EPT[N] TL Mafia LXXV - Page 343
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
or you know just notice the night kills mean stacked scumteam and start swinging for the fences  | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On July 06 2017 20:42 Holyflare wrote: In hindsight rayn is a pretty easy catch when he was hard defending sl (when nobody else was) but then kept asking what the case was. Don't think town rayn wouldn't know what it was ever. idk, might be , might not. I genuinely went to read what was said about him and didnt understand it. The only thing i understood was Rels' "he did townie things on D1" and i was like "umm what??".... I also genuinely do not pay attention to players i townread (early on) in big games. I mean, i try to develop townreads and then if it looks like those townreads are not helping me, or i feel so, i just ignore them and focus on other stuff. Although you are most likely right i prolly would have payed a bit more attention to the sicklucker case. I also dont play against dead players, i thought i could get away with what i did with the living players.  There were probably many things that could have caught me, my unwillingness to read BH filter properly on the day Rels was lynched was definitely one. I was just 99% certain i don't 99% have to do it adn the game ends OR people are even scumreading FF over BH so i just rolled with it as i think IF i had done even semi-proper analysis on BH it would have hurt us more than not doing it.  | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On July 06 2017 20:35 ruXxar wrote: Also I have a surefire way to tell if Rayn is town or mafia now. You probably don't. Because noone has, except for marv. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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justanothertownie
16326 Posts
On July 06 2017 20:42 Holyflare wrote: In hindsight rayn is a pretty easy catch when he was hard defending sl (when nobody else was) but then kept asking what the case was. Don't think town rayn wouldn't know what it was ever. Yes, I had him dead to rights with this. Shouldn't have read his damn filter later on. | ||
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justanothertownie
16326 Posts
On July 06 2017 21:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh i now see why you thought so Holyflare. I didn't actually read what sicklucker did, i read what Rels said about him and what you said in obs QT was not what he said. Exactly. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Probably would as mafia, definitely would as town, if it was what Holyflare said in obs. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On July 06 2017 20:55 rsoultin wrote: -rolls through the thread- or you know just notice the night kills mean stacked scumteam and start swinging for the fences mhhh. the nk's def. pointed to a "vet vet", but imo impossible to tell which ones of like bh, palmar, rayn would be that. i guess there should have been more paranoia after palmar flipped town. nk's were also not really giving me a feeling of "why are you still alive" on rayn. esp. after rayn had a fairly bleh start into the game. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Basically, after i saw Xatalos (who was supposed to be our endgame dude originally) is fucked i just shot people i couldn't lynch and/or who are good and can figure me out and win 1v1 argument, except for Palmar because he was not active enough to have credit. Although in case Palmar was not lynched the day he was i would have had to shoot him the next night. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
i also think i learned a lot this game. a) dont read bh on being funny b) dont rely on vca if scumteamsize + 2 or even more ppl arent on a wagon c) i try to do too many different things at once d) i need to follow up more on things i point out d) meaning that i point out a fair bit of decent stuff, but dont follow up on them. often i post stuff like "this interaction is weird, but i am not sure if town or scum", but instead of asking the players and/or trying to get more opinions on that, i simply move on look for the next thing to point out. i think rayn got a lot of town cred from me cause he was one of the few ppl to actually comment on a bunch of things i pointed out. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
and because of what you just said, your "problem" with your play is that you try to do so much stuff you never get anything done. I never felt like you were a threat regardless of what your reads were since you werent really pushing anything, you were just pointing out stuff. ^^Also lol at your "wow i almost made mafia strongman me". You are forgetting that was the dude who also wanted to strongman darthfoley after we had checked him as VT..... When you softed vet i was sure you are NOT a vet, anything else but NOT a vet. ^_^ | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
See for example how i talked with Rels the last day. I was never ever trying to do anything. I knew he is gonna get lynched if i just stall and stall and stall and make him talk about nothing relevant because i know he can't resist the "let's argue" argument.. If that was not LYLO i would never ever even do that as mafia because any smart person realizes at least 1 irl day after that all i was doing was making the game unplayable for him (well partly also his fault but still -- when he flips town you see that if youre smart and know what you're doing).Same applied to you all game basically. Whenever you had one or two good things to talk about you also gave me like 10 other things i could pick up on and get your attention there instead of the good stuff. That's way harder if you are focusing on just a couple of things at a time, EVEN if you are wrong on the things you are focusing on. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On July 06 2017 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: tbh i wanted to keep you alive because i knew you would townread me for actually interacting with you. and because of what you just said, your "problem" with your play is that you try to do so much stuff you never get anything done. I never felt like you were a threat regardless of what your reads were since you werent really pushing anything, you were just pointing out stuff. ^^Also lol at your "wow i almost made mafia strongman me". You are forgetting that was the dude who also wanted to strongman darthfoley after we had checked him as VT..... When you softed vet i was sure you are NOT a vet, anything else but NOT a vet. ^_^ fair enough. much room too improve etc. at least i managed to get btdt. xD also was my first time softing anything to eat scum actions. think i overdid it a bit. but yeah just wanted to throw it out in the hopes to eat any random action you guys could maybe throw at me. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On July 06 2017 20:55 rsoultin wrote: -rolls through the thread- or you know just notice the night kills mean stacked scumteam and start swinging for the fences Hi rsoul! Come play some mafia. I had so much fun when we rolled mafia together and we had the biggest shitfight :D. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On July 06 2017 22:21 disformation wrote: fair enough. much room too improve etc. at least i managed to get btdt. xD also was my first time softing anything to eat scum actions. think i overdid it a bit. but yeah just wanted to throw it out in the hopes to eat any random action you guys could maybe throw at me. Just do it all the time so that if you are blue they won't care anymore | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
Like, you were nitpicking about ES and BH was nitpicking about scumslip. In hindsight I think it kinda stuck out as something I would tone down a bit since a more experienced player might've caught you guys for that. I called you out for it, but unfortunately I was preoccupied with my own view of rels. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Btw when i made my original case on Rels, on D3 or so, i am like 90% sure i would have amde the exact same case as town. I possibly would have later on reconsider the read, but the original read was something i think i would have made as town aswell since all the stuff Rels did i talked about made absolutely zero sense to me. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On July 06 2017 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: There was never anything that connected me to BH regarding him attacking Rels. BH sheeped me so i could have not done anything about it if i was town. His actions do not make mine scummy in itself. Also if i was town why would i care if he sheeps me on my top scumread? Btw when i made my original case on Rels, on D3 or so, i am like 90% sure i would have amde the exact same case as town. I possibly would have later on reconsider the read, but the original read was something i think i would have made as town aswell since all the stuff Rels did i talked about made absolutely zero sense to me. I agree that it makes BH look scummier than you. I just couldn't get myself to agree with the case you made on Rayn. I pretty much skipped every post you made on the topic until I finally forced myself to understand what you actually meant with ES. After understanding it, the argument itself didn't increase his scum factor in my eyes. More the fact that you wanted to lynch rels and I thought you were town.(bad play by me) Same goes for BH argument. I thought it was pretty bullshit and shitting up the thread. Mission accomplished I guess :p I'll follow up more on these kinda things in the future, could be a pretty good scum tell. | ||
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