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Kamais_Ookin
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada4218 Posts
March 31 2011 11:34 GMT
#2081
On March 31 2011 20:33 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 20:32 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
On March 31 2011 20:30 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
TLAF-Liquid'Jinro vs. anyproPrime.WE- 1
Crevasse
TLAF-Liquid'Jinro - 5
anyproPrime.WE - 11
2:30 - 1 rax with no gas opening. Anypro 1 gate 1 gas opening.
4:00 Jinro with FE and adding on another rax and a bunker. Warp being researched by anypro.
5:30 Proxy stargate for anypro! I think Jinro could hold considering his 4 rax marines and a bunker to boot.
I <3 Plexa.
rushian
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom568 Posts
March 31 2011 11:34 GMT
#2082
On March 31 2011 20:31 papaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 20:28 Ethan7 wrote:
I actually agree with what SOTG (Tyler, Incontrol) etc...

MC doesn't show that much skill, all he does is abusive builds. When you watch Bisu from BW, you are in awe at the game sense and multitasking.

Watching MC you don't feel you are watching anything special, except a abusive Protoss.


Are you serious?

The guy won 2 GSLs.

How many does he have to win to be considered "showing skill":

If the "abusive builds" doesn't take skill, which you are almost saying, why doesn't other progamers do them and just win the GSL?

They don't like money? It's better to lose and have "good" builds rather then have "abusive builds", rank 1 in the world and win GSL:s and $$?

yeah it's hilarious. like every other protoss is either too noble to use good builds or too stupid to study MC's games. Both are utter nonsense these guys are playing for huge money they're going to do whatever they can to win. MC is simply really good and it's a pity people can't see this
"Love every protoss unit" - oGsMC
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44359 Posts
March 31 2011 11:34 GMT
#2083
On March 31 2011 20:31 papaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 20:28 Ethan7 wrote:
I actually agree with what SOTG (Tyler, Incontrol) etc...

MC doesn't show that much skill, all he does is abusive builds. When you watch Bisu from BW, you are in awe at the game sense and multitasking.

Watching MC you don't feel you are watching anything special, except a abusive Protoss.


Are you serious?

The guy won 2 GSLs.

How many does he have to win to be considered "showing skill":

If the "abusive builds" doesn't take skill, which you are almost saying, why doesn't other progamers do them and just win the GSL?

They don't like money? It's better to lose and have "good" builds rather then have "abusive builds", rank 1 in the world and win GSL:s and $$?


I agree with you. If MC was only winning because of the builds he used, then everyone would be as good as MC by simply copying him. Obviously, his skill (strategy, execution, etc.) far surpasses most (all?) other pro-gamers at the moment.

I think they're a bit jealous...
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Pekkz
Profile Joined June 2009
Norway1505 Posts
March 31 2011 11:34 GMT
#2084
What I really have a problem with is every zerg seems to say they have a reallly really hard time against protoss. Every protoss say PvZ is their best match up. Is it hard to draw the conclusion that something is not as it should be in this MU....
Kamais_Ookin
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada4218 Posts
March 31 2011 11:35 GMT
#2085
On March 31 2011 20:34 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 20:33 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
On March 31 2011 20:32 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
On March 31 2011 20:30 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
TLAF-Liquid'Jinro vs. anyproPrime.WE- 1
Crevasse
TLAF-Liquid'Jinro - 5
anyproPrime.WE - 11
2:30 - 1 rax with no gas opening. Anypro 1 gate 1 gas opening.
4:00 Jinro with FE and adding on another rax and a bunker. Warp being researched by anypro.
5:30 Proxy stargate for anypro! I think Jinro could hold considering his 4 rax marines and a bunker to boot.
6:30 Jinro knows what's going on and is making 2 more bunkers. 2 Zealots being warped in the high ground SCV HOLD MICRO zealots coukdn't reach marines!
I <3 Plexa.
hmmm...
Profile Joined March 2011
632 Posts
March 31 2011 11:35 GMT
#2086
On March 31 2011 20:25 Highways wrote:
I actually agree with what SOTG (Tyler, Incontrol) etc...

MC doesn't show that much skill, all he does is abusive builds. When you watch Bisu from BW, you are in awe at the game sense and multitasking.

Watching MC you don't feel you are watching anything special, except a abusive Protoss.


HAH! really.

then why don't tyler and incontrol copy mc's build and just own other people. i'm pretty sure their tournament earnings are hardly decent, maybe they could use some money by just doing abusive builds eh??? I'm sure they wish they had even 1/4 of MC's tournaments earnings.....

MC is skilled. If it were so easy, every other protoss would be playing like MC. But I do agree watching Bisu play is more awe-striking.
zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
March 31 2011 11:35 GMT
#2087
the glasses are a clear tribute to elky...
I AM THE UNIVERSAL CONSTANT
myrmidon2537
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Philippines2188 Posts
March 31 2011 11:35 GMT
#2088
Personally, if builds are similar, (under the assumption that they're not *identical*) if you can't understand how a slight difference can totally alter your game style and decisions, you will never appreciate the genius of the player behind it.

And, uh, masses units and attacks (and wins), as opposed to macro games, maybe you should also consider that its on MC's opponents to actually prove they can get to a macro game first so that he can play a macro game. For all you know, he's gearing for a macro game but they just die before that >_>

Its nice to have an opinion but it seems as if you're downplaying how good MC is.

IPT.PromilKid: I'm only good at Marvel
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44359 Posts
March 31 2011 11:35 GMT
#2089
Jinro couldn't have sniped that void? Either way, nice playing from him!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
AlecPyron
Profile Joined May 2010
United States131 Posts
March 31 2011 11:35 GMT
#2090
On March 31 2011 20:31 thopol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 20:26 pretensile wrote:
On March 31 2011 18:46 FamousSEA wrote:
On March 31 2011 18:46 Tachion wrote:
what is Dokodo?


Dokodo is Korean territory! Dont you read?


This is Dokdo:

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/02/dokdo_or_takeshima.html

http://www.asianewsnet.net/home/news.php?id=18194&sec=1

Wow. I never heard about that. Thanks for posting despite it being offtopic. If you hadn't I would never have known.

Why do the Koreans care so much about that? They seem pretty aggressive about something that has virtually no importance.


Dude, no importance? It's a rich fishing ground the very least. Other countries got into war for just that.
garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
March 31 2011 11:35 GMT
#2091
Jinro's supply depot spots the proxy pylon and starts building more bunkers.

Void ray attack the expansion orbital. anypro warps in some zealots, but Jinro with an awesome SCV block fends it off.
Even during difficult times, when I sat down to play the game, there were times where it felt like god has descended down and played [for me].
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
March 31 2011 11:35 GMT
#2092
On March 31 2011 20:34 Sfydjklm wrote:
lol for a second i had a BW flashback and was like whoa wtf why is Jinro going rax TvP


lololol,on that note.

Poll: Who wil win

Jinro Possesed by Elky (29)
 
91%

Jinro (2)
 
6%

Anypro (1)
 
3%

32 total votes

Your vote: Who wil win

(Vote): Jinro
(Vote): Jinro Possesed by Elky
(Vote): Anypro

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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pretensile
Profile Joined August 2010
135 Posts
March 31 2011 11:35 GMT
#2093
On March 31 2011 20:31 thopol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 20:26 pretensile wrote:
On March 31 2011 18:46 FamousSEA wrote:
On March 31 2011 18:46 Tachion wrote:
what is Dokodo?


Dokodo is Korean territory! Dont you read?


This is Dokdo:

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/02/dokdo_or_takeshima.html

http://www.asianewsnet.net/home/news.php?id=18194&sec=1

Wow. I never heard about that. Thanks for posting despite it being offtopic. If you hadn't I would never have known.

Why do the Koreans care so much about that? They seem pretty aggressive about something that has virtually no importance.

EDIT: Jinro Hwaiting!!


It's because MarineKingPrime held up a sign saying "Dokdo is Korean territory" after his match against Sen. I'm guessing it's been a hot-button topic lately in South Korea, though it's still a little bit odd that he brings it up in an esports setting.
ct2299
Profile Joined February 2011
380 Posts
March 31 2011 11:35 GMT
#2094
On March 31 2011 20:31 Huckleuro wrote:
I am the biggest anti-balance talking bloke here.

If MC played Zerg, could you see him totally and utterly crushing the top protoss's without even sweating? No drops or 2 pronged attacks, just macro and timing? Because i cant.

However. MC forcefields are bossmode.


I definitely agree that MC wouldn't be able to crush the top protoss' without sweating, but at the same time I think no other protoss could do what he does to the level MC does it as well.

Kamais_Ookin
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada4218 Posts
March 31 2011 11:36 GMT
#2095
On March 31 2011 20:35 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 20:34 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
On March 31 2011 20:33 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
On March 31 2011 20:32 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
On March 31 2011 20:30 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
TLAF-Liquid'Jinro vs. anyproPrime.WE- 1
Crevasse
TLAF-Liquid'Jinro - 5
anyproPrime.WE - 11
2:30 - 1 rax with no gas opening. Anypro 1 gate 1 gas opening.
4:00 Jinro with FE and adding on another rax and a bunker. Warp being researched by anypro.
5:30 Proxy stargate for anypro! I think Jinro could hold considering his 4 rax marines and a bunker to boot.
6:30 Jinro knows what's going on and is making 2 more bunkers. 2 Zealots being warped in the high ground SCV HOLD MICRO zealots coukdn't reach marines!
8:00 Stim is half-way done, voids trying to charge on rocks, Jinro has so many bunkers this should be ezy. anypro doesn't now what to do.
I <3 Plexa.
RedMooN09
Profile Joined May 2010
United States24 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-31 11:37:45
March 31 2011 11:36 GMT
#2096
On March 31 2011 20:31 thopol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 20:26 pretensile wrote:
On March 31 2011 18:46 FamousSEA wrote:
On March 31 2011 18:46 Tachion wrote:
what is Dokodo?


Dokodo is Korean territory! Dont you read?


This is Dokdo:

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/02/dokdo_or_takeshima.html

http://www.asianewsnet.net/home/news.php?id=18194&sec=1

Wow. I never heard about that. Thanks for posting despite it being offtopic. If you hadn't I would never have known.

Why do the Koreans care so much about that? They seem pretty aggressive about something that has virtually no importance.

EDIT: Jinro Hwaiting!!


When someone is trying to take what is yours, regardless of its importance (though Dokdo IS important b/c of territorial issues which grants access to natural resources), wouldn't you try to stop them? So you'd let someone readily steal your $5 pen since it's not that expensive?

OP: I hope Jinro wins! Go Go Gorilla Terran Go Go!
cutler
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany609 Posts
March 31 2011 11:36 GMT
#2097
MC...i love u! Great games!
WingEn
Profile Joined February 2011
84 Posts
March 31 2011 11:36 GMT
#2098
On March 31 2011 20:31 Chise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 20:26 HolyArrow wrote:
On March 31 2011 20:25 Chise wrote:
On March 31 2011 20:22 HolyArrow wrote:
On March 31 2011 20:20 Chise wrote:
Mc only knows 2 builds. His games are so boring to watch...


Oh, the ignorance. Try reading some posts in the MC vs. July finals thread. Many smart players broke down what MC did and showed that he knows plenty of builds, even though everyone whining thought it was just 6gate/4gate every game.


So it's ignorance that IN MY OPINION Mc is just extremely boring to watch? Ok.


No, that opinion is totally fine. The ignorance was expressed in your first sentence, not your second, and that was what my post was addressing. My post addressed nothing about your second sentence.


Well, I obviously do know that MC knows more than 2 builds, but looking at his games, they are all similar. Most games differ only slithtly, he either expands, doesn't expand, gets a robo, or something like that. But overall, he masses units and attacks (and wins with that attack) every game.
MC is a pretty good player, he's just not showing entertaining games, in my opinion.
The last entertaining game from MC I remember was in GSL 3 vs Rain. He actually played a macro game back then.

So... In his games, he used.... Zealots, Stalkers, Sentries, DTs, Observers, Immortals, Pheonix, Voidray....
So, other Protoss players like to make deathballs and roll around and people call it imba
MC love to win without deathballs and people still call it imba

Conclusion? MC is imba.
recklessfire
Profile Joined September 2010
United States373 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-31 11:37:38
March 31 2011 11:36 GMT
#2099
On March 31 2011 20:31 Chise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 20:26 HolyArrow wrote:
On March 31 2011 20:25 Chise wrote:
On March 31 2011 20:22 HolyArrow wrote:
On March 31 2011 20:20 Chise wrote:
Mc only knows 2 builds. His games are so boring to watch...


Oh, the ignorance. Try reading some posts in the MC vs. July finals thread. Many smart players broke down what MC did and showed that he knows plenty of builds, even though everyone whining thought it was just 6gate/4gate every game.


So it's ignorance that IN MY OPINION Mc is just extremely boring to watch? Ok.


No, that opinion is totally fine. The ignorance was expressed in your first sentence, not your second, and that was what my post was addressing. My post addressed nothing about your second sentence.


Well, I obviously do know that MC knows more than 2 builds, but looking at his games, they are all similar. Most games differ only slithtly, he either expands, doesn't expand, gets a robo, or something like that. But overall, he masses units and attacks (and wins with that attack) every game.
MC is a pretty good player, he's just not showing entertaining games, in my opinion.
The last entertaining game from MC I remember was in GSL 3 vs Rain. He actually played a macro game back then.



PvT is so much more versatile than PvZ. The PvZ matchup seems so linear and thats due to the conflicting problems with the gameplay itself, i.e warpgate. Im not saying its imbalanced but its a sensitive issue that cant be easily solved with simple nerfs or buffs to units.

Protoss's only effective response to zerg mass units is colossus, so we either turtle to get to them or hit them before there are too many zerg units. Not much else we can do because gateway units are so ineffective against zerg units in straight up battles
DayJP
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil477 Posts
March 31 2011 11:36 GMT
#2100
wth is this protoss kid trying to do rofl
"Why did the Colossus fall over? Because it's imbalanced! :D" - Dan Artosis
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