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On June 15 2017 07:20 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 07:16 Vivax wrote:On June 15 2017 07:14 Holyflare wrote:
Did vivax run away? If you want me to engage with you, you have to post townreads cause I'm not getting pestered by you sticking up for eversince when you don't have a read on me. Like this is quite literally nothing to do with sticking up for eversince and instead is getting a read on you. You state one of your biggest scum reads in the game is eversince because she copies the thread and parrots what I say and basically has no ideas of her own AND treats my rayn read like gospel. When in fact: The one post you quoted is in reference to a question on why people are interested in rayn. She says she doesn't like the read and doesn't agree. She forms her own opinion on koshi based on his response to me. Which was absolutely the best response. My push should be scummy to koshi. She thinks I'm posting and looking for shit fights and rayn is next one. None of those things say anything about parroting the thread, following my rayn read like gospel or being sideline. So why do you say it when she's yoir biggest scum read?
On June 15 2017 07:23 Holyflare wrote:
Your biggest scum read, or at least most mentioned one, is factually false vivax. So, did you get it wrong and misremember or are you maintaining it's still the case that she's doing those things?
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The guy's list of scum reads is forced as fuck and based on points that don't exist in this game.
He's also uncharacteristically not calling me mafia for calling him out.
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On June 15 2017 04:42 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 04:38 Grackaroni wrote:On June 15 2017 04:27 darthfoley wrote:On June 15 2017 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:On June 15 2017 03:57 darthfoley wrote:On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on. On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi Care to elaborate? Oh also ##vote ruxxar Sure. This post: On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too. btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game. You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense. And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. but as fefe pointed out: On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
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Care to elaborate?
Oh also ##vote ruxxar Sure. This post: On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
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btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect. For the second part: People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads. Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read. Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote. who do you think is scum? I'm kinda looking at you tbh. Look at me as much as you like, but why? I'm mostly just looking for someone kinda in the middle blending in. I like your attitude. I think EverSince falls into that category and whats aggravating is that she took what HF said about rayn at face value (which can happen when you skim and just copy other peoples opinions).
Eversince jumped up the scum charts quickly since she claimed to be caught up but I think she copied a lot of the thread instead of getting some own opinion. IE the part where she just repeats what HF said.
On June 15 2017 06:26 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 06:24 Holyflare wrote:
Dunno why everyone hates ever, she's right that it's fucking awful koshi town reads me for a shit fight that in his opinion doesn't make sense. That's my scum meta 101. Yeah why would you hate someone who parrots your misreps of rayn like gospel?
On June 15 2017 06:37 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 03:23 Eversince wrote:On June 15 2017 03:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
I forgot rayn was in this game lol what were the points against him?
He made 1 sentence in 1 post defending Koshi. The issue is he said he didn't think HF/Disform's arguements made Koshi mafia. HF/Disform never claimed that but cased him as 3p. This is the last reply you get from me HF cause you're not being productive. She literally copied what you said about rayn when it's very debatable that it constituted a defense.
1. She "parrots" what I say because someone asked once what the "case" against rayn was.
2. She never agrees, she in fact disagrees.
3. She forms independent reads.
Does this look anything like vivax said?
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Now that you can clearly see it's not what her filter looks like at all then just realise this is Vivax's biggest scum read. He's too clinical this game without the bite and tinfoil of his town game.
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On June 15 2017 15:39 Xatalos wrote:
Could you quote where Vivax says those things HF? Sorry it's hard to filter. I do vaguely remember he said that "gospel" thing though and it doesn't seem to match what ever said.
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On June 15 2017 03:34 Eversince wrote:
@Xata- Why is Rayn a good lynch? Somebody sell me on this. I'm not seeing it at all
First mention of read, doesn't agree with case.
On June 15 2017 03:42 Eversince wrote:Everything I remember reading stems from the mafia/3p banter. Then tunneling onto the fact he's not been here. Show nested quote +On June 14 2017 11:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyways, work time now. See you guys in 16 hours or so! It's just now been 16 hours. I'm going to need a stronger case then "He's not being vocal and leading the town while he's 90% afk! He must be mafia!". That also makes me really question on why people seem to be having such a hard time with point 1. He might just of been skimming to keep somewhat up-to-date. He said he'd explain it and I am worried this will turn into a bickering match instead of that happening.
Questions people's reads.
On June 15 2017 04:41 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 04:21 Koshi wrote:
and you are town. There is no way you keep kicking somebody you know is not mafia. Assuming your town why would this be? Even if you're 3p I'm not sure how you'd come to that conclusion. That is entirely what mafia would do. It's the only option they have. They know who is not mafia so kicking not mafia is their only option to win. Kind of in their win-con. This is causing me to tin foil a lot and I was trying to wait on a response before I mentioned it. HF pushing hard on you, having no real problem with lynching Rayn, pocketing? easy 'town reads' (after reading up I suspect if I had been around last night alls I would needed to do would have been pop in, vote you, chat a bit and got labeled town ez for at least this cycle.) This is all town motivated in your mind? Commence fight/kill off the 3p Koshi, engage bonus shit fight with Rayn, enjoy town chaos from glorious golden throne as city burns. The last half of my scenario hasn't happened yet. But I would be lying if the thought hasn't crossed my mind. But you're an easy target because you do produce weak reads. You haven't got anyone aside from Palmar? as a possible mafia. And you'd rather quit and get lynched than play. I don't think you're mafia. So that would make you martyr town or 3p. One might be good/bad for town. The prior is only ever bad for town. But it's easy to see why you're being pushed.
Calls out koshi's bs read. She doesn't agree with the rayn points, looks like a shit fight is going to happen and I've been shit fighting with koshi. Says that's what is happening and that's my scum meta so why is it that Koshi jumps to me instantly being town? Good post.
She still could be mafia though :D in fact quite likely but the fact vivax is posting this nonsense about her rayn read is so bs. It shows he doesn't care about finding mafia because he simply doesn't know what his own main reads are doing.
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I feel like people aren't acknowledging this vivax bs. It's very clear.
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Disfo why you been ignoring me for ages?
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On June 15 2017 17:39 Koshi wrote:
Keep ignoring him. Towns best pages in this game were when HF wasn't here. Let's build on that.
Keep on keeping on and ignoring blatant contradictions then.
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Yes, right, she's confused why koshi town reads me when all I've done is my mafia meta. About 6 people call her out on that post for absolutely undisclosed reasons and then vivax has tagged her onto his scum list multiple times for falsehoods.
It shows he's not reading the game at all. Have you read his filter? It's almost entirely him jumping in to defend 60% of people's scum reads.
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On June 15 2017 17:53 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 03:26 Vivax wrote:On June 15 2017 03:23 Eversince wrote:On June 15 2017 03:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
I forgot rayn was in this game lol what were the points against him? He made 1 sentence in 1 post defending Koshi. The issue is he said he didn't think HF/Disform's arguements made Koshi mafia. HF/Disform never claimed that but cased him as 3p. Already pointed out as being a misrep by HF. Disagreeing on a read doesn't mean I'm defending said person, it just means I'm not going to vote that person for said reasons. And the mafia/3p thingy is just a bad argument from the get go. Rayn is mafia cause he doesn't put a /3p when he says that the reasons don't make Koshi mafia/3p? Cmon EverSince said rayn made 1 sentence in a post defending Koshi. It's what HF said and something I argued against all this time. Conclusion: She just assumed HFs version of events instead of realizing that like me and rayn said, rayn was disagreeing with a read and not defending anyone. Now HF is basically the only person who is able to make a little thing like this into a giant pile of bloated BS like he's trying to. And Xatalos can be mafia for sucking up to him in a semi concerned tone about it, which is what I was on the lookout for..
No she fucking didn't say that at all. Ff asked what the case was and ever stated what MY case was. Where in this sentence OR ANY OF HER FILTER does she say she agrees with the case?
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On June 15 2017 17:58 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 17:54 disformation wrote:@vivi: oh you werent talking about the rayn thing at all? this is what i meant with: On June 15 2017 17:39 disformation wrote:
the thing that confuses me about vivi on ever is that he doesnt talk straight at/about her, but in this roundabout way to grack. On June 15 2017 17:39 disformation wrote:
as that doesnt make it perfectly clear what exactly he is referring to No the moment she posted in thread I pointed it out that rayn didn't defend anyone. THat's basically the rumour HF has tried to let become a fact in his awful push on rayn. And Eversince didn't read properly or formed an own opinion instead of just copying what HF said about that and that's what I called her scum for.On top of it she didn't even bother replying.
Like this is so bull shit. She never once agrees with me, she does the EXACT OPPOSITE lol.
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It's so unbelievably bull shit. You're on another planet. She disagrees with that read and doesn't even say rayn is mafia once, she just states the case.
And
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While you push she's doing the opposite and hasn't formed her own opinion????
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On June 15 2017 18:02 Vivax wrote:
I never said she agreed with the case (A), I said she copied your opinion that rayn defended Koshi (B).
You are pushing me by misconstruing B into A. Just like you misconstrued rayn disagreeing into a defense of Koshi.
Basically talking to HF/listening to HF = massive waste of time.
If someone asks for what the case is and someone responds stating the details of the case from a player's perspective but then disagrees with that player's perspective and says so multiple times then why is it scummy and why are you pushing it like it's scummy?
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Like ok if she stopped after that post and said absolutely nothing else this entire game then that is scummy. But she didn't, she said she disagreed that him saying koshi isn't mafia makes rayn mafia. She disagreed that rayn is scum for afk. Not once did she say she supported the argumentation that rayn is mafia for defending. It's in fact QUITE the opposite conclusion.
Then she's worried I'm setting up rayn to shit fight when he returns and that's my mafia meta. So she's concerned how koshi can jump to me being town after doing in his eyes my mafia meta.
These are all quality posts. And none of them are the bull shit vivax is spouting.
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Yes it's ok to ignore factually incorrect posts that the person is stil pushing as truth while defending the entirety of the game.
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On June 15 2017 17:58 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 17:54 disformation wrote:@vivi: oh you werent talking about the rayn thing at all? this is what i meant with: On June 15 2017 17:39 disformation wrote:
the thing that confuses me about vivi on ever is that he doesnt talk straight at/about her, but in this roundabout way to grack. On June 15 2017 17:39 disformation wrote:
as that doesnt make it perfectly clear what exactly he is referring to No the moment she posted in thread I pointed it out that rayn didn't defend anyone. THat's basically the rumour HF has tried to let become a fact in his awful push on rayn. And Eversince didn't read properly or formed an own opinion instead of just copying what HF said about that and that's what I called her scum for.On top of it she didn't even bother replying.
On June 15 2017 15:47 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 03:34 Eversince wrote:
@Xata- Why is Rayn a good lynch? Somebody sell me on this. I'm not seeing it at all
First mention of read, doesn't agree with case. Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 03:42 Eversince wrote:Everything I remember reading stems from the mafia/3p banter. Then tunneling onto the fact he's not been here. On June 14 2017 11:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyways, work time now. See you guys in 16 hours or so! It's just now been 16 hours. I'm going to need a stronger case then "He's not being vocal and leading the town while he's 90% afk! He must be mafia!". That also makes me really question on why people seem to be having such a hard time with point 1. He might just of been skimming to keep somewhat up-to-date. He said he'd explain it and I am worried this will turn into a bickering match instead of that happening. Questions people's reads. Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 04:41 Eversince wrote:On June 15 2017 04:21 Koshi wrote:
and you are town. There is no way you keep kicking somebody you know is not mafia. Assuming your town why would this be? Even if you're 3p I'm not sure how you'd come to that conclusion. That is entirely what mafia would do. It's the only option they have. They know who is not mafia so kicking not mafia is their only option to win. Kind of in their win-con. This is causing me to tin foil a lot and I was trying to wait on a response before I mentioned it. HF pushing hard on you, having no real problem with lynching Rayn, pocketing? easy 'town reads' (after reading up I suspect if I had been around last night alls I would needed to do would have been pop in, vote you, chat a bit and got labeled town ez for at least this cycle.) This is all town motivated in your mind? Commence fight/kill off the 3p Koshi, engage bonus shit fight with Rayn, enjoy town chaos from glorious golden throne as city burns. The last half of my scenario hasn't happened yet. But I would be lying if the thought hasn't crossed my mind. But you're an easy target because you do produce weak reads. You haven't got anyone aside from Palmar? as a possible mafia. And you'd rather quit and get lynched than play. I don't think you're mafia. So that would make you martyr town or 3p. One might be good/bad for town. The prior is only ever bad for town. But it's easy to see why you're being pushed. Calls out koshi's bs read. She doesn't agree with the rayn points, looks like a shit fight is going to happen and I've been shit fighting with koshi. Says that's what is happening and that's my scum meta so why is it that Koshi jumps to me instantly being town? Good post. She still could be mafia though :D in fact quite likely but the fact vivax is posting this nonsense about her rayn read is so bs. It shows he doesn't care about finding mafia because he simply doesn't know what his own main reads are doing.
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Has her own opinion.
Disagrees with my case.
Doesn't copy my opinion at all, quite the opposite.
Thinks everything I'm doing is my mafia meta and confronts koshi why he doesn't think so. So using her read of rayn beinf buried under my spam to confront koshi.
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On June 15 2017 18:15 disformation wrote:
yes, but she formed/posted her own opinion on that. before you called her out.
Correct.
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