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On June 23 2017 06:13 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 06:09 Chezitwo wrote:On June 23 2017 06:07 Blazinghand wrote:
So what, is the premise that the last minute switches onto Grack from SL an attempt by scum to save SL? The problem with this logic is gracks behaviour which could be interpreted as mafia giving up. Which sucks a lot because otherwise the lynch might have been more contested in the end. hmm, on the other hand it's possible scum got onto the grack wagon in the middle as well. This would allow them to increase the wagon size and protect SL (operating on the SL-as-scum theory) without outing themselves hard by diving on the end to save SL. Alternatively, if we think that town ALSO had motivation to jump on Grack at the end, it's plausible that some scum also snuck in with town
mm looks like we can't get any useful info from that. let's talk about it for 30 more pages.
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On June 20 2017 21:07 ruXxar wrote:The grack case posted from earlier + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2017 21:39 Vivax wrote:
Since you seem bored.
Can you explain why you think Grack is mafia? Sure! Let's start with the obvious: 1) He hammers the town lynch. On June 16 2017 07:47 Grackaroni wrote:
##Vote: Annul At the point of this vote, the votes are 5 on annul, 5 on xatalos. Grackaroni pushes it over the edge with this vote to 6-5 in favor of annul. 2) He doesn't try to solve the game. How many scum reads did he have the whole game? Let's see: DF: On June 15 2017 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 03:57 darthfoley wrote:On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on. On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi Care to elaborate? Oh also ##vote ruxxar Sure. This post: On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too. btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game. You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense. And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. but as fefe pointed out: On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi Care to elaborate? Oh also ##vote ruxxar Sure. This post: On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too. btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game. You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense. And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect. For the second part: People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads. Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read. Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote. who do you think is scum? I'm kinda looking at you tbh. On June 15 2017 04:38 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 04:27 darthfoley wrote:On June 15 2017 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:On June 15 2017 03:57 darthfoley wrote:On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on. On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi Care to elaborate? Oh also ##vote ruxxar Sure. This post: On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too. btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game. You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense. And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. but as fefe pointed out: On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi Care to elaborate? Oh also ##vote ruxxar Sure. This post: On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too. btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game. You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense. And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect. For the second part: People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads. Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read. Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote. who do you think is scum? I'm kinda looking at you tbh. Look at me as much as you like, but why? I'm mostly just looking for someone kinda in the middle blending in. Disfo: On June 15 2017 07:36 Grackaroni wrote:
I like Rayn too though. And I'm ok with a Disfo lynch. HF: On June 16 2017 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Holy flare seems like a very good vote. He's being ridiculously over the top trying to push this SL lynch.
I haven't liked either of his Vivax/Koshi pushes. And he dragged the Vivax one out for the hell of it. On June 16 2017 07:10 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 06:58 annul wrote:
not at all. i am 1 switch away from majority. with the tiebreaker being what it is, i have no choice.
i WANT to vote for koshi/ruxxar since they are both mafia and either is a fine kill. but alas. Annul seems like an ok lynch to me. I dislike that he doesn't waver at all in his Koshi read after 10 pages of filter. It would be worthwhile to check if he tends to be very confident in his reads as town, because his are still based on things from the early game. I'm on my phone on a train, and the internet is not great. Palmar: On June 19 2017 03:36 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2017 03:36 Palmar wrote:
Ill figure out why we're all so happy together tomorrow Where've you been PALMAR? Scummy scum scum. "I'm ok with". "Seems like". There's 0 commitment to anything here. Just superficial non-sense without any substance. So obviously he followed up and actually tried to push his scum reads? Nope. Well, at least he voted for his scum reads? Nope. It's like a total non-commitment to any of his "reads" and just screams "I'm just trying to blend in". And thats the total effort he's put into scumhunting the whole game.
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On June 21 2017 01:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Im on p170 and cant continue rn. Ruxxar's case on Grack is actually very decent.
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oh yeah while we're talking about ruxxar. The most obtuse dude ever. Each time I imagine the possiblity of him being town I think about all these posts where he shows NO will to ever consider he could be wrong. So solid in his mind. It's not a town mind. And it's not even his meta. I had really good memories of playing my first games with ruxxar and he was not like that.
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On June 23 2017 06:22 Chezitwo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 06:20 Rels wrote:
oh yeah while we're talking about ruxxar. The most obtuse dude ever. Each time I imagine the possiblity of him being town I think about all these posts where he shows NO will to ever consider he could be wrong. So solid in his mind. It's not a town mind. And it's not even his meta. I had really good memories of playing my first games with ruxxar and he was not like that. Tell me about it. The thing is that people like that are town most of the time. It's very hard to pull off as mafia.
The thing is - sometimes it looks fake. Like when he was aking me about "what, you don't wasnt me to vote SL ?" He spent asking me this when it was SO obvious
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This whole sequence of posts:
On June 22 2017 08:38 ruXxar wrote:
Don't let the paranoia set in.
This game is basically won.
We lynch sicklucker and it's gg.
On June 22 2017 08:38 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 08:38 ruXxar wrote:
Don't let the paranoia set in.
This game is basically won.
We lynch sicklucker and it's gg. OH YEAH LETS CONTINUE AUTO LYNCHING DOWN A LIST
On June 22 2017 08:40 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 08:38 Rels wrote:On June 22 2017 08:38 ruXxar wrote:
Don't let the paranoia set in.
This game is basically won.
We lynch sicklucker and it's gg. OH YEAH LETS CONTINUE AUTO LYNCHING DOWN A LIST What are you complaining about, it's your scum read.
On June 22 2017 08:41 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 08:40 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 08:38 Rels wrote:On June 22 2017 08:38 ruXxar wrote:
Don't let the paranoia set in.
This game is basically won.
We lynch sicklucker and it's gg. OH YEAH LETS CONTINUE AUTO LYNCHING DOWN A LIST What are you complaining about, it's your scum read. mm IDK maybe what I'm complaining is explicitely stated in the post you just quoted
On June 22 2017 08:43 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 08:41 Rels wrote:On June 22 2017 08:40 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 08:38 Rels wrote:On June 22 2017 08:38 ruXxar wrote:
Don't let the paranoia set in.
This game is basically won.
We lynch sicklucker and it's gg. OH YEAH LETS CONTINUE AUTO LYNCHING DOWN A LIST What are you complaining about, it's your scum read. mm IDK maybe what I'm complaining is explicitely stated in the post you just quoted So you don't want to lynch sicklucker?
On June 22 2017 08:45 Rels wrote:
ruxxar is basically a troll
On June 22 2017 08:47 ruXxar wrote:So you don't want to lynch sicklucker?
On June 22 2017 08:49 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 08:47 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 08:45 Rels wrote:
ruxxar is basically a troll So you don't want to lynch sicklucker? Yes I want to lynch SL. One of my main reason thinking you're scum is that you have fixated read that don't chnage, and that you're following a list. That's not how you play mafia. But that's an easy game to play as scum. So I don't like you saying "just gotta lynch SL and it's GG", even if I want to murder SL. I also think you're playing dumb intentionally right now because this is like really, really, really obvious to figure out.
Not trying to understand into the meaning whatsoever.
But just after he's perfectly capable of understanding the meaning:
On June 22 2017 09:11 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 09:07 Rels wrote:
lol. Yes it's simple. You're scumreading me because you don't believe I couldn't know that info as town. Which is what I find really dumb. Cause dumbtells happen literally all the time.
Discussion closed. This what he's saying: He's saying you are MAFIA, and KNEW the rules. You PRETENDED to be TOWN(dumb tell) by PRETENDING to not know the rules. Sheesh. Get it over with you guys.
So it looks like a troll to me.
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Palmar is the most useless piece of shit ever. And that I want to lynch FOUR people over him speaks greatly about these players. Only Skynx I would lynch Palmar before if I had to decide right now.
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On June 23 2017 06:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Rels is it just your assumption that anyone who thinks that your action there was scummy, must automatically be scummy? is this literaly OMGUS?
First, what action are you talking about ?
Second, only rayn I scumread partly for scumreading me instead of talking to me. All my other scumread are not based on the fact that they're scumreading me.
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and it's amazing how I JUST MADE summary posts on everyone I have a problem with and you STILL are asking that question. When you could check the answer right there.
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which is ironically what you're scumreading me for
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On June 23 2017 06:35 Fecalfeast wrote:
So does that mean i should eat palmar?
don't think he's gonna be a problem much longer
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On June 23 2017 06:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 06:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Rels is it just your assumption that anyone who thinks that your action there was scummy, must automatically be scummy? is this literaly OMGUS? First, what action are you talking about ? Second, only rayn I scumread partly for scumreading me instead of talking to me. All my other scumread are not based on the fact that they're scumreading me.
what action are you talking about ?
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lol. So SL was parity cop ... he was probably rolecoped, no way scum shot him if they didn't know his role
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nice. So he crumbed his checks. It's pretty unlikely that they're both scum. Could be that marv was framed if scum has a framer, he was a good frame target IMO. But the most likely is that they're both town.
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On June 23 2017 20:09 disformation wrote:
@rels: catch up plx and say something very towny afterwards so i can put you on my town list.
I'm town.
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On June 23 2017 08:20 Blazinghand wrote:OK SO THEORY. AS we know, SickLucker crumbed his N1 and N2 checks here, which was SAME on FEFE and Chezitwo. However, pay attention to how he wrote it: Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 19:19 sicklucker wrote:On June 22 2017 18:05 disformation wrote:
so lets start again:
town:
fefe
chezitwo
if ppl scumread any of those two i would like to see reasons/cases I have a red check on both of them I don't know about you folks but I pretty much immediately ignored this. I assumed it was a troll or a joke, not a serious claim in any way. In fact, he doesn't claim they're both the same alignment, he claims they're both Red checks. Now imagine FeFe and Chez are townies. If FeFe and Chez are both Green, and Mafia sees SL, who to them is just some townie, claim he has redchecks on them, why would they shoot him? Who cares, he's some weirdo doing weird things. BUT THATS NOT WHAT HAPPENEd MAFIA SHOT HIM. Which means, when they saw SL say "i have redchecks on FeFe and Chez" they probably started freaking out because fefe and chez are actually mafia. Their Rb, Xat, is dead; so they can't just wait one more day for town to maybe lynch SL, cause then SL will die and leave us THREE checks (remember, they think he's a cop at this point). So they HAVE to shoot him right away even though he's like the top lynch target. Mafia has no reason to rolecheck SL, he was considered suspicious and likely to get lynched. But, if FeFe and Chez ARE IN FACT MAFIA, then Mafia had a REALLY good reason to pay attention to this off-handed statement and freak out and shoot SL! I think that SL crumbed so we'd know he got "same" on FeFe and Chez. But I ALSO think that the way he was shot could only really happen if FeFe and Chez are Mafia and Mafia freaked the fuck out this makes as much or more sense than the rolecop theory now one of FeFe or Chez could still be town here, as an un-self-aware miller; and mafia think "ok, chez/fefe is one of us, but fefe/chez is a miller" and this still confirms, in their minds, that SL is a REGULAR COP with two red checks they couldn't afford to let him live.
that makes no sense. First, SL is known for posting random stuff like that. Second, why would the scumteam think he was cop with 2 red checks, but didn't claim immediately ? You always claim for 2 red checks.
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On June 23 2017 09:12 VayneAuthority wrote:
so after some brief reactions, before this gets out of hand
I am town vig and shot SL. Mafia NK either got blocked by veteran or medic saved.
Im going to say its unlikely anyone currently posting is mafia as mafia is probably confused as fuck and waiting to see what happened.
so FF/Chez are probably confirmed town then.
My bad on the shot I guess, he was so close to getting lynched yesterday im surprised he never outright claimed when we likely have a doctor, oh well. Didnt feel like wasting another entire day on him
oh. Then we have a doc or a vet, who will confirm that story at some point. Nice.
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On June 23 2017 09:19 VayneAuthority wrote:
but basically I just wanted to confirm that yesterday's voting meant fuck all, it was town vs town. game is far from solved
if that was your mindset then why the fuck would you not shoot Xata N1 ????
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that makes no sense. D1 lynch was even more meaningful in your mindset, a lot depended on the counter wagon being town or scum. Why didn't you shoot him right there ?
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