cause of a premature GG, what's your point again?
AXygnus
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Portugal1008 Posts
June 05 2011 18:09 GMT
#8908
MLG: Thorzain vs MC is going on now off-stream, but as soon as Game 2 finishes we are going to begin streaming it.
"To create, to recreate. To create, to recreate. Down to the last seed, I stand with a dark stare. Still silent. Still frighteningly silent."
heaven-
Profile Joined February 2010
United States361 Posts
June 05 2011 18:09 GMT
#8909
I dont understand the eagles thing.... its it that the fact that the eagle stream seems to not go down even tho its like on top of a tree??

The road to success is dotted with many tempting parking places.
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
June 05 2011 18:09 GMT
#8910
wow if the power went out during MC vs ThorZain...........
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
June 05 2011 18:09 GMT
#8911
Yes Slush!!! Come on take out Ret! You can do it man! And then perhaps even IdrA! D: A lot of ZvZs incoming.
Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
June 05 2011 18:09 GMT
#8912
Idra finally cracked and cut the power to the building in a fit of rage
화이탱!! @moonsoshi9
TheAwesomeAll
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands1609 Posts
June 05 2011 18:09 GMT
#8913
On June 06 2011 03:08 Klaent wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 03:07 Mephiztopheles1 wrote:
On June 06 2011 03:01 Str1keFreedom wrote:
"퇴장하는 IdrA에게 왜 나갔냐고 물어봤는데... "문성원은 황금 멀티도 있고(?) 앞마당 드론 다 털려서 내가 진 거다" 라고 판단... 차마 문성원 황금멀티 없어...지가 터트렸어..라고 말하지 못했다"
Mr.Chae GomTV Caster


I asked IdrA when he was exiting from the booth. He said, "MMA had Golden Mineral(?) and I lost my drones in natural so I thought I lost.. I could not dare tell him... that MMA destroyed his own gold CC...

Hah, just as I predicted!
Jesus Christ, Everyone must prevent IdrA from watching that replay, ever.

MMA dident have the gold, and idra had all his drones in the gas, they dident die. -_-

yeah, the drone gas misconception stole all the hope of Idra, poor guy
dr Helvetica <3
i_am_immure
Profile Joined February 2011
United States67 Posts
June 05 2011 18:09 GMT
#8914
The stream is down guys
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
June 05 2011 18:09 GMT
#8915
God, TL twitter makes me want to see Thor vs MC so baaaaaaad.
Zhou
Profile Joined February 2009
United States832 Posts
June 05 2011 18:09 GMT
#8916
On June 06 2011 03:06 KiLL_ORdeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 03:04 StutteR wrote:
On June 06 2011 03:02 Maskedsatyr wrote:
On June 06 2011 02:58 StutteR wrote:
On June 06 2011 02:56 hmmm... wrote:
can someone explain the "holy check"?



Slayers_Cella, the coach of Slayers, is a popular streamer here on TL. One of his catch phrases is Holy Check, in reference to CheckPrime, another Korean Zerg player who was crushing heads in the Beta. MMA got the phrase from Cella and is talking to his foreigner fans.

Is it really a reference to CheckPrime I thought it was meant to substitute Holy Shit.


I think its used as Holy Shit is but yea its a reference to CheckPrime


No it isn't. SlayerSCella famously said holy check on his stream when someone donated $200 to his paypal account. He meant to say holy shit, but it came out as holy check either because of the accent or because that's really what he thought you are supposed to say.

Since, it's become a staple rallying cry of the Slayers team and their fans, especially in the english speaking community.


Or maybe it's holy check because it is quite a lump of money that he thought was in the form of a check? Hmm... Regardless, I wonder if anyone broke the news to Idra yet.
Falcor
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada894 Posts
June 05 2011 18:09 GMT
#8917
On June 06 2011 03:08 SACtheXchng wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 03:01 Oreo7 wrote:
On June 06 2011 03:00 krneki wrote:
not casting mc-thorzain is insta fail.

mlg still has a lot to learn. A LOT


I'd be amazed if they didn't want to show it, probably a logistical issue. Don't instantly assume it's a "failure" without evidence to support that claim.


Excuse me? Not showing one of the (if not THE) most high profile match in the lower bracket is a logistical issue. What kind of logistical issue could you think of might that be?

Not showing this match IS indeed a horrible horrible fail on MLG's part.

Even *IF* it is a logistical issue, then their logistics suck for which they'll also have to take the blame.

they said when the current game is done they'll show it on the red stream
Clickety
Profile Joined November 2010
Portugal196 Posts
June 05 2011 18:09 GMT
#8918
Oh, MLG. -__-
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
June 05 2011 18:09 GMT
#8919
On June 06 2011 03:03 cascades wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 02:55 Pyrthas wrote:
On June 06 2011 02:52 Sajimo wrote:
On June 06 2011 02:48 cascades wrote:
Many viewers make the mistake that players can see everything we do.
IDRA DOES NOT HAVE OBS VIEW
- He does not know MMA killed his own OC
- He did not actively scout for a 3rd
- He realised that MMA army was > than 2 base economy
- He assumed incorrectly that MMA push was not a desperate all-in from that OC cancel, but a calculated decision.
- Idra assumed incorrectly that MMA was making a 4th base AND has enough scvs to transfer over
- Based on this and MMA's very successful drop, Idra has 0% chance of a comeback assuming his assumptions are correct.

Idra had seen the third being built at the gold with his mutas.... He can put 2 and 2 together.

Nah, that doesn't even matter. You don't quit when you think you can't win if the other guy plays perfectly. You quit when you think you can't win even if the other guy screws up. Until then, you keep playing, because hey, maybe the other guy will screw up, and then you can win.

Idra seems to always assume that his opponent is in the best possible position, given his information. That's not a bad approach when deciding how to develop your build within the game, but it's a terrible approach when deciding whether to leave the game.

Also, Idra seems to really like to find reasons that he can't win. But maybe that's just a side effect of his always assuming that his opponent is in great shape.


If MMA was indeed making his 4th, MMA would have to quote Tastosis from the Major-Tyler series, "make a dozen different errors to give the game away." and has "absolutely no chance at all". Idra assumed that a player of MMA's caliber wouldn't be making a 3rd that late.

In 99.9% of situations, Idra's call was the right one, and he would be saving the viewers time. Unfortantely, there is the always the 0.1% chance of a freak accident. To be honest, I rather more players gg like Idra then be like Tyler, dragging the game like a dead horse for 15 mins hoping for some freak miracle.


Then you're crazy in the face. You want more players to gg without knowing what's happening? You at least fucking LOOK. You want more games where players leave as soon as they think they have no chance, resulting in more important games thrown away by the victor?
TDN
Profile Joined May 2011
United States133 Posts
June 05 2011 18:09 GMT
#8920
On June 06 2011 03:00 Nightengale wrote:
If I was not mistaken, IdrA saw his early 3rd CC, right?

Then he saw MMA building another CC at the gold, which he assumed to be his 4th.

He didn't defend the drop properly, probably hoping to clean-sweep the entire MMA army, so technically it puts IdrA one base down.

His clean-sweep happened, but MMA still had a good number of tanks and a few surviving marines.

Could IdrA had assumed that there was no way he could beat a 4-base turtling Terran?

I don't know. It was way too premature no matter how it seemed.



This is exactly what I was thinking. Idra's game sense is just not good at all.
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