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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 17 2017 23:10 GMT
#2521
Also btdt calling Eversince's post "very good" while simultaneously saying disformation is mafia and Xatalos is cop.

So many contradictions in 3 pages
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 23:11 GMT
#2522
also eversince posts about how bad xatas claim are are very on point.
i am obviously invested here, but at least look at those posts.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 17 2017 23:13 GMT
#2523
On June 18 2017 07:29 Eversince wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2017 19:28 Xatalos wrote:
Eh. I haven't been able to really keep up with the game so well up to this point, so I'll just say it: I'm the Cop and I decided to check disfo last night. He returned Mafia.

I was so close to claiming Cop several times last EOD, but managed to barely hold it in, because I wanted to use my power at least once. Luckily it paid off big time.

Obviously believes that the risk of being mis-lynched/shot N1 was worth it for the complete 'chance' to hit the lottery with Disfo mafia result. Ok, let's see what he does with it.

--
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2017 19:30 Xatalos wrote:
One Miller already flipped so I suppose there could be another. Still, the odds are heavily in the favor of disfo being scum.

The next post, "possibilty if Disfo's not scum though"?

Show nested quote +
On June 17 2017 19:42 Xatalos wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:35 ruXxar wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:33 Xatalos wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:31 Chezitwo wrote:
Sadly it could be more believable if you weren't the designated lynch, Mr. Xatalos.


Well, I'm already dead by N2 regardless. I'm content even if disfo gets lynched tomorrow - of course today would be preferable so scum would use a kill on me instead.


Heres the thing.

Lynching you and having you flip as either alignment is going to give us more information than disfo flipping as scum.



Does it really? If disfo flips scum (very likely), then I die N2, it seems like the optimal situation info-wise. Even if I'm lying, it'd be apparent soon enough so makes no difference for vote information. In any case it's not too bad even if I do get lynched now I guess.]/red]

"If Disfo flips scum" Again with this trying to distance from the fact that Disfo might actually not be scum. Second bit is even more damning. If you are a un-cced cop why the hell would you use previous arguement "i didn't want scum to shoot me N1" if you are just going to make let the town waste the mis-lynch on you (Who you should be screaming yourself confirmed town) STILL? "Oh, I didn't want mafia to shoot me, but if town mis-lynches me as long as they still lynch my check tomorrow it's ok." Like wtf? Instead we get 1 dead cop at lynch. Then we get two dead townies in N2. Instead of one dead scum at lynch.

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On June 17 2017 19:54 Xatalos wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:51 disformation wrote:
mh actually i dont think a framer would frame me.
or a cop would check me over like tw or one of the inactives.


Yea I'd think the only realistic option would be that you're a second unaware Miller if you're town. Usually there's 2 of them from what I've seen. The odds are low though, like 10% or less. So I'm content our best bet is to just lynch you.

More like 1:19 odds. So less than 5%. "I'm CONTENT"?? Why the hell are you not yelling from the mountain tops that this dude is scum yet? Why do you ignore the fact that you claim a vig would be better off shooting into the in-actives to hopefully hit mafia blind. But you just "had a hunch because Disfo voted you" so you didn't check one of the '?' marks yourself with your check. Harder to call in-actives mafia than someone half the thread has at somepoint thought about the possibilty of him being scum? Nah, let's ignore that though. You didn't mind if you died first? Would that have been the same if you missed mafia here? You would still be #1 lynch today.

Followed with this:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2017 19:56 Xatalos wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:53 disformation wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:51 Xatalos wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:42 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:40 Xatalos wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:35 disformation wrote:
got any crumbs?
why claim so early in the game and not try to case me to get more info/reactions before claiming midday?

technically i suppose it is not impossible for there to be a framer or some stuff


I suppose you could theoretically be another unaware Miller, or there could even be a Framer role. The odds aren't good at all though in either case.

I didn't make any posts on the purpose of claiming my check (or role), since there are always risks. I think my play has been very similar to how I played as Cop last time though (including the EOD D1 events) - can't remember the name now but I can dig it up. Didn't really crumb there either, but my checks were successes either way.

Weren't people calling for a vigshot on you? I did not read very closely yesterday but I seem to remember it this way. Seems more than just risky.


I suppose it wasn't impossible I might have been shot. It wasn't for sure there even was a Vig though, and no way in hell would scum shoot me, and the optimal Vig shot would have been more in the direction of the AFK lurkers than just killing for info, so I wasn't too worried. If I had claimed / crumbed noticeably in the night, the odds of being shot/roleblocked would have increased instead.

nonoonno you always shoot the close counterwagon to scum.
you cop check the inactives. hard to read. low volumes.


Not really. The lurky players are just a detriment at LYLO anyway, so it's better to kill them off immediately. Whereas somewhat active,[red] but not widely townread players are likely to live until LYLO but it's often hard to tell their alignment so checking is optimal.


So you know there is a possibilty of you dying N1, You are 100% dead N2. Better check the active guy we could figure out by lylo instead of the players you just said would need checking. Yep, that makes perfect sense.

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On June 17 2017 19:59 Xatalos wrote:
But other than that, it's quite unlikely we're both town I agree.

Disfo still not actually mafia in this guys head.

Show nested quote +
On June 17 2017 20:02 Xatalos wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:55 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:51 Xatalos wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:42 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:40 Xatalos wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:35 disformation wrote:
got any crumbs?
why claim so early in the game and not try to case me to get more info/reactions before claiming midday?

technically i suppose it is not impossible for there to be a framer or some stuff


I suppose you could theoretically be another unaware Miller, or there could even be a Framer role. The odds aren't good at all though in either case.

I didn't make any posts on the purpose of claiming my check (or role), since there are always risks. I think my play has been very similar to how I played as Cop last time though (including the EOD D1 events) - can't remember the name now but I can dig it up. Didn't really crumb there either, but my checks were successes either way.

Weren't people calling for a vigshot on you? I did not read very closely yesterday but I seem to remember it this way. Seems more than just risky.


I suppose it wasn't impossible I might have been shot. It wasn't for sure there even was a Vig though, and no way in hell would scum shoot me, and the optimal Vig shot would have been more in the direction of the AFK lurkers than just killing for info, so I wasn't too worried. If I had claimed / crumbed noticeably in the night, the odds of being shot/roleblocked would have increased instead.

So, are you going to solve the game today?

Because you put us in a very inconvenient position. Your claim is very suspicious.


Worst comes to worst, disfo is just a free lynch D3. I don't terribly mind that outcome since I'm dying soon no matter what.

Considering that, I think I'll have some time today to read the game so I can try to leave a legacy.


Again we get a dead cop, mafia get to shoot whoever instead of us getting to aim there shot. But no that's better than lynching mafia today forcing some of their kp onto you tonight. Screw it if there is a doctor somewhere you might actually even live! But "it's ok, town totally lynch me first" is the scummiest thing I've read in a while.

Show nested quote +
On June 17 2017 20:29 Xatalos wrote:
On June 17 2017 20:23 ruXxar wrote:
Meh, I think I'm going to pack it up and and get me some fresh air.
I think todays lynch is pretty much set in stone.

It's up to the mafia to try and turn the tides.


It is actually surprisingly fine with me. I'm so dead regardless that a small boost to victory odds by tonnes of effort doesn't seem hugely appealing. If that's what we decide, then so be it.

That being said, I'm in the unique position of knowing that disfo is already scum, so I'll most likely look at things and try to solve the scumteam from that perspective later tonight when I have more time again.



This guy doesn't even believe his own claim. Disfo's not mafia, and this crap claim is just trying to de-rail the arguement and push one more mis-lynch before he dies This is much is plainly obvious.

##vote: Xatalos


Quoting for rayn/other lazy people's sake
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 17 2017 23:13 GMT
#2524
Seems koshis reads are godlike this game.

We got xata scum and btdt scum.

Eversince actually redeemed herself a bit with that excellent post on xata.

What a productive evening ^^.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 17 2017 23:14 GMT
#2525
Idk if btdt is scum. SL is probably still gonna flip scum
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
June 17 2017 23:17 GMT
#2526
I stand by my reads post that I made at the start of the day. Pretty much the only thing that has changed is I'm happy Chez has poked around in thread and made me feel better for my choice on the marv slot. Also I think BTDT possibly looks like the last scummer. I'll need to filter him again tonight.
Life's too short to be black and white. Make the world tie-dye!
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 17 2017 23:18 GMT
#2527
I will reiterate that BTDT being obstinant and defending Xatalos is not scummy.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 17 2017 23:19 GMT
#2528
*obstinate
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 17 2017 23:20 GMT
#2529
On June 18 2017 08:18 Chezitwo wrote:
I will reiterate that BTDT being obstinant and defending Xatalos is not scummy.


That's how I feel currently
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
June 17 2017 23:21 GMT
#2530
On June 18 2017 08:18 Chezitwo wrote:
I will reiterate that BTDT being obstinant and defending Xatalos is not scummy.


Emphasis on "possibly" and "I'll need to filter him again".
If you check my filter you'll see he is one of my wildcards on my latest game-stance.
Life's too short to be black and white. Make the world tie-dye!
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 17 2017 23:35 GMT
#2531
On June 18 2017 04:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
Good thing we kill Xata

bye


On June 18 2017 06:00 beentheredonethat wrote:
Wait he claimed cop?


I found this sequence really hilarious.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 17 2017 23:43 GMT
#2532
Vote Count - Day 2


Xatalos (11): Fecalfeast, disformation, darthfoley, ruXxar, Blazinghand, Vivax, sicklucker, Chezitwo, Tumblewood, beentheredonethat, VayneAuthority, Eversince, ruXxar
Chezitwo (1): sicklucker, beentheredonethat, ruXxar
disformation (1): Xatalos, beentheredonethat, ruXxar
beentheredonethat (1): Palmar
sicklucker (0): ruXxar

Not voted (5): Rels, Damdred, raynpelikoneet, Grackaroni, Skynx,

Half the Sky is getting ready to throw Xatalos out of her whiskey bar.
Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00).


The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted.

The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 18 2017 00:17 GMT
#2533
So many votes with such little thread presence
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 18 2017 00:28 GMT
#2534
On June 18 2017 07:05 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 06:54 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:29 ruXxar wrote:
SL is like a 80% chance of being mafia.
While xatalos / disfo is like a 50/50.

I rather go for the safer option.

Lynching outside the 2 is 100 % the wrong play. Yes, it is sad that the day will be a little less productive but if you do not resolve this issue now then you are only postponing it.
Personally I have to say that this development is really convenient. I apparently caught a cold and it is annoyingly hard to concentrate on this (still not caught up). So everything that makes this day easier or gives me an excuse not to care that much is very welcome.


I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna go for a 50/50 when I know that SL is very likely scum and is gonna be a problem.
Hes almost certainly the scum leader, instructing them on what to do.
Just look how he setup the wagon on annul last cycle.

If we take out the scum leader, the rest are easy pickings.


im not tho. your asking for a read list when i posted one 12 hours before and didnt even read the thread. relax bro your way too hyperactive lynch the obv scum and then I will play
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 18 2017 00:31 GMT
#2535
also rels skynx or ever should be the next lynch after xata. pro tip the guy who leads the lynch is alot less mafia then the guy who joins it.

I know I lead a lynch over xata who is mafia. but it was not like it was between xata and that guy when i started that push. kosh and other people had more votes then xata when I started my push. so the logic that i saved xata and therefor am mafia is not valid.

Or is there other reasons you think I am mafia?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 18 2017 00:34 GMT
#2536
On June 18 2017 07:37 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:35 disformation wrote:
i am not discrediting you.
i am telling you to use your head and look at xata and decide if you believe him to be cop.

I don't believe for a second that he's cop

but I'm not lynching a claim over a red check. There's always the possibility that it's just bad town.


but if hes not a cop then its not a red check...
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 18 2017 00:36 GMT
#2537
man I just caught up on the thread and I regret it. some really bad stuff guys
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 18 2017 00:40 GMT
#2538
On June 18 2017 09:36 sicklucker wrote:
man I just caught up on the thread and I regret it. some really bad stuff guys


Feelsbadman
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 18 2017 00:41 GMT
#2539
and I still cant believe mafia killed hf last night. thanks for that
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 18 2017 00:42 GMT
#2540
ruxxar while your here why do you acualy think im mafia. in your own words?
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