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On December 14 2017 00:18 Arya321 wrote: I didn't go after chez lmao. That was Kmatt. yeah you're right, that is me getting people confused | ||
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As I was reading the back and forth and trash talking between conversion, hf, koshi etc, I started wondering "right, so some of them may be mafia, but they all care. If I am mafia, I let this happen but still feel the need to post". So I started thinking about people I remember posting, but don't remember if they said anything of value. I 100% admit that the first person I could think of filling the description of my supposed mafia was forumite. So I decided to read his filter, and that is when I said he's 99% mafia. The strong theme in forumite's filter is that he says stuff that mostly is just there to be around. It's not particularly investigative or contentious, but it is there. I'm gonna give a bunch of examples: I already had noticed this post: the reason it's scummy is because he specifically announces it's not his 1st pick. So any illusion of it actually being a pressure vote or whatever else bullshit you can think of is already shattered. It's completely pointless. In fact, he even apologizes for making this vote when I call him out on it. On December 12 2017 19:38 Forumite wrote: I know. I was just about to suggest HF when prplhz picked you and didn't want to divide attention. HF for later, you first. Do you have any thoughts on the setup and current blue/black-tells? Right, you can in theory argue that all this, and every post up to this in his filter is just trolling. The rest of his early filter are mostly random shitty questions with some tiny mechanics or role discussion thrown in. Like while I'm editing this a bit for effect, below is literally everything Forumite contributed to the game early on. On December 12 2017 06:00 Forumite wrote: Noone´s dead yet, planning to survive the first night? On December 12 2017 08:09 Forumite wrote: Hi prplhz. Are you scum or town? On December 12 2017 19:38 Forumite wrote: Do you have any thoughts on the setup and current blue/black-tells? On December 13 2017 07:05 Forumite wrote: Yes, that´s possible, but it doesn´t really give town-points unless Palmar is lynched and they lead the lynch. Why do you say it´s stupid? This is one of your first real posts in this game, and also full of WIFOM and a soft-defend on someone you are voting for. Would you please explain these two? None of this is actually valid scum hunting. None of this seems designed to lead anywhere. There is no follow up, no thread. Just random shitty questions. I kinda remembered this yesterday, so this post here: On December 13 2017 19:19 Forumite wrote: Hi Koshi. Is HF town? What is the case on Conversion? Around page 10 there were a lot of accusations towards him, is there any post in particular that started this? which is just a continuation of the same bullshit really struck me. He continues to sort of mull over the conversion thing which is actually the first thing he kinda follows up on, but again the tone seems super mild and overly diplomatic: Why, for example, does he repeatedly ask people to explain the case on Conversion or says he doesn't follow it. It's super clear (I think I quoted koshi's point about conversion and called it good yesterday). This is just a result of forumite either not reading the thread, or just posting shit so he can talk about stuff while pretending to know nothing about it so it's not suspicious that he's actually not contributing anything to the discussion at hand. He does end up making a call on Conversion's alignment, while still inviting more discussion on it without actually pushing his own alternatives all that much. To summarize, it's the mindset in forumite's posting that makes him mafia: 1) He asks questions with no intention to follow up or investigate the answers. 2) He makes alignment calls with no intention of using that information to move the game in a different direction It's a rather good case. | ||
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On December 14 2017 00:24 LightningStrike wrote: Ya since my Arya account just got flood controlled I just doing 1 post here and hope it clears in about 1 hour or so. Palmar what makes you so certain that Forumite is mafia? Just wrote the case. Reading the summary is enough, but I did decide to throw it all together in a large post for reference. | ||
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On December 14 2017 00:36 Forumite wrote: Would you mind elaborating? It´s not scummy to call me mafia but you´ve been quiet for a while and I just started throwing suspicion on Oats who´s gotten a few votes allready. Are you defending Oats, or are you setting up for an easy lynch on me D2? get out of your shell scum. Why on earth are you excusing me for calling you mafia. I'm fucking great at this, I should not be wrong when I'm convinced. If you're town you surely must consider I'm mafia. | ||
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On December 14 2017 00:34 Conversion wrote: I'm pretty wary of following Palmar's lynch after last game I'd be okay with a Kmatt/Oats lynch today. I forget who my other scum reads were. I think I don't like HF's face but that's not a legit scum read bitch I didn't read that one. I'm reading this one. I actually made a case. | ||
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On December 14 2017 00:49 VisceraEyes wrote: 1) I don't believe he has no intention of following up or investigating answers. For example he's repeatedly sought my opinion on things and I believe it's to do with the fact that I've answered him already so he knows I'll get to him. It's possible others are just ignoring his questions or the questions in question weren't really meant to be answered (a la "do you intend to live tonight?" and "are you mafia?" 2) From where I'm sitting, he's voting for someone he's made an alignment call on. That quite literally moves the game in a different direction. Your case is fucking awful Palmar and it took you a really long time to bullshit through. What are you doing? It's not asking questions that is the problem It's the intent with which they are asked, and the follow up that they generate. I know you like people who think you're smart enough to be asked about shit, but it really is a futile excercise. I don't really know his meta, maybe this is just what he does, but it's completely antiproductive. | ||
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On December 14 2017 00:50 Conversion wrote: your case was pretty spicy. better than last game for sure not sure if I buy it 100% though. you and I agree on the same thing earlier, but have diverging views on the later half. probably because he's telling people to hop off my case and I'm biased because of that but I'm also wary bc he's doing what Oats is doing but less abrasive Actually the only real case I made last game was on darthfoley who was mafia. I just didn't have the balls to follow through. | ||
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On December 14 2017 00:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Anyone who is saying Palmar's case is good needs to answer these points for Palmar if he doesn't. Forumite MIGHT be mafia, but not for the reasons Palmar is saying here, and he's representing it as a good case. If he's mafia, it's 100% because of what I wrote. hell, even him 1) agreeing to wagon me while complaining it's not his 1st choice 2) apologizing for wagoning me this is like 90% mafia stuff right there. | ||
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On December 14 2017 00:53 VisceraEyes wrote: You quite literally stole the DF lynch from me last game to lynch a townie. I was already lynching DF last game and you derailed that lynch. Not my problem my wayward giant dick swung in the wrong direction once. If you had anchored your case properly I couldn't have swung it. | ||
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On December 14 2017 00:55 VisceraEyes wrote: These two things that you wrote in a second are more convincing than anything you wrote in your case, which is why you're fucking suspicious Palmar. You're just trying to make shit up and now you've had time to think of shit. That's literally in my case brother. I know you're getting up there in age but do I need to order some reading glasses on amazon for you? | ||
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On December 14 2017 00:44 Palmar wrote: I already had noticed this post: the reason it's scummy is because he specifically announces it's not his 1st pick. So any illusion of it actually being a pressure vote or whatever else bullshit you can think of is already shattered. It's completely pointless. In fact, he even apologizes for making this vote when I call him out on it. | ||
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On December 14 2017 00:49 VisceraEyes wrote: 1) I don't believe he has no intention of following up or investigating answers. For example he's repeatedly sought my opinion on things and I believe it's to do with the fact that I've answered him already so he knows I'll get to him. It's possible others are just ignoring his questions or the questions in question weren't really meant to be answered (a la "do you intend to live tonight?" and "are you mafia?" 2) From where I'm sitting, he's voting for someone he's made an alignment call on. That quite literally moves the game in a different direction. Your case is fucking awful Palmar and it took you a really long time to bullshit through. What are you doing? Let's explore the bolded statement: He did, in fact, ask you about your scumreads! And weirdly enough you did actually not specifically answer him (that I can find, but I'm doing research live here). I admit you were in the thread at the time, but if he recognized your posts as answers to his direct question, he never responded to any of what you said. He also asked you about koshi recently, which he hasn't followed up on, but it's rather recent so less important. The point is, you just think he's doing more with this stuff than he actually is because you like people giving you respect  I actually directly answered his question. But I just called it stupid, so maybe that's why he doesn't find me helpful. | ||
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On December 14 2017 00:59 Forumite wrote: Not really. You have as good a read on me as everyone else in the thread, that I was slow in the beginning and did a few odd posts early. You are right on calling me out on those, that doesn´t make you scum. Doing a read on me is a null-read the other way around, I´ve gotten a lot of suspicion from townies as town in other games and in reverse I try not to automatically side with those who agree with me. Big question, why do you think Oats is town? Or are you pushing me because I tried to save Conversion? You say that it was a clear case, I´ve read the thread and his filter but I don´t see it. If you want Conversion lynched then give me a case on him first. Going for a chainsaw defence in favor of Oats make you look scummy. No no, you should be calling me either bad or mafia. I guess you are calling me mafia, but then why are you talking about about receiving suspicion from townies? Do you know I'm a townie despite you calling me mafia? What's going on here? | ||
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On December 14 2017 01:05 Holyflare wrote: And last game I was half as busy as I am now! so busy that half your posts are about how busy you are. | ||
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On December 13 2017 00:52 prplhz wrote: I literally don't have a read. Maybe Conversion is town for doing a lot of meta analysis that kind of led nowhere. I loved this read at the time. I think I mentioned thinking prplhz is town yesterday, but if I didn't, he is. It doesn't really say much about conversion (he's still rather nully to me), but both the tone and content of prplhz's post really great. He is my #1 townread I think | ||
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On December 14 2017 01:10 VisceraEyes wrote: Is my point about him trying to lynch me vicariously also just me having an ego? Because I also find that to be really scummy. haven't read hf yet, we don't really have to worry about him right now. I did not get the feeling he was "vicariously" trying to do anything. | ||
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