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[IPL] A Class Above - IPL2 Preview - Page 6

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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 14 2011 16:32 GMT
#101
On July 14 2011 17:19 GoodRamen wrote:
frontpage does look like a cheesy UFC poster xD its ok lovedrop ^^



Looks fucking awesome.
Oh and idra wins ez.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
RajaF
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada530 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-14 16:37:28
July 14 2011 16:37 GMT
#102
On July 14 2011 21:24 Wildsound wrote:
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On July 14 2011 19:34 Sbrubbles wrote:
On July 14 2011 18:42 Ruscour wrote:
On July 14 2011 18:10 CNSnow wrote:
Sooooooooooooooooooooo exited about his cause no Korean is in the tournament!!!!! I love koreans game play but i dont like ti see them everywere!!! I wanna see other players too and the foreigner seen is very good!!! A little bit behind koreans but he are giving their best!!!
GL to all players and especially to Idra/White-Ra!!!

Why do you watch Starcraft II? Your mannerisms suggest that you're not a high level player (although this is purely an assumption, after all, Day[9] sure loves his exclamation marks and xDs), so I'm assuming you watch for entertainment value.

Why the hell would you watch anything less than the best of the best if you have a choice. Do you really prefer not to watch a game because of the race of the players? I dunno if that could be considered 'racist', but it can certainly be considered stupid. If you want to watch the best in Europe, well, there's events like DreamHack. Same with the US if there was a North American LAN event (NASL had international players and such). In online tournaments, where a player is nothing more than their name and their skill, there is no room for weaker players to get the main stage just because of their nationality (except if there's lag and stuff).

It's obvious why IPL is excluding Koreans; their audience is different than the other events. Who's watching NASL aside from SC2 fans? No-one. IPL has a mainstream gaming audience and it's easier to associate with players that aren't Korean, because we don't know their language, and 'they all look the same'. It also breaks the reputation that BW had, as foreigners didn't even come close to Korean level. I do understand where IPL is coming from, and I agree that SC2 as an esport looks more attractive to someone who's never seen it before if it's not 2 Koreans playing, but beyond that first impression it's stupid not to let the best play.

That's my opinion, not trying to be spiteful or anything, if anyone has a counterargument I'd be happy to read it, I'm genuinely interested in the subject.


People have multiple reasons for not wanting to watch the best of the best play, in any sport, all over the world. You watch a game between ppl who aren't the best because you feel emotionally linked to them and to the "sports scene" the game belongs to. I, for example, prefer watching any Brazillian soccer tournament than Europe's Champion's League even though the Champion's League has overall better games. If you want to call me racist or stupid, that's your problem!


Thats the stupidest thing i've ever heard. If you find yourself having an emotional link to a player(s) surely your ultimate hope comes down to that player aspiring to becoming the best in the world? Why win a second rate tournament with little prestige than an event that makes people notice you as being one of the best players in the world? People talk about the money, and how its not "fair" that koreans could end up taking it all, but so what? If people want to take the game seriously then they need to step it up a gear, and events like this isn't allowing it.


So then I guess that the fans of the teams that never make it to the Premier League should just give up because they will never get to see their players be the best in the world?
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
July 14 2011 16:38 GMT
#103
Doesn't Idra look a little skinny on this picture ?
I used to know Jean-Grack Van Damme
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integrity
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1014 Posts
July 14 2011 16:49 GMT
#104
some of you guys really need to get off the "Koreans only have good game" crap. Americans and EU players are very well capable of putting on a great show for us all.
DarkenedLite
Profile Joined April 2011
United States188 Posts
July 14 2011 16:50 GMT
#105
I think of the IPL as College Football compared to the NFL. Is it "stupid" for hundreds of thousands of people to prefer the former? Because it's quite true in this analogy.
You can only win the game when you understand that it is a game.
Halcyondaze
Profile Joined January 2011
United States509 Posts
July 14 2011 16:57 GMT
#106
This is going to be great. And stop using the stupid > this > this. Support the tournaments accordingly, each will improve and they all bring a different atmosphere.
Jacopana
Profile Joined September 2009
El Salvador210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-14 17:00:12
July 14 2011 17:00 GMT
#107
IPL again =) nice to have this many big stages! looking forward to it
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
July 14 2011 17:06 GMT
#108
On July 14 2011 23:35 ptbl wrote:
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On July 14 2011 23:09 Mr Showtime wrote:
On July 14 2011 22:48 ptbl wrote:
On July 14 2011 22:38 Mr Showtime wrote:
I've heard enough of the "these aren't the best players" bullshit. That's what it is. Complete BULLSHIT. Stop complaining. All of these guys are amazing Starcraft players. The people of the UK get wicked hyped for the Premier League championships even though at least the worlds top 3 players (Messi, Ronaldo, Kaka) all play in La Liga out of Spain. These guys are all amazing world class players. Go out an enjoy the awesome championship, and stop bitching. Please.


I'm not sure if you've been following the international Starcraft scene lately, but it's not the beta anymore...


Learn to read what is written and not what you think I might possibly be implying. The koreans are the best, no doubt. They aren't so far ahead that it wouldn't even be competitive to play the guys here in IPL. I never once said that they were equal to or better than the koreans. They are "amazing world class players". Enjoy the tournament and stop bitching. Apparently that comment was to be directed at you. Your ignorance and those of you alike is the only thing hindering the growth of IPL which is likely the highest production value online tournament out there.


I would tone down your language unless you want to get a temp ban. Anyway, I would say the TSL3 has the highest production value of an online tournament.


Thanks for the concern, but I'm not too worried about that. If my point is made, it would be worth it. I'm tired of listening to that crap. Besides, I uttered nothing derogatory and never will. That's the stuff that should stay off the forums.

And I agree that TSL3 had better production value than IPL1. So far I've heard really good things about IPL2, so we'll see!
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
July 14 2011 17:09 GMT
#109
On July 15 2011 01:17 VL-Orion wrote:
Wow no koreans or EU players ?
Even though I am American patriot, I do realize the possible skill gap between Americans/Europeans/Koreans players. What I want to do is to tilt the balance a little bit, and have American players earn more time not having to worry about their living and spend that time practicing and up their game

Translation : Americans sucks therefore we don't want to compete with the rest of the world atm

I don't understand the mentality involved here , you can only get better by practicing / competing with the best.

I don't think i would be watching this league (Nasl has horrifying production but the rosters is amazing and the games were awesome)
i rather watch NASL season 2.

Do they at least allow Huk to participate ?( or does he counts as koreans now that he practice alot and in GSL code S?) i would love him to win this league.


The NA players aren't protesting the presence of koreans in the tournament because they are too good. Not sure where you got that idea. That's completely false. Koerans aren't participating because they don't care to because it's an online tournament in NA, or they didn't make it through the qualifiers.
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
July 14 2011 17:14 GMT
#110
On July 15 2011 01:50 DarkenedLite wrote:
I think of the IPL as College Football compared to the NFL. Is it "stupid" for hundreds of thousands of people to prefer the former? Because it's quite true in this analogy.


Hey, someone who gets it! I used a similar analogy that I personally like a wee bit better, even though we are both kinda saying the same thing. In my opinion, the skill gap between college football and the NFL is much larger than that between the Koreans and NA players. I said that people in the UK still get hyped for the Premier League championship which features some of the worlds best players (i.e. Rooney, Torres, Tevez), even though at least the world's top 3 players (Messi, Ronaldo, Kaka) all play in La Liga out of Spain. They aren't THE best, but it's way too close to make a fuss about. Though the analogy is a little shaky because I focus solely on the individual rather than the team, but I think you can see my point.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8323 Posts
July 14 2011 17:25 GMT
#111
Get'em drewbie!

But also wow, great interviews, a TON of really informative stuff there.

Glad they're doing it this way, building up IPL slowly for season three where they'll have a huge prizepool and korean players.

Very nicely done.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
snifit
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada217 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-14 17:50:32
July 14 2011 17:49 GMT
#112
Shindigs' article was very poorly written.
the raven
zala2023
Profile Joined April 2011
United States228 Posts
July 14 2011 18:02 GMT
#113
greg idra fields!!!

the production value of the first IPL caught me off guard, I certainly hope the second season is as good, if not even better.
relax bro we got this
cavalier117
Profile Joined April 2011
United States430 Posts
July 14 2011 18:30 GMT
#114
the thing i REALLY liked in this writeup was the match history for the main card for IdrA and Drewbie, showing both their TvZ/ZvT histories and then the personal histories between the two players. it really sheds light on how well they feel in the matchup and against each other. i hope TL starts doing that for every preview in future writeups.
Capitalization is the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
July 14 2011 18:39 GMT
#115
On July 15 2011 00:41 TotalBiscuit wrote:
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On July 15 2011 00:13 qbs wrote:
dont know why so much hype with this match drewbie vs idra it can go only one way : /


Why exactly? Drewbie has beat him fair and square on multiple occassions.

Not entirely sure why people are taking a dump on the guy who made the premier league remark, he's absolutely right. Sports fans watch the match because it's the match, not due to who is playing. They do not ignore all of the matches that aren't being played by the top couple of teams, they enjoy the sport, regardless of who is playing it. The idea that you can't enjoy SC2 unless it's being played at the absolute razer edge of perfection is something I'll never understand, not to mention is a fairly harmful attitude to have. I actually feel sorry for people that can't enjoy SC2 unless it's being played by Koreans, how terrible to be denied so much entertainment simply due to some self-imposed restriction.


Agree. One tournament without Koreans is fine by me! They're playing in everything else for goodness sake.
I get as much enjoyment out of the Euro and NA scenes as I do the KR.

Looking forward to this tournament!!
Yareq
Profile Joined June 2011
United States39 Posts
July 14 2011 18:41 GMT
#116
interesting, i hope drew starts to show more skill in these tournys, i feel like he hasn't been playing as hard as he could.
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
July 14 2011 18:49 GMT
#117
Somehow i cant see Drewbie win this no matter how i try to run my imagination wild...
qbs
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland771 Posts
July 14 2011 18:55 GMT
#118
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 15 2011 00:41 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 00:13 qbs wrote:
dont know why so much hype with this match drewbie vs idra it can go only one way : /


Why exactly? Drewbie has beat him fair and square on multiple occassions.

Not entirely sure why people are taking a dump on the guy who made the premier league remark, he's absolutely right. Sports fans watch the match because it's the match, not due to who is playing. They do not ignore all of the matches that aren't being played by the top couple of teams, they enjoy the sport, regardless of who is playing it. The idea that you can't enjoy SC2 unless it's being played at the absolute razer edge of perfection is something I'll never understand, not to mention is a fairly harmful attitude to have. I actually feel sorry for people that can't enjoy SC2 unless it's being played by Koreans, how terrible to be denied so much entertainment simply due to some self-imposed restriction.



yeah you are right and dont get me wrong i will watch it and cheer but i fell like this match is more like can drewbie make a upset( btw i hope he does ! : D ) ? Im waiting for moonan vs furry and and die star vs minigun should be fun !
gogo !
DeMusliM !!!
JerKy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)3013 Posts
July 14 2011 19:00 GMT
#119
Sick write up!
Gogo Drewbie fighting!
You can type "StarCraft" with just your left hand.
amazingoopah
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1925 Posts
July 14 2011 19:10 GMT
#120
I really think the best model for SC2 and something the IGN guy was alluding to could be NCAA basketball... tons of regular season games very few people watch except for fans of each school, but then almost everyone in the country is aware of the bracket tournament and the final four. Something like that could be viable at the outset.
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