EPTHowever, you fail to note some timings (like building the roach warren in ZvT or when to get hydra range and speed in ZvP) and probably a few more. Please check back on that to include all rough timings on upgrades and buildings.
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Mahtasooma
Germany475 Posts
However, you fail to note some timings (like building the roach warren in ZvT or when to get hydra range and speed in ZvP) and probably a few more. Please check back on that to include all rough timings on upgrades and buildings. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On April 25 2013 05:20 Mahtasooma wrote: Great advice. And I hate HotS for making lings virtually useless against anything but a Gateway or Immortal allin. I love lings, but I just gotta accept I have to stick to slow-as-&%$/ units like roach/hydra. However, you fail to note some timings (like building the roach warren in ZvT or when to get hydra range and speed in ZvP) and probably a few more. Please check back on that to include all rough timings on upgrades and buildings. Ling/baneling is viable zvt. It's more common to see muta/ling/bane zvt then roach/hydra least in every tournament/stream most don't do roach/hydra. Just it's very easy to mess up with ling/bane against widowmines and lose a bunch and end up losing the game or something. | ||
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snexwang
Australia224 Posts
On April 25 2013 05:20 Mahtasooma wrote: ... you fail to note some timings (like building the roach warren in ZvT or when to get hydra range and speed in ZvP) and probably a few more. Please check back on that to include all rough timings on upgrades and buildings. Start your lair with your next 100 gas, begin your third and fourth gases, and start a roach warren after this. Hydra upgrades are pretty straight forward... start one and then the other. I think it's almost always better to start range before speed... probably. | ||
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xzumiex
Belgium100 Posts
 Really like the build, you can easily transition into mutas to be more aggressive. I'm not a fan of swarmhosts because protoss will go 2base void ray/colossus/templar. and beat me so easily when he's maxed. | ||
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Chris2124
Scotland4 Posts
My main problem is with the ZvT. It seems almost impossible for me to reach that 3-3 with vipers and move out before losing the game. Most terran players I've gone against (~1000 Master) have simply dropped 2 bases at once, then attacked my 4th with their main army before I get a 3-3 and vipers. They have total map control after the initial roach pressure, how can you deal with drops? Thanks for the guide btw | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
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KayoDot
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DenTenker
United States606 Posts
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Drmooose
United States390 Posts
On April 26 2013 00:29 KayoDot wrote: Hey, thanks for the guides. I came up with a slight tweak to your ZvZ build which seems to make a bit more sense. Instead of pulling 2 drones from minerals to gas when you start producing 3 drones from 18-21 supply, just rally those 3 drones that you're making to your gas geyser. Then, when you're at 50 gas, just take one of those drones from the gas geyser and make your bane nest. With this method, you actually get the bane nest at almost exactly the same time as the build you described, except there's a little less disruption of the drones mining minerals, and you maintain an even 2 drones per patch at all times. I've been doing this for two seasons now. I'd definitely like to hear some opinions on this. 1.3k masters. | ||
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Babba
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NerrZ
United States21 Posts
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ToXSiK
United States83 Posts
On April 25 2013 13:55 mango_destroyer wrote: Hey toxsik, for that ZvZ build it is working pretty good for me however how do I know if I should commit to the ling bane pressure if they have some lings and banes of their own at the front? Do I just pull back if it looks like they have almost equal ling bane numbers? Awesome! If they have good defense already, just run around and force them to make units while you drone. The point of the attack isn't to win, but gain an economic advantage. good luck! | ||
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Theilo
Germany26 Posts
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anatase
France532 Posts
you literally won because you forgot your spire, told him, he could not bear that, made him rage and bm, Great guide, the ZvP seems interesting. | ||
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