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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 15 2017 12:18 GMT
#921
I also think somebody replied to what you said.
It isn't easy to read 40 pages and be completely 100% in sync with the thread. I was pretty content with what he did and where he was. He got to keep it up now.
I had a good night of sleep.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22061 Posts
June 15 2017 12:18 GMT
#922
On June 15 2017 21:12 darthfoley wrote:
Hey people. I made multiple posts about Rels being a weirdo McScumScum and all of you ignored it! Don't ignore me!

What do you "town leaders" make of Rels?


He answered to your concern in a convincing way imo.
Overall I think that his list thingy is pretty townie as going chronologically like that obviously is going to cause inconsistencies and it just looks like he slapped down everything he was thinking.

I don't agree with his good/bad heuristic but I don't think it's scummy atm

I think you are pointing out things he knew would be in there but he didn't care cause he wasn't afraid of looking scummy.
Overall I'd even give him a slight townread for that.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22061 Posts
June 15 2017 12:21 GMT
#923
Do you have any opinion on Eversince, darth?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 15 2017 12:30 GMT
#924
I'm really sad marv didn't get to play. If there's one thing I thought pre-game it was "I hope marv is town so I can play with him and he doesn't afk into oblivion" but I guess that isn't the case. Probably what happens when we don't get confirmation pms but whatevs.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22061 Posts
June 15 2017 12:30 GMT
#925
On June 15 2017 09:58 Tumblewood wrote:
##vote raynpelikoneet


This vote is so bad that I'm going to TR the tumble for NEI.

Updated town list:

annul, Koshi ( - points for hipster reads on ES and Ruxx), Damdred, FF, Grack (hedging on this), Vayne (for no other reason that he called eversinces post scummy and it seemed genuine), skynx, btdt ( - points for still being on kosh)
Newcomers:
TW, rayn , Rels.

Koshi I'm not too satisfied with you explaining everything away on ruxx and ES from a town point of view.
And if you want Xatalos we need to start getting finding stuff. I already commented on him just sucking up to HF when he tried to sell him that I was posting scummy things (would spew HF town if Xata is mafia actually).
Won't be at home for most of this afternoon and evening.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22061 Posts
June 15 2017 12:33 GMT
#926
On June 15 2017 18:15 disformation wrote:
yes, but she formed/posted her own opinion on that. before you called her out.


This was wrong btw and I'm possibly going to fry disformation for it at some point

If HF is town here it's kind of funny cause he's feeding mafias false info and they believe it without fact checking.

That would speak for Xata, disfo mafia.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 15 2017 12:39 GMT
#927
I never said it was before though
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 15 2017 12:39 GMT
#928
ruxx I think is town. Eversince I just think is more of a gamble 50/50.
I had a good night of sleep.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 15 2017 12:40 GMT
#929
I'll do some reading and actually look at other people in this game later. Didn't pay attention to anyone yet.
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 15 2017 12:48 GMT
#930
Initial impressions:

Grack feels a little wierd. Him defending ruxxar I couldn't understand.
On June 15 2017 06:00 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 05:39 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 05:19 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 15 2017 05:14 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. I also don't see why Ruxxar is mafia. More likely lynchbait.

It's not because somebody types things you think are weird/disagree with that he is mafia. You have to look at motive and the intention to solve the game within a person his capabilities.

^
This.

Now people are killing him because he said his top town read was Sicklucker.

Who is voting him for that reason?

That was the impression I got.

The closest I could find was you pressuring him over the read and other people calling him out for too easily believing SL's cop claim.

Looking over, the main reason people are scum reading him is over saying that he liked Disfo's post, which was kind of a strange post to like because it had no content.

But I don't think this is a bad response at all for the post that he made:

Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 22:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 14 2017 16:32 Skynx wrote:
On June 14 2017 15:57 ruXxar wrote:
On June 14 2017 15:38 disformation wrote:
good morning everyone!

omw to work yada yada etc.

agreeing with ruxxar that green colour is best colour.
dont understand why xata is voting rayn.
hf had first post so hes basically conf. town.
might sheep onto hoshi later.
df's "wooohooo" post sounded a bit fake, i conclude he still had a bad mood.

hrre is hoping for a slow day at work.


Strong first post. I like

You like this post? Can you elaborate why or you just felt like posting?

Cuz he agrees that green is good, good shit there.
First post conf town, goos shit there.
Xata and HF both voted in same pattern but he sheeps one but doesn't understand the other??
Comment on DF is fine but he can easily back down from anything that soft so it doesn't really matter.

Very good post here.


It's not the content as much as the tone and structure.
Lighthearted tone with not too much polish/concern.

I'd give that a slight town read.


I don't think he's mafia. He has a confidence to his posts that I like.


I don't think there is a world where Grack misses + Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2017 23:32 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 23:25 ruXxar wrote:
On June 14 2017 23:06 Vivax wrote:
I'm pretty happy with df, btdt, skynx, annul as townreads for the time being.

Damdred kind of going for the hands off approach leaves him at null, I think his latest post would be easy to make as either alignment.

@ Ruxxar

On June 14 2017 22:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 14 2017 16:32 Skynx wrote:
On June 14 2017 15:57 ruXxar wrote:
On June 14 2017 15:38 disformation wrote:
good morning everyone!

omw to work yada yada etc.

agreeing with ruxxar that green colour is best colour.
dont understand why xata is voting rayn.
hf had first post so hes basically conf. town.
might sheep onto hoshi later.
df's "wooohooo" post sounded a bit fake, i conclude he still had a bad mood.

hrre is hoping for a slow day at work.


Strong first post. I like

You like this post? Can you elaborate why or you just felt like posting?

Cuz he agrees that green is good, good shit there.
First post conf town, goos shit there.
Xata and HF both voted in same pattern but he sheeps one but doesn't understand the other??
Comment on DF is fine but he can easily back down from anything that soft so it doesn't really matter.

Very good post here.


It's not the content as much as the tone and structure.
Lighthearted tone with not too much polish/concern.

I'd give that a slight town read.


Do you think that disfo is the only one who fell into that category by that point? I think there's a lot of people you could have applied that to.


Not the only one, but his post had more content so it was easier to analyze.

He either tried really hard to appear town, or he's town.


Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 22:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 14 2017 16:32 Skynx wrote:
On June 14 2017 15:57 ruXxar wrote:
On June 14 2017 15:38 disformation wrote:
good morning everyone!

omw to work yada yada etc.

agreeing with ruxxar that green colour is best colour.
dont understand why xata is voting rayn.
hf had first post so hes basically conf. town.
might sheep onto hoshi later.
df's "wooohooo" post sounded a bit fake, i conclude he still had a bad mood.

hrre is hoping for a slow day at work.


Strong first post. I like

You like this post? Can you elaborate why or you just felt like posting?

Cuz he agrees that green is good, good shit there.
First post conf town, goos shit there.
Xata and HF both voted in same pattern but he sheeps one but doesn't understand the other??
Comment on DF is fine but he can easily back down from anything that soft so it doesn't really matter.

Very good post here.


It's not the content as much as the tone and structure.
Lighthearted tone with not too much polish/concern.

I'd give that a slight town read.


Someone tell me this is just a minor inconsistency?

if he has read ruxxars response to me.
Now lets consider a case where Grack is scumhunting:
If Ruxxar is mafia, he probably panicked when I called him out and Vivi caught his inconsistency. He needs buddies defending him with soft stuff like this (Koshi & Grack)
If Ruxxar is town, he has few votes on him for a legit point, other accusations based on tr on sl now look very bad. Practically mafia just hopping on the vagon. If grack is picking up on this, wouldn't the logical thing to do is call them out aswell? (I don't even know who are you talking about btw, fefe?)

Actually looking he's probably just not trying at this point, just replying to Fefe. But a lazy way to defend Ruxxar noted.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 15 2017 12:49 GMT
#931
On June 15 2017 03:44 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 03:35 darthfoley wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:27 Xatalos wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:15 darthfoley wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:01 Xatalos wrote:
DF: I wasn't the only one who missed Skynx's main point initially. After he explained further, I actually agreed that it looked worse for ruxxar than disfo. So what's the issue?

And I wouldn't really call my filter "filler".


Well I would, which is why I did. My point is that mafia are often looking to misconstrue people's posts and throwing around suspicion.

@ Vivax. It's not that he didn't have reads, it's that he seemed to be ignoring the major event in the thread at the time. It's fine to be not super committed to early D1 reads, but I felt like the "I have no idea what to make of this" was a cop out to people's legit questions about it.


Well, it's just an inaccurate description... Maybe I have some not-so-important posts, but certainly not only those..

Besides, I just don't see what's bad about the Skynx events. Skynx's points on disfo caught my attention more than his underlying point to bring attention to ruxxar, that's all. He was later forced to elaborate and only then did it become clear that ruxxar was where his main focus was (I guess it was possible to notice by reading his original post more carefully, but I digress).


I'm more interested in hearing what you make of the game and its players at this point, now that you've caught up.


Fair enough. At this point I mainly dislike ruxxar and rayn - mixed on Koshi. I've already talked about rayn/Koshi so here's some points about ruxxar:

1) Like Skynx pointed out very early on, ruxxar called disfo's opening post a strong post... when it was really null at best. ruxxar later tried to explain it away by saying that it was just a tone read, unrelated to the content, but really? All I got from the tone of disfo's opening post was non-committing/vague, not decisive/relaxed/insightful or things a townie tone should be. Maybe the format wasn't overly polished, but so what? And is it a strong post if it's just bad/unpolished? Felt to me like ruxxar was staying stuff he didn't actually mean and then tried to somehow salvage the situation.

2) This post...

Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 22:28 ruXxar wrote:
On June 14 2017 18:21 sicklucker wrote:
alright boys im hard claiming cop with a red check on eversince.


This makes it real simple.
Lynch eversince.
If green, lynch sicklucker.

Guaranteed 1 scum down.


...is probably the least town-motivated post I saw so far. Not only is that "plan" bad, but it has a thought process of happily lynching people with little to no reason. Again, not aligning comfortably with a town mindset of making the most out of our lynches, but rather just using them up on someone (like scum would).

3)

Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi


Really....? Now that Koshi has a huge wagon he just sheeps it with no reason whatsoever?


- - -


All in all, I'll be switching my vote to ruxxar.

1) is a mistake/thought a townie can make/have. I don't see the mafia motivation anyway.
2) why would a guy that has survived 12 lynches in a row make that comment? I also don't know why a guy who plays tryhard town would make that comment. But I think town makes more often yolo comments than mafia.
3) Again. Yolo town or calculated mafia? I think town.

If he is mafia, he hasn't shown any mafia agenda. Just lacklusterness. Maybe he is a bit demotivated he rolled mafia and is now swinging it. That is possible. But I can make such a story from town perspective as well. Maybe he is blue and trying to stay in the shadows? Who knows?

And I think his posting is open, I don't see an agenda. So I go with town.
I had a good night of sleep.
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 15 2017 12:49 GMT
#932
I like Eversince, he seems interested in the game and got engaged pretty quick on his arrival.

Rels posted reads which is nice.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 15 2017 12:59 GMT
#933
Palmar still lurking, Damdred and Vivi town for obv reasons.

On June 15 2017 07:19 Palmar wrote:
I could possibly kill sicklucker. The upside is large as nothing he has said looks townie. The "I'm just trying to trigger ppls lulz" post is kinda bad actually. The downside is small as he's anti-town no matter his alignment late game because he's just not very good at this game.

Going after the low hanging fruit is not his usual trend tho. I can prolly just stay on Palmar.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 15 2017 13:00 GMT
#934
On June 15 2017 21:59 Skynx wrote:
Palmar still lurking, [he reads] Damdred and Vivi town for obv reasons.

Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 07:19 Palmar wrote:
I could possibly kill sicklucker. The upside is large as nothing he has said looks townie. The "I'm just trying to trigger ppls lulz" post is kinda bad actually. The downside is small as he's anti-town no matter his alignment late game because he's just not very good at this game.

Going after the low hanging fruit is not his usual trend tho. I can prolly just stay on Palmar.

EBWOP. I agree on those reads, they are fairly out there as townies.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 15 2017 13:01 GMT
#935
On June 15 2017 16:29 disformation wrote:
good morning everyone.
@rayn:
lemme explain the palmar thing:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 18:44 disformation wrote:
On June 14 2017 18:29 Palmar wrote:
On June 14 2017 18:27 Xatalos wrote:
On June 14 2017 18:09 Holyflare wrote:
On June 14 2017 17:49 Koshi wrote:
Bwaaaaaaaaa. Almost always I make a "first confirmed town post + I add my gameplan"


Yeh so now you didn't make one and no game plan.

3P doesn't have a game plan because they dunno who to side with yet. Aka you are 3p. Aka lynch koshbagmcgoo.


Best case 2017 :D

I believe in this case.

y u no vote koshi then? or try to convince ppl to vote koshi?

Palmar never answers the question.
Koshis vote reminded me of that.

hear hear
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 15 2017 13:05 GMT
#936
I prolly forgot to mention it earlier but disfo is top town until end of this game, you should slow down otherwise you're dead tonight bro.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 15 2017 13:06 GMT
#937
Top town disfo. Not too many think that.
I had a good night of sleep.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 15 2017 13:09 GMT
#938
On June 15 2017 21:21 Vivax wrote:
Do you have any opinion on Eversince, darth?


Your argument with HF has gone over my head and it's been clogging up the thread so my only read comes from a quick read of her(?) filter.

All the filter is is early defending of rayn against a wagon on him, then moderating HF v. Koshi. I have no idea what Eversince believes of the other 19 players in the game. She feels super disconnected from the thread.

She's on the scummier side, but also perfect example of potential lynch bait. I'm still more comfortable with other people D1 lynch because her filter doesn't feel like she's pushing any sort of agenda tbh
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 15 2017 13:10 GMT
#939
Also to build off what Skynx/disfo said, why is everyone letting Palmar actively not play the game without putting any pressure on him?
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 15 2017 13:11 GMT
#940
On June 15 2017 21:30 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 09:58 Tumblewood wrote:
##vote raynpelikoneet


This vote is so bad that I'm going to TR the tumble for NEI.

Updated town list:

annul, Koshi ( - points for hipster reads on ES and Ruxx), Damdred, FF, Grack (hedging on this), Vayne (for no other reason that he called eversinces post scummy and it seemed genuine), skynx, btdt ( - points for still being on kosh)
Newcomers:
TW, rayn , Rels.

Koshi I'm not too satisfied with you explaining everything away on ruxx and ES from a town point of view.
And if you want Xatalos we need to start getting finding stuff. I already commented on him just sucking up to HF when he tried to sell him that I was posting scummy things (would spew HF town if Xata is mafia actually).
Won't be at home for most of this afternoon and evening.


Why are you TRing btdt but not me when we basically have the same reads?
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