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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22011 Posts
June 14 2017 14:59 GMT
#487
I don't see the minus points on skynx, Koshi. Why do you think that his start was weak?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22011 Posts
June 14 2017 15:33 GMT
#517
For annuls point on Koshi you need to put the question in the room:

Can you still think that an argument is good without arriving to the same conclusion?

Yes -> It's a null point.
No -> Koshi is mafia.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22011 Posts
June 14 2017 15:40 GMT
#519
I think Koshi's latest post streak speaks more for town Koshi than scum Koshi. I see the town spark in his game now.

##Unvote

Let's see if others arrive to the same conclusion on their own or want me to explain why I did.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22011 Posts
June 14 2017 16:26 GMT
#526
I'm going to retract on that Koshi read btw, I'm torn.

Might put my vote on him again later.

On June 15 2017 00:00 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 23:58 annul wrote:
On June 14 2017 23:54 Koshi wrote:
The fact you are milking a read that basically is "the guy is too chill about doing nothing so probably town" doesn't make you look good annul. Unless for people like Vivax apparently who have meta.

I like the read Vivax makes because it makes Vivax look townie. It doesn't do shit for you.


lol and the OMGUS comes quick

nha that is not omgus. For that you need to vote me, and then I need to vote you.
My view on you has not changed from when I wrote my listpost, so your little remark did nothing, so where is the omgus?

Dnu what you are doing. But the town hero hype cooled down.


On June 15 2017 00:03 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 23:59 Vivax wrote:
I don't see the minus points on skynx, Koshi. Why do you think that his start was weak?

Entering the thread with a pretty ridiculous harsh reply on the disformation list. I didn't like it. Can't forget it.


These two posts felt townie but otherwise...ehhh.

Damdred is town because his list post is very close to what I could think. Just like his read on me it comes from town and not mafia.


I have to disagree on this. At that point in time, I think his list post was very easy to make as mafia and couldn't really be a reason to TR him. His followup engaging with the thread looked better. This just looks like you picked a high content post to justify a lazy TR. But this read stems from me disagreeing with that list post being indicative on anything. So not feeling this makes you 100% mafia. Don't like the read however.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22011 Posts
June 14 2017 16:47 GMT
#531
On June 15 2017 00:03 darthfoley wrote:
I don't like the annul town reads.

I think his A-B comparison thing is scummy.


Can you explain why admitting to having no reads makes someone mafia?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22011 Posts
June 14 2017 17:31 GMT
#550
They both look fairly scummy atm, but Koshi is way more posty while it's really hard to fish something out of Ruxxar. I get the feeling he's in the thread all the time but holds back from posting more on purpose.

That said, I'd switch to Ruxxar with enough followers. But right now the Koshi wagon is big and big wagons are what we need.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22011 Posts
June 14 2017 17:55 GMT
#565
On June 15 2017 02:54 disformation wrote:
ah and directly after that he just jumps on palmar cause why not.
so i had a bit of the impression he was desperate for a scumread or something


I had that feeling when he posted the caselet on btdt
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22011 Posts
June 14 2017 18:02 GMT
#570
On June 15 2017 02:58 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 02:31 Vivax wrote:
They both look fairly scummy atm, but Koshi is way more posty while it's really hard to fish something out of Ruxxar. I get the feeling he's in the thread all the time but holds back from posting more on purpose.

That said, I'd switch to Ruxxar with enough followers. But right now the Koshi wagon is big and big wagons are what we need.


Why do you need more people to join a wagon before you commit? There's plenty of time left in today. If you want a ruxxar wagon, make it happen. This looks like useless hedging


Cause five wagons with 2 people each isn't a threat to anyone.

Day 1 is forging a club of townies to smack people with who think they can get away with anything.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22011 Posts
June 14 2017 18:04 GMT
#572
There's still a question open for you df.

Why is someone mafia for admitting to having no reads?

You call annul mafia for cop out from giving reads, so you're requesting someone to give you some forced reads in the case that he doesn't have any?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22011 Posts
June 14 2017 18:21 GMT
#583
The wagon on Koshi isn't huge yet, for all we know:

Palmar, Rels, Damdred, Tumblewood, VayneAuthority, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosity, Grackaroni, Eversince

There can be plenty of mafia and whatnot in the nonvoters.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22011 Posts
June 14 2017 18:26 GMT
#589
On June 15 2017 03:23 Eversince wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 03:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
I forgot rayn was in this game lol what were the points against him?



He made 1 sentence in 1 post defending Koshi. The issue is he said he didn't think HF/Disform's arguements made Koshi mafia. HF/Disform never claimed that but cased him as 3p.


Already pointed out as being a misrep by HF. Disagreeing on a read doesn't mean I'm defending said person, it just means I'm not going to vote that person for said reasons.

And the mafia/3p thingy is just a bad argument from the get go. Rayn is mafia cause he doesn't put a /3p when he says that the reasons don't make Koshi mafia/3p? Cmon
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22011 Posts
June 14 2017 18:27 GMT
#594
On June 15 2017 03:25 Grackaroni wrote:
The strangest thing in thread is the amount of people agreeing with HF's conclusion that Koshi is 3rd party not red based on this(?) opening:

Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 08:01 Koshi wrote:
I am not mafia.


Wasn't it disfos argument
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22011 Posts
June 14 2017 19:42 GMT
#671
On June 15 2017 04:38 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 04:27 darthfoley wrote:
On June 15 2017 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:57 darthfoley wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:
@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on.
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi


Care to elaborate?

Oh also ##vote ruxxar


Sure.

This post:

On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.

Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.

btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.


I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.

Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.

but as fefe pointed out:
On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi


Care to elaborate?

Oh also ##vote ruxxar


Sure.

This post:

On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.

Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.

btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.


I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.

Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.

I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect.


For the second part:

People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads.

Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read.

Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote.


who do you think is scum?

I'm kinda looking at you tbh.


Look at me as much as you like, but why?

I'm mostly just looking for someone kinda in the middle blending in.


I like your attitude.

I think EverSince falls into that category and whats aggravating is that she took what HF said about rayn at face value (which can happen when you skim and just copy other peoples opinions).
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22011 Posts
June 14 2017 20:18 GMT
#691
On June 15 2017 05:16 Koshi wrote:
And those mafia haven't said anything that triggered people because they are being careful.


naaaaaaames
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22011 Posts
June 14 2017 21:19 GMT
#739
Ruxxar isnt particularly playing to either his scum or his town meta (disclaimer: I skimmed a few games), he's just overall low effort and doesn't post often. Points about him:

- still thinks SLs cop check is real and took it at face value from the get go.
- His +1 of disfos post looked a bit rash.
- He pretty much skipped skynx pointing that out until others asked him to finally answer to it.


I'd be glad to discuss other options.
Currently I think

annul, Xata, Koshi (latest effort has been good), Damdred, FF, Grack (hedging on this), Vayne (for no other reason that he called eversinces post scummy and it seemed genuine), skynx, btdt

are town.

Rest is a giant pile of meh. Darthfoley dropped off from my trs cause his reads just seem so different from mine and I don't get the feeling that he's having fun posting.

Same for disformation cause he was all shiny and chrome at the start but then kind of kept beating around the bush with his posts even as the information progressed.

Eversince jumped up the scum charts quickly since she claimed to be caught up but I think she copied a lot of the thread instead of getting some own opinion. IE the part where she just repeats what HF said.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22011 Posts
June 14 2017 21:26 GMT
#744
On June 15 2017 06:24 Holyflare wrote:
Dunno why everyone hates ever, she's right that it's fucking awful koshi town reads me for a shit fight that in his opinion doesn't make sense. That's my scum meta 101.


Yeah why would you hate someone who parrots your misreps of rayn like gospel?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22011 Posts
June 14 2017 21:30 GMT
#745
On June 15 2017 06:26 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 06:13 Koshi wrote:
On June 15 2017 06:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
You really think that amount of tonedeafness is towny koshi?

It's not townie, like it doesn't buy him towncred. I just believe it comes from a townie rather than a mafia. I don't like to say it like this but I will: He looks more like a newb being happy and trying to play to game, than a veteran mafia player pretending to be clueless and gathering activity and steering the thread in the wrong direction.

Now I don't know how a newb mafia player would play, but I don't think I have seen them play like Ruxxar is playing here.



And I saw he already has some games under his belt but I just don't see it atm.


This is the second time you are dead on explaining my actions. Almost as if you are reading my mind.

I get a very eerie feeling from this, chills down my back.

Either you have too much information and know I am town, therefore you can be so confident in your town read of me.

Or you are just damn good at reading me.


Being townread is scary when you know you're being a scummy duck?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22011 Posts
June 14 2017 21:37 GMT
#752
On June 15 2017 03:23 Eversince wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 03:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
I forgot rayn was in this game lol what were the points against him?



He made 1 sentence in 1 post defending Koshi.
The issue is he said he didn't think HF/Disform's arguements made Koshi mafia. HF/Disform never claimed that but cased him as 3p.


This is the last reply you get from me HF cause you're not being productive.
She literally copied what you said about rayn when it's very debatable that it constituted a defense.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22011 Posts
June 14 2017 22:16 GMT
#764
On June 15 2017 07:14 Holyflare wrote:
Did vivax run away?


If you want me to engage with you, you have to post townreads cause I'm not getting pestered by you sticking up for eversince when you don't have a read on me.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22011 Posts
June 14 2017 23:48 GMT
#788
Xatalos isn't mafia though.
Might explain how I read him if this gets too much traction.
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