It's a nice writeup. Nothing you would not be capable of as mafia, though. You get an advance of trust for being the first to put in some work today though.

I'm trying to picture the different scenario/teams, careful wall of text ahead:

The VCA from last day:

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On February 24 2017 11:06 iamperfection wrote:

Vote Count - Day 2

Palmar(1): raynpelikoneet
raynpelikoneet(1): Palmar

Not Voting: (5) Malongo, Damdred, Bill Murray, FecalFeast, Vivax, ,

It looks like Palmar will be Power Bombed at the moment.

if you see a mistake please notify us

Day 1 ends in at 01:30 GMT (+00:00).

At this stage, I'm going to assume that mafia didn't vote yet. The votes then turned into x1 FF from Malongo and x2 Malongo from FF and BM. Me and Damdred then "hammered" Rayn.

The votes on Malongo were selfish votes, as in, BM and FF didn't really pile up on rayn here, and their reasons were both pretty blatantly shit.

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On February 25 2017 05:27 Fecalfeast wrote:
Ok

##unvote
##vote malongo

On February 25 2017 06:20 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm voting malongo because he insulted me one too many times ... and you don't insult a man on his birthday

So the next logical thing to do is to go and check whether they actually had any reason not to vote for rayn here.

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On February 24 2017 01:46 Fecalfeast wrote:

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I don't know anything really. If I were to assume one of you is scum, I would assume palmar. Partnered with palmar i could see BM based on his eod last second vote into total mia for 30 hours.

Yeah palmar BM makes sense to me right now.

Incase t isn't clear yet i am phone posting at work again

On February 24 2017 14:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
BM is town, Damdred is scum.
Malongo why are you demotivated?

On February 25 2017 05:27 Fecalfeast wrote:
Ok

##unvote
##vote malongo

On February 25 2017 06:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
Actually that's a decent point vivax. Rayn was convinced it was a cop claim before the claim happened...

I will look next break busy work day

If we go through the teams here while FF was changing reads: It's [Palmar + BM] to [Palmar + Damdred] to [??? + Malongo] to [rayn + Malongo] or something. To me the ??? raises some red flags as it shows that FF wasn't coherent with his reads here. His omgus vote on Malongo was, simply put, not in line with who he thought was the mafia team at the time. And being attacked by Malongo made him throw away all his reasons for scumreading Palmar and Damdred.

Then BM:

On February 24 2017 12:58 Bill Murray wrote:
heres where my reads are in this game
Town: BM, FF, Vivax, Malongo
Null: Rayn, Palmar
Scum: Damdred,

If Palmar steps up and actually claims cop, I'll put him in the town pile, which would move Rayn down to mafia, in all likelihood. If Palmar admits he was fakeclaiming, that might work towards the same end. I just want some sort of resolution from all of the shenanigans he has been pulling. None of this Fake News Alternative Facts Bullshit.

He expressed paranoia about Palmar being scum earlier, but didn't put him down as scum here. Logically, he is thinking that one of rayn or Palmar must be scum. The problem here appears simpler than in the case of FF: He spitevotes Malongo for feeling insulted.

And the point of this entire writeup is: I think both of them have shown balls, in a way. Cause they went against the sentiment when presented with a pure Palmar vs rayn situation. And when they went against sentiment, they didn't look afraid to look bad for voting one of the towniest people at the time. This is actually a point for them being town, and their reads being floppy in the process isn't something far off their town meta if I'm not mistaken.

It could also have been strategic shitposting though. As both of them voting rayn would have guaranteed to the others that at least 1 mafia was on him, and possibly changed the votes to one of them, especially FF who was under flak from Damdred and Malongo.

I think that FF and BM are almost always scum together here, which would be #team 1 . Or Damdred + either one of them. One of the reasons I see FF + Damdred as a possibility is the read change here which I would like to see explained from him here:

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On February 25 2017 10:09 Damdred wrote:
No I said I kinda wanted to lynch rayn today. I might be willing to do ff as well.

Like I think rayn+ff makes sense.

But I don't want mal lynched so we need to move together now and mal needs to come with us

On February 25 2017 10:19 Damdred wrote:
Well we have 10-12 minutes to figure out a good lynch then.

Ff is possible but idk.

Rayn hasn't really cared to much today when mafia palmar had him in his sites (to him)

Are you 100% sold on vivax being town mal?

On February 25 2017 11:00 Damdred wrote:
Honestly it's probably vivax plus one.

Like I understand you are funneled on ff. Bm well I can understand arguments about his usefulness, and his two deal votes.

But today we were extremely limited due to how votes were. So yeah, just explain in detail why ff is 100% scum to me besides he has crap reasons for voting you. Or include them to I just want to see you make a case on him.

The other option is Palmar + Damdred mafia, # team 2. There seems to be a fair amount of distance between the two as so far in this game Damdred worked his own corners for the most part and put away Palmar vs rayn as TvT, initially.
But for #team 2 I might want to do another revisit as this was mostly my impression.

I also think that today, unless one scum is above suspicion which for me at least isn't be the case as I don't have any firm townread at the moment, the mafia are most likely to have one of them on their suggested team while preferencing the other slightly more.

Vivax

22427 Posts

February 27 2017 12:33 GMT

#723

So I'm mostly stuck deciding who is more likely mafia with Damdred in the event that Damdred is mafia, as that will be the guy I decide to lynch as he's going to be more likely to be mafia, if I go for a Palmar town scenario.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

February 27 2017 13:11 GMT

#724

[quote=On February 24 2017 14:17 Fecalfeast wrote

BM is town, Damdred is scum.
Malongo why are you demotivated?[/quote]

This is a pretty ballsy post to write if the team is FF/BM which I think is the most likely conclusion right now.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

February 27 2017 13:11 GMT

#725

jesus fuck

Well, the post you quoted anyway

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

February 27 2017 13:14 GMT

#726

And I wouldn't put too much stock into your last paragraph vivax. Patient scum might bus here.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

February 27 2017 13:15 GMT

#727

like it's an okay observation, but it's at best a very minor point.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

February 27 2017 13:16 GMT

#728

Also damdred's change in stance regarding FF is a good point and makes me want to lynch him more.

Vivax

22427 Posts

February 27 2017 13:33 GMT

#729

Damdred has been pretty persistent about lynching FF though, why he would suddenly decide to stop being persistent about it? It must have meant that he only saw a rayn + FF world at that point and the rayn flip somehow made him think FF was town. It just seems pointless to bus FF all game long and then turn around at the point in which bussing is more powerful imo.

Vivax

22427 Posts

February 27 2017 13:36 GMT

#730

It makes FF + Damdred a less likely combination in my eyes, anyhow. Still would like to see that change of mind from Damdred explained as I don't see the motivation

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

February 27 2017 14:54 GMT

#731

Thing is, while persistent, DD knows no one is going to listen to him in a game with this many egos unless he becomes assertive, which he never did.

Even then, it doesn't really change my current opinion which is to just lynch BM. It's only good news if you think FF+Damdred is less likely because if we can somehow eliminate that possibility, we essentially confirm BM mafia (unless you are, but I prefer not to think about that. Also, you get 100% pass or actually showing up today).

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

February 27 2017 14:55 GMT

#732

The point is, previously I wanted to lynch BM and FF, with your point about Damdred's flip on FF it simply makes me want to lynch damdred equally much as ff. I still think the best play is to lynch BM.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

February 27 2017 14:56 GMT

#733

Like there are meta reasons to kill BM too. I just *feel* like he should be mafia this game. I can't really explain why, but he just sounds like he might be mafia.

I'm still a tiny bit undecided but for now my vote is staying on him. I started damdred's filter but got interrupted by work.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

February 27 2017 16:08 GMT

#734

This is the saddest day.

I wish rayn wasn't so bad at mafia, maybe we would've had a better shot.

Fecalfeast

Canada11355 Posts

February 27 2017 17:31 GMT

#735

Fuck it's so hard to give a shit about a lost game when you're scumread by people you think are town...

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

February 27 2017 17:34 GMT

#736

On February 28 2017 02:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
Fuck it's so hard to give a shit about a lost game when you're scumread by people you think are town...

What the fuck are you talking about???

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

February 27 2017 17:37 GMT

#737

Like that post makes me want to lynch the fuck out of ff

Fecalfeast

Canada11355 Posts

February 27 2017 17:39 GMT

#738

BM is almost certainly scum I agree but damdred/BM seems too easy. If i had to pick between palmar and vivax as scum it'd be palmar for the trolling/roleplaying most of the game. The fake copclaim but not really a copclaim caused too much confusion last day which resulted in another mislynch.

However
I kinda assumed the malongo kill was to frame me but nobody has hard pushed me today so occams razor would suggest that the people who would use the malongo kill against me are not present and that means BM+damdred is the mafia team