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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 24 2017 12:18 GMT
#598
Good discussion folks, fantastic.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 24 2017 15:24 GMT
#603
On February 24 2017 23:09 Damdred wrote:
And I think rayn v palmar is town ehh


Just so you know.

If you don't call one of us mafia, I'm going to support lynching you.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 24 2017 16:43 GMT
#609
we're not both town damdred
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 25 2017 08:26 GMT
#703
On February 25 2017 10:30 iamperfection wrote:
Night 2


raynpelikoneet got powerbomed through a table

[image loading]


he was a Mafia Goon

you have 24 hours to get actions in


Nice one team
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 25 2017 14:27 GMT
#709
I will tryhard tomorrow
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 27 2017 08:47 GMT
#713


It's day 3 bro
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 27 2017 08:51 GMT
#714
Ok so, 4 filters to read, these are my pre-biases:

Vivax is not mafia because he noted the same things that made me think rayn is mafia. I know he didn't actually end up being one, but it kind of makes me think that he is thinking like a townie. I'll point our later exactly what post this is.

Damdred is meh because I haven't seen anything particularly scummy, but also feels like he should be doing more.

FF is meh->scummy because he's been sort of ever present but not really done anything that feels like it has any value in this game.

BM is scummy because his entire play has revolved about not being here. BM is usually loud and opinionated but barely exists in this game.

But, these may all change rather rapidly as I read throughout the day.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 27 2017 09:00 GMT
#715
On February 21 2017 01:28 Vivax wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/512849-star-wars-rogue-1-hype-mafia?page=8

Palmar town:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 29 2016 06:07 Rels wrote:
yo


On August 29 2016 06:25 Palmar wrote:
1st page analysis suggests Rels is 100% mafia.



Palmar here:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 20 2017 12:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
hi


On February 21 2017 00:37 Palmar wrote:
I rolled town so I don't have to do anything


I don't expect Palmar to behave exactly the same, but at least similarly to that game. Why so lazy?


This is the reason I suspected Vivax on day 1. But in hindsight it may have just been me being annoyed with something awful like this. Vivax and everyone else knows I've played like 100 games on here and comparing two random opening statements is just.... meh. I've also started games by writing speeches and by being afk for half the day. It's irrelevant.

On February 22 2017 01:04 Vivax wrote:
As it stands now, I'll lynch Malongo or SL.
Maybe Palmar, although my main motivation is that he must not sleep in peace tonight if he wants to live. Vivax is cruel


More hindsight, this joke/bully post looks pretty town from Vivax.

On February 24 2017 03:07 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2017 00:49 Palmar wrote:
well think about it.

Vivax is a dumbass. That's not gonna change regardless of his alignment, thus him being a dumbass is not relevant to his alignment. He can't just magically become smart when he's mafia or town.


???

Did I do anything to you to talk about me like that? Or are you just acting like an asshole by default?

Back on topic:

I don't see a cop claim, I see Palmar saying he found a picture of rayn near the scene of the crime, followed by rayn thinking he's a cop, followed by Palmar saying

Show nested quote +
On February 23 2017 20:12 Palmar wrote:
yes, I am


Show nested quote +
On February 23 2017 20:13 Palmar wrote:
well I wasn't, but then you gave me the idea, so I am.


followed by rayn starting a counter attack on Palmar.

And to me, it looks like rayn is overreacting to the prospect of having been copped when I'm not sure what I should believe Palmar actually is.


this is a) the reason I lynched rayn yesterday, and b) something I completely agreed with.

My picture was never intended to be a cop claim, it was just some random bullshit to troll rayn. However his blatant overreaction to possibly having been copped, along with how open he seemed to the idea of having been copped and ready to fight it (which feels unusual for a townie) made me want to lynch rayn.

I was already annoyed at rayn and thought he was mafia, because he at some point wrote a stupid rant on how I play which seems really excessive for a random troll on day 1. I basically felt like rayn was obsessed with me and gave me way too much value, so I decided that I wanted to kill him.

But even if my reasoning led me to the wrong conclusion, I don't think it's an invalid observation to make. The observation is good (rayn is overreacting), but the conclusion it led to (rayn is scum) is bad. I, and Vivax, should have drawn the conclusion that rayn is a dumbass. Which is far more reasonable.

I may be completely wrong, it's usually a terrible idea to ignore my day 1 gut calls, but who knows. I'm going to try to do this anyway.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 27 2017 09:11 GMT
#716
On February 22 2017 09:58 Bill Murray wrote:
am i still alive? ive had the flu


On February 22 2017 10:00 Bill Murray wrote:
i voted before i read my role PM

im town, thank god. ill read the thread later.

is deadline right now?


I hate these two posts from BM. First off, the "is it deadline now?" thing isn't necessarily scummy, but it's just dumb. It's like a way of posting about nothing. It's literally faster to check the OP.

Second, and more importantly. He posts an excuse "I've had the flu", and then posts a non-sensical statement about him not caring "i voted before i read my role PM"

The reason these two are contradictory is that if he is such a cool/tough guy that he doesn't read his role pm (*cough* bullshit *cough*) why does he feel the need to excuse his absence?

On February 22 2017 10:04 Bill Murray wrote:
it's kind of idiotic that there are even votes on me at all; i havent been posting lmfao

how can you build a case on someone who isnt here?

and my inactivity? same as last game. what was i in last game? town who hammered scum on lylo. idk why something always happens right before im about to play but hell im here now and im ready to catch some scum (Y) :D


This thing here is also terrible. Are you really fucking surprised that people want to kill the afk guy? It's only happened in literally every single fucking game in the history of TL Mafia. There is always a discussion about going for an afk kill. This feels like an overreaction.

On February 24 2017 12:10 Bill Murray wrote:
lol Rayn literally instructed town cop "you'll get another check"
how ... wow.... i mean ... no.
cop is 1-shot. the only fine-print that goes along with it is relative to modkills.
see, post 4, obscure rule 4, subsection A
4. If the cops target is removed by modkill and the player did not change his action he would be refunded his target


And for someone who needed to ask when the deadline is, calling rayn out for not knowing the rules is very much throwing stones from glass houses.

This is 100% bullshit.

I'm still not absolutely certain, his little burst of activity in day 2 where he quoted some posts and called FF and Vivax town, and damdred mafia, at least looked like an effort to do something but I have no idea if it's relevant or not.

Also I'm not sure what to think of this post

On February 25 2017 16:03 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2017 11:06 Malongo wrote:
On February 25 2017 11:04 Damdred wrote:
Honestly bm+vivax might make a lot of sense but I need to look at things tonight tommorow

I fail to see why it can`t be Palmar/someone else.

with rayn being VT palmar (like ive known in the back of my mind) has to be mafia


Of course it's complete bullshit, he's just lying to make himself look good. If he "knows in the back of his mind" that I'm mafia, then why not just call me out earlier? Do something about it?

Then again, it's very much in BM territory to lie to make himself look good because he has ego issues. So it doesn't necessarily make him mafia.

However he still is in the bottom half, before I read the two difficult filters.

Also, looking at the vote count from last night, every single person still alive voted for town on day 2. (rayn and malongo have both flipped town).
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 27 2017 09:13 GMT
#717
On February 25 2017 10:56 Malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2017 10:53 Damdred wrote:
On February 25 2017 10:42 Malongo wrote:
Damdred why did you refuse to lynch FF?


Because it was impossible, it was lynch rayn or let you v lynched as vivax leaves after voting rayn.

Which is interesting.


The only interesting thing about this game is why FF and BM aren`t dead. If it turns out to be Palmar/Vivax I say gg cause we played like morons.


The chances that this guy nailed it are actually relatively high.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 27 2017 09:16 GMT
#718
I know skimming dead townie filters is a sketchy endeavour at best, but koshi/malongo filters look like they at least were looking at BM.

Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 27 2017 09:18 GMT
#719
The good news is that I think I'll just commit to my Vivax townread. Doing so has several upsides.

a) I do townread vivax.
b) he might be playing us, but then I'll just blame rayn for being bad.
c) if he is town, it's nice to be allied with a player who can actually be good.

So I think I'll commit to that. I'm literally conceding the game right here if Vivax is mafia. He just outplayed us if he is.

So, assuming I'm not wrong on that, it leaves me with 66% chance of hitting mafia.

damdred and FF I need you in here asap making the case why you're town.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 27 2017 09:19 GMT
#720
break time, will read ff and damdred later, along with perhaps some other kind of reading.

I very, very much want feedback on BM from the rest of yall. I don't really care about feedback on Vivax because I think I've just rolled the dice on that one.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 27 2017 10:56 GMT
#721
Nice thoughts Palmar
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 27 2017 13:11 GMT
#724
[quote=On February 24 2017 14:17 Fecalfeast wrote
BM is town, Damdred is scum.
Malongo why are you demotivated?[/quote]

This is a pretty ballsy post to write if the team is FF/BM which I think is the most likely conclusion right now.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 27 2017 13:11 GMT
#725
jesus fuck

Well, the post you quoted anyway
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 27 2017 13:14 GMT
#726
And I wouldn't put too much stock into your last paragraph vivax. Patient scum might bus here.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 27 2017 13:15 GMT
#727
like it's an okay observation, but it's at best a very minor point.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 27 2017 13:16 GMT
#728
Also damdred's change in stance regarding FF is a good point and makes me want to lynch him more.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 27 2017 14:54 GMT
#731
Thing is, while persistent, DD knows no one is going to listen to him in a game with this many egos unless he becomes assertive, which he never did.

Even then, it doesn't really change my current opinion which is to just lynch BM. It's only good news if you think FF+Damdred is less likely because if we can somehow eliminate that possibility, we essentially confirm BM mafia (unless you are, but I prefer not to think about that. Also, you get 100% pass or actually showing up today).

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