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On December 13 2017 08:22 Palmar wrote:
I also think Oats looks potentially okay.
Grack's tone is terrible but maybe it's because I haven't really read much of his posts.
darthfoley has literally said _nothing_ that matters throughout the game. I don't know if it makes him mafia.
So what do you know?
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On December 13 2017 05:41 Kmatt wrote:
DF how do you feel about prplhz?
I just reread his filter and I was still unimpressed. His vote on Kmatt is really weird and not justified well. Almost struck me like he was uncomfortable with the amount of votes Palmar had after starting the wagon
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So I really don't understand Conversion at all right now. No idea where his head is at if he's town.
Starts off with this
On December 12 2017 12:21 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2017 12:16 Arya321 wrote:On December 12 2017 12:04 Conversion wrote:On December 12 2017 12:00 darthfoley wrote:On December 12 2017 11:35 Conversion wrote:
you won last game I did. It was not as glorious as advertised ya but why would you tell people palmar led "us" to utter defeat last game, when you won? i think he means he led town to utter defeat? Just not worded right I think. from someone who would point out my usage of a nonexistent word (irregardless), I'm going to not give him the benefit of the doubt on wording something poorly. DF knew what he was typing-- a rather poor attempt to joke around and look townie by saying Palmar led "us" to defeat. I also asked DF, not you for your interpretation why aren't you pressing anyone even with some new entrances/some content to buzz around for someone who seems so eager about scumhunting?
So he reads my post as "a poor attempt to joke around and look townie." Only people concerned about "looking townie" are scum. So we can assume he has some sort of scum read on me, albeit early on in the game.
Koshi and I call him out for it, and he responds...
On December 13 2017 06:08 Conversion wrote:
df when did I ever remotely try to push or case you? lolwut. I said your post was bad in trying to look overly townie
Now he sort of pivots to say that my post was "bad" which is still vague, but he continues to push the idea that I was "trying to look overly townie" which still implies some level of scum read while simultaneously claiming he "never remotely tried to push or case me."
On December 12 2017 12:33 Conversion wrote:
I'm saying it's a bad statement to make to try and look unnecessarily townie. if that makes him scum, idk yet.
ya I'm pretty tired too and no one else seems to be entertaining me US-wise so might get some zzz
Well, what is the town motivation from Conversion's POV? He's only been concerned with the mafia POV seemingly. This again feels like hedging.
On December 13 2017 06:30 Conversion wrote:
I’m glad I’m infuriating you because I felt the same about some of your posts. glad it’s a two way road here.
now tell me how DF’s posts are genuine when he’s had almost no original thoughts, and he’s not making waves either
So now he's implying he doesn't believe my gameplay has been genuine. In fact, he outright says I have "almost no original thoughts" and that i'm "not making waves." These are classic traits of being mafia.
On December 13 2017 06:42 Conversion wrote:
because you’re arbitrarily reading DF as town for being genuine? are you really asking me why I’m asking you to pull an example because I’m not seeing what you’re seeing?
w/e. go about your game and I’ll go about mine
So again he's pushing Koshi to provide evidence to substantiate his town read on me. Through all of this he's tried to claim that he hasn't made up his mind on my alignment, while simultaneously only treating me as if he were scum reading me. It should also be noted that he hasn't tried interacting with me at all besides that one defensive question.
Instead of trying to determine my alignment by pressuring me or asking me stuff himself, he's doing some round about thing of pressuring Koshi to prove that i'm town???? Why wouldn't he just pressure me? Like why does Koshi's opinion matter at all?
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So yea, as of right now i'm scum reading Conversion in case it wasn't clear.
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The irony of him and Palmar falsely claiming that I have no original thoughts is not only ironic (because neither of them have any concrete thoughts whatsoever), it's also dumb.
I can't help it if someone arrives to the same conclusion as me, two hours before I wake up because of timezones etc. The manner in which people push their thoughts is much much more important than the thoughts themselves.
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On December 13 2017 08:54 Conversion wrote:
cool story. you and Koshi going to do something like actually vote for your scum reads?
On December 13 2017 06:42 Conversion wrote:
go about your game and I’ll go about mine
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On December 13 2017 08:59 Conversion wrote:
? I’m Koshi’s best shot at lynching mafia and I’m one of your only scum reads, but you’re just going to sit there and not do anything
where’s your town motive in that?
I just did something, and called you scummy. I can vote for you whenever I please. I have like 20 hours left to vote. Why the rush?
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On December 13 2017 09:02 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2017 08:28 darthfoley wrote:On December 13 2017 07:05 Koshi wrote:On December 13 2017 05:17 Koshi wrote:
So we are here:
Town:
DarthFoley
Oatsmaster
prphlz
Ayra321
Kmatt
Palmar
Don't lynch them today:
Forumite
Holyflare
Shoot them but don't lynch them D1:
Chezinu
Grack
Lynch:
VE
Conversion I think this is my new list. Town is on top. It isn't perfectly in order but close enough. Especially second to sixth place is pretty random. DarthFoley Oatsmaster prphlz VE Ayra321 Kmatt Grack Forumite Holyflare Eversince Chezinu Palmar Conversion Why are you town reading my scum read when that read is a large part of your town read on me? Why did you agree with my town read on Kmatt then make him your 6th most town? My list is mine. I dont know who your scumread is I am townreading. I dont tpwnread kmatt because you townread him. I dont even remember what you said about him. My lost is mine. Gathered from things in this thread.
I scum read VE. You use that as part of your town read one me. You claim that we "connect" when we're both town, but you also town read VE??
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On December 13 2017 09:23 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2017 09:22 Holyflare wrote:
It's terrible that Conversion said that DF is trying to look towny but then did absolutely nothing about it and didn't even call him mafia despite calling him things that mafia does? IT's terrible you and DF have called me mafia on this exact same point for the past I don't even know how many games and you've been right. once. both of you
I've only played with you like twice mate. And one of those games I was scum
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On December 13 2017 09:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Df's read on conversion is terrible
Thanks champ. Haters are my motivators
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On December 13 2017 09:27 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2017 09:25 darthfoley wrote:On December 13 2017 09:23 Conversion wrote:On December 13 2017 09:22 Holyflare wrote:
It's terrible that Conversion said that DF is trying to look towny but then did absolutely nothing about it and didn't even call him mafia despite calling him things that mafia does? IT's terrible you and DF have called me mafia on this exact same point for the past I don't even know how many games and you've been right. once. both of you I've only played with you like twice mate. And one of those games I was scum I'm consolidating you and HF together bc honestly you two sound the same every time either one of you calls me scum
Well I mean you still haven't called me scum so
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On December 13 2017 09:55 Arya321 wrote:
Wait Grack thinks I am LightningStrike too? Why do people think I am him or her?
Your grammar and punctuation skills are way too good to be LS
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On December 13 2017 09:58 Conversion wrote:Forumite: lots of questions, no real substance Show nested quote +On December 12 2017 06:14 Forumite wrote:On December 12 2017 06:07 Kmatt wrote:On December 12 2017 06:00 Forumite wrote:On December 12 2017 05:37 Kmatt wrote:
On the first day of Christmas, Damdred gave to me: surprise murder mystery! Noone´s dead yet, planning to survive the first night? As if. I must have spent a good 90 seconds getting the syllables to line up. No way am I doing the entire song. Lazy Closed setup, named "Simple". I don´t expect anything weird but I haven´t been at TL Mafia for a while, I´m not sure what´s normal these days. Back in the days, doctors and DTs were common, but they rarely had twists. DTs give straight answers, but roleblockers, millers and godfathers can mess with the results. Same with doctors, you protect unless scum use extra killpower or you get roleblocked. Show nested quote +On December 12 2017 19:38 Forumite wrote:On December 12 2017 18:53 Palmar wrote:On December 12 2017 08:24 Forumite wrote:On December 12 2017 08:21 prplhz wrote:
Lets get started
##Vote Palmar Not my first pick, but this works. ##Vote Palmar scummy I know. I was just about to suggest HF when prplhz picked you and didn't want to divide attention. HF for later, you first. On December 12 2017 18:57 Palmar wrote:
I have no real opinions yet, can someone make up a shitfight or something? Do you have any thoughts on the setup and current blue/black-tells? Show nested quote +On December 12 2017 22:45 Forumite wrote:On December 12 2017 22:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
Man this wagon is big. I feel like it's this bitcoin bubble that's about to burst, Palmar isn't gonna get lynched at all is he?! Hi VE, what are your scumreads? Show nested quote +On December 13 2017 07:05 Forumite wrote:On December 13 2017 06:39 Grackaroni wrote:
This is going to sound pretty stupid but I could see teammates wanting to jump on scum Palmar as a distancing maneuver at the start of the day when there's little chance that votes would stay on him for the rest of the day. Yes, that´s possible, but it doesn´t really give town-points unless Palmar is lynched and they lead the lynch. Why do you say it´s stupid? This is one of your first real posts in this game, and also full of WIFOM and a soft-defend on someone you are voting for. On December 12 2017 08:07 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm sensing some electrical discharge of the variety typically found in a thunder storm. If only I could put a name to it. On December 13 2017 00:58 Grackaroni wrote:On December 12 2017 23:33 VisceraEyes wrote:On December 12 2017 23:01 Palmar wrote:On December 12 2017 19:38 Forumite wrote:On December 12 2017 18:53 Palmar wrote:On December 12 2017 08:24 Forumite wrote:On December 12 2017 08:21 prplhz wrote:
Lets get started
##Vote Palmar Not my first pick, but this works. ##Vote Palmar scummy I know. I was just about to suggest HF when prplhz picked you and didn't want to divide attention. HF for later, you first. On December 12 2017 18:57 Palmar wrote:
I have no real opinions yet, can someone make up a shitfight or something? Do you have any thoughts on the setup and current blue/black-tells? I never blue/blackhunt and the setup is closed? stupid question. Palmar read OP = mafia no? Fuck man this opening has been so clean, the wagon so pure. I have no scumreads. Maybe Grack for starting such a pure and beautiful wagon? Nooooo. I was just upset about Palmar's callous hijacking of your unicorn. I swears it. Also I have pork chops. Lots of pork chops. Would you please explain these two? I found out two things from this post. HF is their top scum read, and they're ok with a Palmar lynch everything after that is question -> disappear
Yes, forumite could well be mafia
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On December 13 2017 10:30 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2017 10:18 Arya321 wrote:
I not lightningstrike but I trying to figure out Conversion's alignment outside of the case everyone got on him. Got him null atm.
Need Palmar to post more to uncover his alignment. Ever is afk and so is chez. Hasn't really read Oats filter at all will check it out soon. You are without a doubt LightningStrike. I got told by people that you are already. So you have no scum reads and didn't mention ve despite posting that his read switch in oats was odd?
I take it back. His inability to say "I'm" or "I am" is a LS tell
I not Lightningstrike lol
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On December 13 2017 11:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
Koshi and VE are playing super forced townie
This I totally agree with
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On December 13 2017 23:33 Conversion wrote:
I don't like the idea of Koshi being married to his list, but that's whatever
DF who's next on your list if you're set on lynching me today?
let's speak two hypotheticals: I flip scum vs. I don't flip scum
Currently re-reading now. Will get back to you after I read the last 10 pages
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On December 14 2017 00:01 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2017 23:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ugh the double feel when Kmatt and Conversion are the only other currently viable wagons to Palmar.
Maybe I'll make it a ballgame and vote on Oatsmaster with Forumite. I think I'll make it a ballgame and vote on Oatsmaster with Forumite. Because I think Oatsmaster is more likely than not mafia and I'm pretty nullz0rz on Palmar yet.
##Unvote
##Vote: Oatsmaster
Palmar said something about me talking myself into voting him earlier, thinking I'm scum for it. It's this new thing I'm doing where I kinda just explain shittily my shitty thought process. Again. Haters can eat giant bags of dicks.
Also there's this kinda stink in the thread about me being "forced townie" or something? I don't know, it's still all dumb to me, it all just smacks of "looks town = mafia" to me, so I'm just going to continue to not really do anything about it but what I'm doing because....I still don't have any votes on me.
NIGHT TL!!! It's not looks town equals mafia but you're posting more with your brain than your heart which is kind of non-ve-like. You agree with this yourself too in this very post you're saying that you're switching things up.
Ok I think this dude is more likely town than not now.
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On December 13 2017 22:07 Conversion wrote:
there probably is a mafia between koshi/df btw if I get lynched today. I’m leaning toward more Koshi than that and he’s probably just rerolling his playstyle cuz he knows VE/Palmar won’t let himnslide like last game
df is lookin better. I’ll eat a shoe if they both rolled scum again
On December 14 2017 02:42 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 02:29 Grackaroni wrote:On December 14 2017 02:19 Koshi wrote:On December 14 2017 02:04 Grackaroni wrote:Ok I did a quick reread of Conversion's scum play in the last newbie. I think the difference between his play in that game and in this game is really night and day. Do a quick read for yourself. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?user=ConversionIn that game his reads are a lot more indecisive. He gives a list of wishy washy reads and whenever he gives a read on somebody that isn't a town read he adds a qualifier for why his read may be wrong. In this game he calls out things that he doesn't like about DF, Forumite's and Arya's play right off the bat without reservation. On December 12 2017 08:14 Conversion wrote:On December 12 2017 08:11 Arya321 wrote:
BTW Setup talk is a dumb thnig to speculate now since we should just focus on pure scum hunting. this isn't a great post. of course we should scum hunt, but that doesn't mean setup talk isn't scum hunting also there's like 1 page of content, so we can't really do much else until people bleed in On December 12 2017 12:21 Conversion wrote:On December 12 2017 12:16 Arya321 wrote:On December 12 2017 12:04 Conversion wrote:On December 12 2017 12:00 darthfoley wrote:On December 12 2017 11:35 Conversion wrote:
you won last game I did. It was not as glorious as advertised ya but why would you tell people palmar led "us" to utter defeat last game, when you won? i think he means he led town to utter defeat? Just not worded right I think. from someone who would point out my usage of a nonexistent word (irregardless), I'm going to not give him the benefit of the doubt on wording something poorly. DF knew what he was typing-- a rather poor attempt to joke around and look townie by saying Palmar led "us" to defeat. I also asked DF, not you for your interpretation why aren't you pressing anyone even with some new entrances/some content to buzz around for someone who seems so eager about scumhunting? On December 12 2017 23:53 Conversion wrote:
the way I see Oats is he makes a lot of weird aggressive posts early. it's what he does after that matters more (when I was mafia w/ him he opened the same way, but then starting being more passive)
what's your opinion on Forumite? I don't like the soft questioning he(she?) is doing without giving away reads unless asked I think the chances of Conversion being scum are really quite low. Hmm. Does that mean I am bad? It probably makes one of HF/DF mafia more likely. this is more interesting than my between DF/Koshi read, but idk if mafia!HF would expose himself so much by sheeping onto a town lynch like that. even in my head between DF/Koshi DF is way more likely to flip mafia if I go under the assumption that one person in the "Conv is mafia" case is mafiacan you explain your DF/HF split?
So I somehow became "way more likely" to flip mafia than Koshi without posting anything between the times of these two posts, after saying "df looking better" than Koshi.
That is some really scummy fucking shit. Also the push back off of Conversion and the fact that Conversion never got more than 3 votes is sus as shit
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On December 14 2017 03:08 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok I'm out of time and was just barely able to finish reading the thread.
I really don't like that Palmar just implicitly assumed that none of DF/Koshi/Conversion are scum as a way of justifying a scum read on Forumite in the most round about way possible.
I'm surprised that nobody commented on HF's push on LS and that HF is less phased by being ignored than he has been so far.
I think Palmar is a better lynch than Oatsmaster but I don't think Oatsmaster is a bad lynch either. I'm going to leave my vote on Palmar.
I like this post tbh. It's a good post
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