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On June 15 2017 18:02 Vivax wrote:
I never said she agreed with the case (A), I said she copied your opinion that rayn defended Koshi (B).
You are pushing me by misconstruing B into A. Just like you misconstrued rayn disagreeing into a defense of Koshi.
Basically talking to HF/listening to HF = massive waste of time.
If someone asks for what the case is and someone responds stating the details of the case from a player's perspective but then disagrees with that player's perspective and says so multiple times then why is it scummy and why are you pushing it like it's scummy?
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Like ok if she stopped after that post and said absolutely nothing else this entire game then that is scummy. But she didn't, she said she disagreed that him saying koshi isn't mafia makes rayn mafia. She disagreed that rayn is scum for afk. Not once did she say she supported the argumentation that rayn is mafia for defending. It's in fact QUITE the opposite conclusion.
Then she's worried I'm setting up rayn to shit fight when he returns and that's my mafia meta. So she's concerned how koshi can jump to me being town after doing in his eyes my mafia meta.
These are all quality posts. And none of them are the bull shit vivax is spouting.
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Vivax, it is ok if you completely ignore HF.
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Yes it's ok to ignore factually incorrect posts that the person is stil pushing as truth while defending the entirety of the game.
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On June 15 2017 18:05 disformation wrote:
oh wait hf is right later on she states that she is a bit worried about the whole thing
That doesn't change anything cause my point is that she probs just skimmed the thread half-heartedly.
It's only HF trying to force the point of view that this is about the case on rayn when really I was pointing out that she didn't form her own opinion on the rayn-koshi-defense thingy as being scummy.
That is what she recited as gospel. That rayn defended Koshi. Nothing else that HF wants to make everyone believe.
Basically he took this post.
On June 15 2017 04:42 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 04:38 Grackaroni wrote:On June 15 2017 04:27 darthfoley wrote:On June 15 2017 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:On June 15 2017 03:57 darthfoley wrote:On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on. On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi Care to elaborate? Oh also ##vote ruxxar Sure. This post: On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too. btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game. You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense. And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. but as fefe pointed out: On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
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Care to elaborate?
Oh also ##vote ruxxar Sure. This post: On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
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btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect. For the second part: People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads. Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read. Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote. who do you think is scum? I'm kinda looking at you tbh. Look at me as much as you like, but why? I'm mostly just looking for someone kinda in the middle blending in. I like your attitude. I think EverSince falls into that category and whats aggravating is that she took what HF said about rayn at face value (which can happen when you skim and just copy other peoples opinions).
Removed the context and claimed that this was about his case on rayn and not about that thing.
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yes, but she formed/posted her own opinion on that. before you called her out.
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On June 15 2017 17:58 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 17:54 disformation wrote:@vivi: oh you werent talking about the rayn thing at all? this is what i meant with: On June 15 2017 17:39 disformation wrote:
the thing that confuses me about vivi on ever is that he doesnt talk straight at/about her, but in this roundabout way to grack. On June 15 2017 17:39 disformation wrote:
as that doesnt make it perfectly clear what exactly he is referring to No the moment she posted in thread I pointed it out that rayn didn't defend anyone. THat's basically the rumour HF has tried to let become a fact in his awful push on rayn. And Eversince didn't read properly or formed an own opinion instead of just copying what HF said about that and that's what I called her scum for.On top of it she didn't even bother replying.
On June 15 2017 15:47 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 03:34 Eversince wrote:
@Xata- Why is Rayn a good lynch? Somebody sell me on this. I'm not seeing it at all
First mention of read, doesn't agree with case. Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 03:42 Eversince wrote:Everything I remember reading stems from the mafia/3p banter. Then tunneling onto the fact he's not been here. On June 14 2017 11:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyways, work time now. See you guys in 16 hours or so! It's just now been 16 hours. I'm going to need a stronger case then "He's not being vocal and leading the town while he's 90% afk! He must be mafia!". That also makes me really question on why people seem to be having such a hard time with point 1. He might just of been skimming to keep somewhat up-to-date. He said he'd explain it and I am worried this will turn into a bickering match instead of that happening. Questions people's reads. Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 04:41 Eversince wrote:On June 15 2017 04:21 Koshi wrote:
and you are town. There is no way you keep kicking somebody you know is not mafia. Assuming your town why would this be? Even if you're 3p I'm not sure how you'd come to that conclusion. That is entirely what mafia would do. It's the only option they have. They know who is not mafia so kicking not mafia is their only option to win. Kind of in their win-con. This is causing me to tin foil a lot and I was trying to wait on a response before I mentioned it. HF pushing hard on you, having no real problem with lynching Rayn, pocketing? easy 'town reads' (after reading up I suspect if I had been around last night alls I would needed to do would have been pop in, vote you, chat a bit and got labeled town ez for at least this cycle.) This is all town motivated in your mind? Commence fight/kill off the 3p Koshi, engage bonus shit fight with Rayn, enjoy town chaos from glorious golden throne as city burns. The last half of my scenario hasn't happened yet. But I would be lying if the thought hasn't crossed my mind. But you're an easy target because you do produce weak reads. You haven't got anyone aside from Palmar? as a possible mafia. And you'd rather quit and get lynched than play. I don't think you're mafia. So that would make you martyr town or 3p. One might be good/bad for town. The prior is only ever bad for town. But it's easy to see why you're being pushed. Calls out koshi's bs read. She doesn't agree with the rayn points, looks like a shit fight is going to happen and I've been shit fighting with koshi. Says that's what is happening and that's my scum meta so why is it that Koshi jumps to me instantly being town? Good post. She still could be mafia though :D in fact quite likely but the fact vivax is posting this nonsense about her rayn read is so bs. It shows he doesn't care about finding mafia because he simply doesn't know what his own main reads are doing.
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Has her own opinion.
Disagrees with my case.
Doesn't copy my opinion at all, quite the opposite.
Thinks everything I'm doing is my mafia meta and confronts koshi why he doesn't think so. So using her read of rayn beinf buried under my spam to confront koshi.
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On June 15 2017 18:15 disformation wrote:
yes, but she formed/posted her own opinion on that. before you called her out.
Correct.
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Vivax this would go a lot more smoothly if for once you just admit you're wrong and move on with another read. I don't mind if you call her mafia for something else, I can see it. The way you're pushing her now is scummy as fuck though so admit you're wrong and let's see what happens?
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Just a "sorry I totally misread the context, you're right Holyflare!" please
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while we are at it: hf what are you current thoughts on koshi?
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On June 15 2017 18:15 disformation wrote:
yes, but she formed/posted her own opinion on that. before you called her out.
Ummm no?
On June 13 2017 07:55 Eversince wrote:
/in
Times killed my last attempt at playing. Round 2 time!
On June 15 2017 03:23 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 03:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
I forgot rayn was in this game lol what were the points against him? He made 1 sentence in 1 post defending Koshi. The issue is he said he didn't think HF/Disform's arguements made Koshi mafia. HF/Disform never claimed that but cased him as 3p.
^ post I replied to
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On June 15 2017 18:08 Holyflare wrote:
Like ok if she stopped after that post and said absolutely nothing else this entire game then that is scummy. But she didn't, she said she disagreed that him saying koshi isn't mafia makes rayn mafia. She disagreed that rayn is scum for afk. Not once did she say she supported the argumentation that rayn is mafia for defending. It's in fact QUITE the opposite conclusion.
Then she's worried I'm setting up rayn to shit fight when he returns and that's my mafia meta. So she's concerned how koshi can jump to me being town after doing in his eyes my mafia meta.
These are all quality posts. And none of them are the bull shit vivax is spouting.
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On June 15 2017 18:24 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 18:15 disformation wrote:
yes, but she formed/posted her own opinion on that. before you called her out. Ummm no? Show nested quote +On June 13 2017 07:55 Eversince wrote:
/in
Times killed my last attempt at playing. Round 2 time! Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 03:23 Eversince wrote:On June 15 2017 03:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
I forgot rayn was in this game lol what were the points against him? He made 1 sentence in 1 post defending Koshi. The issue is he said he didn't think HF/Disform's arguements made Koshi mafia. HF/Disform never claimed that but cased him as 3p. ^ post I replied to
oh wait. i think i missed that post from you:
On June 15 2017 03:26 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 03:23 Eversince wrote:On June 15 2017 03:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
I forgot rayn was in this game lol what were the points against him? He made 1 sentence in 1 post defending Koshi. The issue is he said he didn't think HF/Disform's arguements made Koshi mafia. HF/Disform never claimed that but cased him as 3p. Already pointed out as being a misrep by HF. Disagreeing on a read doesn't mean I'm defending said person, it just means I'm not going to vote that person for said reasons. And the mafia/3p thingy is just a bad argument from the get go. Rayn is mafia cause he doesn't put a /3p when he says that the reasons don't make Koshi mafia/3p? Cmon
her own opinion on that came later in:
On June 15 2017 04:41 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 04:21 Koshi wrote:
and you are town. There is no way you keep kicking somebody you know is not mafia. Assuming your town why would this be? Even if you're 3p I'm not sure how you'd come to that conclusion. That is entirely what mafia would do. It's the only option they have. They know who is not mafia so kicking not mafia is their only option to win. Kind of in their win-con. This is causing me to tin foil a lot and I was trying to wait on a response before I mentioned it. HF pushing hard on you, having no real problem with lynching Rayn, pocketing? easy 'town reads' (after reading up I suspect if I had been around last night alls I would needed to do would have been pop in, vote you, chat a bit and got labeled town ez for at least this cycle.) This is all town motivated in your mind? Commence fight/kill off the 3p Koshi, engage bonus shit fight with Rayn, enjoy town chaos from glorious golden throne as city burns. The last half of my scenario hasn't happened yet. But I would be lying if the thought hasn't crossed my mind. But you're an easy target because you do produce weak reads. You haven't got anyone aside from Palmar? as a possible mafia. And you'd rather quit and get lynched than play. I don't think you're mafia. So that would make you martyr town or 3p. One might be good/bad for town. The prior is only ever bad for town. But it's easy to see why you're being pushed.
uh. that makes it actually harder to tell if she formed that opinion on her own, or if she kinda was forced to by ppl talking about it etc...
hmm...
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On June 15 2017 03:34 Eversince wrote:
@Xata- Why is Rayn a good lynch? Somebody sell me on this. I'm not seeing it at all
Like this is literally 10 minutes after your post
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ffs.
i feel like i am too stupid to filter two ppl at once without missing everything
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So, yes, I can see her being mafia adapting her reads and forming with sentiment from vivax etc but to state she has no opinion when all she did was answer an FF query with what he asked for is bad. I'd say all her posts after that go quite against sentiment actually calling out rayn bs case.
But she could still be mafia for all of that.
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This is what you're effectively doing vivax:
The world of the orange sky.
1. I say the sky is blue and make a case why.
2. Fecalfeast ask what the case on the sky colour is that everyone is sheeping.
3. Eversince states my case that the sky is blue.
4. You enter thread and say, wait, but the sky is orange!
5. Eversince says she can't see why the sky is blue and here are the reasons.
6. You say she copied my opinion that the sky is blue when in fact she thinks it's quite green.
That easier?
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